jkisha wrote:Justify and make all of the excuses you want to make. The fact still remains. Bullying is bullying and you are all being eplaya bullies.
Give me a break JK. Telling someone to get their shit together about Internet self-reliance and some image macro is not bullying. Bullying is a systematic
attempt to demean and inflict harm on someone -- not just hurt feelings from an incident or two (in that case DEAL WITH IT). This is not bullying. I'm not following Kairielise around picking on her repeatedly in other threads -- or even in this one for that matter.
In fact, that FeedTheNoob picture was really directed at the stupid-question-answering-feeders
than the "noob". The OP simply got caught up in that one. Hell, I'd prefer that the word "noob" weren't even in that image macro, but that's the nicest looking on I could find on Google Images.
I think you're also setting the bar really low for adults
on this forum. We don't need overprotective bleeding hearts leaping to the defense of every last person who doesn't get accommodated or maybe received some negative response. That's almost trollery in itself. People can handle themselves, and the OP and this thread has already proven so. So back off and let people fight their own battles.
And don't even make a ridiculous comparison to that child abuse story. It only serves to dilute your position in the matter and flippantly associate this thread's benign snark with child abuse.
Anyway, I don't think my reaction, or FFs, was unwarranted. Imagine a similar situation where someone asks some question explicitly answered in the guide like "how much water to bring?" WTF dude? It's in the FUCKING GUIDE. GET WITH IT. Show some self-reliance.
would be the response. Oh dear, poor Johnny didn't get his question directly answered and even got a not-so-nice response in return. If this guy goes crying to his mom, maybe he just isn't the kind of person who should be attending the event in the first place.
Fortunately, this was not the case here; however, the response establishes, among other things, that someone should at least go through the effort of trying to find the answer before asking it -- and possibly even explain what the person did
do up to that point. Framing of the question is important: a qualified question
will go a long way to avoiding the "stupid" question assumption. It's like FF's analogy of helping out someone injured on the bike, vs. someone who can't be bothered to bring their own gear. It's not the request itself, but also the context
of the request. In his example, he's also working on actual knowledge of the person's plight, and even if not: if someone were to ask him for a ride, just for a ride, he might be open to that.
For questions, however, there's nothing really to go on other than the question itself, and if it's a poorly frame and simple-fact-answer question, expect that your asking will be assumed to be out of laziness. We get a lot of those, and I think it's very valid to assume "the worst" about certain questions. The interesting thing was that Kairielise later followed up these LMFG and feed-the-noob posts with a paragraph of all the legwork she went through prior to asking the question. Had that that been established prior to the original question, it would not have evoked my one-liner JFGI, and later feed-the-noob picture.
So perhaps next time if the answer hasn't been found on Google already, the electricity this thread used will at least encourage better, qualified questions, e.g. "I went through X effort, but had no luck understanding/finding Y, please help me" rather than just "what is Y?"
In the end, I got all I wanted: Kairielise either went through the process of finding the solution or just explained in detail what she did (Mission Accomplished), a relatively cordial discussion took place on the matters, and Kairielise got exposed to ePlaya snark, survived, and slung some back!