trilobyte wrote:Yes, wanting to limit or exclude other people from an event that you've only just started becoming involved with is hypocritical
It would be hypocritical if I were looking to exclude virgins. I drew the distinction in my opening post. There are a lot of flaws with my original line of thinking, but hypocrisy wasn't one of them. I'm looking strictly at behavior, which I had correlated strongly to time spent on the playa. This may or may not be the case, but I concede that the risk of penalizing innocents (even symbolically) and making them feel less welcome as the result of a blanket policy would be wrong.
trilobyte wrote:Again, speaking personally, I don't feel that the way to enlighten or improve others is to exclude them or make them feel unwanted or less desirable or less welcome. It's a shame to see when peoples' solution to a behavior problem isn't to try and help change and improve the behavior, but to look for ways to limit or exclude other groups.
Actually, it was EXACTLY that. I didn't (and still don't) think a surcharge would actually exclude
anyone from attending. Burning Man is an extremely expensive proposition with the true cost being several times the ticket price. The surcharge would be a drop in the bucket.
The charge was intended to make people either come earlier, thus spending more time planning and being part of the community for a longer period of time, or hopefully reflect on what it means to join the community late if they end up paying the small fee. If there's a tourism tax, hopefully people will give some thought to the fact that anti-social tourism is frowned upon.
Yes, radical inclusion is important, but the people I was most put off by were the people who had no interest in including others. Plus, participation and immediacy are more important principles in my book. But yes, making some of the many truly wonderful late arrivals feel less welcome would be unfortunate, if they didn't understand what the surcharge was for and why it wasn't really directed at them. That's why I abandoned my original stance.
trilobyte wrote: Positive reinforcement and encouragement has worked well for the event so far (look at the progression of MOOP maps over the last 7 years), if anything I'd say we need more of it, not less.
No argument there. Do you have any ideas to float? It will probably be awhile before I work up the courage to suggest anything else.
trilobyte wrote:Black Rock City is a pretty big place. If the place you're at on Friday or Saturday night (or any night of the week, for that matter) is too busy or crowded or just doesn't have the right vibe for you... keep moving. The city is ridiculously diverse, and for every camp whose idea of a party is hundreds or thousands of people, there are a hundred camps whose idea of a party is much smaller.
It had absolutely nothing to do with the size of the event or the density of the crowds. The city was PACKED Wednesday night and that was quite probably the best night of my life. The difference is the overall attitudes and openness of the people I was surrounded by, and it wasn't something that could easily be escaped. The shift was pervasive. If it wasn't city wide, the untouched pockets were hard to find. The bottom line, though, is that I'd rather be packed shoulder to shoulder with a group of friendly, social people than have twice the space in a group of people who are closed off, selfish, or inconsiderate.
One final word, your being a site admin does give your personal opinion weight. People respect you; some because they have to, some because you've earned it, and some because it's in their nature. The bottom line is your words have impact. Beyond that, your behavior serves as an example to others. Please be mindful of that.