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Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:00 pm

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Re: Dogon

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:03 pm

In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. According to their traditions, the star Sirius has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye. This companion star has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy. It also rotates on its axis.
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Re: Dogon

Postby tatonka » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:03 pm

its wierd the thing on there head is almost same as a headress navaho use.
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Re: Dogon

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:04 pm

The Dog Days originally were the days when Sirius rose just before or at the same time as sunrise (heliacal rising), which is no longer true, owing to precession of the equinoxes. The Romans sacrificed a brown dog at the beginning of the Dog Days to appease the rage of Sirius, believing that the star was the cause of the hot, sultry weather.

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Re: Dogon

Postby tatonka » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:05 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. According to their traditions, the star Sirius has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye. This companion star has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy. It also rotates on its axis.


they also have a cave with a drawing of the solar system very old and accurate.
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Re: Dogon

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:09 pm

tatonka wrote:its wierd the thing on there head is almost same as a headress navaho use.

Yeah, you're rite. I hadn't noticed that\. Plenty of twists with these doggone guys.
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Re: Dogon

Postby PhoenixFemmeFatale » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:49 pm

I have nothing to add other than my first (albeit random) thought : wait for it.....


Sometimes you feel like a nut.... Sometimes you don't! :lol:

No seriously- very interesting! The headdress looks like an inverted person.
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Re: Dogon

Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:52 am

DOGON spelled Backwards is NO GOD.



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Re: Dogon

Postby Ugly Dougly » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:19 am

Oh, you know it gets weirder.


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Re: Dogon

Postby Ugly Dougly » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:27 am

tatonka wrote:its wierd the thing on there head is almost same as a headress navaho use.


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Re: Dogon

Postby tatonka » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:43 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
tatonka wrote:its wierd the thing on there head is almost same as a headress navaho use.


Yep, here ya go:
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yep very similar, but have seen other just like it. This one is a Apache dancer .

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Re: Dogon

Postby Finneganistan » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

The original cargo cult. The Dogon believed that fish people came down from the sky and lived near them, in a lake. They believed that these Nommos gave them the gift of writing and culture.
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Re: Dogon

Postby trilobyte » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:00 pm

Original? It happened in ancient Sumer thousands of years earlier...
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Re: Dogon

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:12 pm

I'm not telling anyone what the fish people did where. Or when.
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Re: Dogon

Postby Finneganistan » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:44 pm

trilobyte wrote:Original? It happened in ancient Sumer thousands of years earlier...


I'd love to see a timeline comparing the two!
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Re: Dogon

Postby trilobyte » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:28 am

From what I can gather, they didn't pick up writing until sometime between the 13th and 15th centuries AD.

Ancient Sumerian culture has its roots going back as far as 7000 BCE, but it's all pretty muddy until the 5th millenia BCE. Then they picked up the first written version of a spoken language, civilization (building cities), brewing of beer, system of accounting (probably to keep track of the beer), agriculture and farming, the building of temples/ziggurats all in a relatively short period of time. They recorded that they were given these gifts not by gods, but by beings they called the Anunnaki who came down from the heavens and lived among them. By all accounts they appear to have taken a powder sometime towards the end of the Uruk period (3100-2900BCE), from then on they're only spoken of as legend (in stuff like the Epic Of Gilgamesh) or in past tense.

They're coming back though, we're sure of it :mrgreen:
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Re: Dogon

Postby FIGJAM » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:28 am

Did you get an RSVP?
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Re: Dogon

Postby ygmir » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:34 am

........."Sumer time,and the livin' is easy"....................
trilobyte wrote:From what I can gather, they didn't pick up writing until sometime between the 13th and 15th centuries AD.

Ancient Sumerian culture has its roots going back as far as 7000 BCE, but it's all pretty muddy until the 5th millenia BCE. Then they picked up the first written version of a spoken language, civilization (building cities), brewing of beer, system of accounting (probably to keep track of the beer), agriculture and farming, the building of temples/ziggurats all in a relatively short period of time. They recorded that they were given these gifts not by gods, but by beings they called the Anunnaki who came down from the heavens and lived among them. By all accounts they appear to have taken a powder sometime towards the end of the Uruk period (3100-2900BCE), from then on they're only spoken of as legend (in stuff like the Epic Of Gilgamesh) or in past tense.

They're coming back though, we're sure of it :mrgreen:
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Re: Dogon

Postby Dr. Pyro » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:44 am

trilobyte wrote: Ancient Sumerian culture has its roots going back as far as 7000 BCE

That's impossible. According to Randall Terry, the Rev. Dobsen, and the Westboro Baptist Church, the earth is only about 6100 years old. So clearly your information is wrong.
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Re: Dogon

Postby Finneganistan » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:48 am

trilobyte wrote:From what I can gather, they didn't pick up writing until sometime between the 13th and 15th centuries AD.

Ancient Sumerian culture has its roots going back as far as 7000 BCE, but it's all pretty muddy until the 5th millenia BCE. Then they picked up the first written version of a spoken language, civilization (building cities), brewing of beer, system of accounting (probably to keep track of the beer), agriculture and farming, the building of temples/ziggurats all in a relatively short period of time. They recorded that they were given these gifts not by gods, but by beings they called the Anunnaki who came down from the heavens and lived among them. By all accounts they appear to have taken a powder sometime towards the end of the Uruk period (3100-2900BCE), from then on they're only spoken of as legend (in stuff like the Epic Of Gilgamesh) or in past tense.

They're coming back though, we're sure of it :mrgreen:



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"They are believed to be of Egyptian descent. After living in Libya for a time, they settled in Mali, West Africa, bringing with them astronomy legends dating from before 3200 BCE.

"As Temple read Graiule's material on the Dogon, he found that their mythology traced their origins back to the Nommo, the human-fish creatures from their creation myths. Temple related these creatures to Oannes of Sumerian mythology who was also a half-fish, half-human creature who brought civilization to an ancient people. Further, Temple found links with Egyptian and Greek mythology. He wrote a book about his interpretation of the Dogon beliefs, called The Sirius Mystery, which was published in the 1970s. In the book, Temple contends that the Nommo were extraterrestrials who came to Earth from a planet in the Sirius system. They visited the Dogon, the Babylonians, and possibly the Egyptians, and the astronomical knowledge of the Dogon came from this contact."
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Re: Dogon

Postby trilobyte » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:21 am

Even at 3200BCE (or just before), that's thousands of years after the Sumerians (who predate the Egyptians and Babylonians too).

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Don't get me wrong, the Dogon people and their culture and history are both fascinating and remarkable. It's just not the earliest case of what appears to be an interstellar cargo cult.
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Re: Dogon

Postby trilobyte » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:22 am

FIGJAM wrote:Did you get an RSVP?

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Re: Dogon

Postby Finneganistan » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:18 pm

trilobyte wrote:Even at 3200BCE (or just before), that's thousands of years after the Sumerians (who predate the Egyptians and Babylonians too).

[edited to add]
Don't get me wrong, the Dogon people and their culture and history are both fascinating and remarkable. It's just not the earliest case of what appears to be an interstellar cargo cult.


Yeah, it looks like the fish people had been busy:

"Temple related these creatures to Oannes of Sumerian mythology who was also a half-fish, half-human creature who brought civilization to an ancient people." Now I need to find a Meso-American example.
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Re: Dogon

Postby trilobyte » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:40 pm

It's fascinating stuff, if you care to do the research. Fish people (aka reptilian) connections occur in a number of places, and various incarnations of the Anunnaki (Sumerian benefactors) appear to have touched and impacted many different civilizations.
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Re: Dogon

Postby theCryptofishist » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:25 pm

Ut-shay up-yay about-yay ee-they ish-fey eople-pay.
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Re: Dogon

Postby Finneganistan » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:07 pm

I may have erred, throwing in my lot with the cats..
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Re: Dogon

Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:56 pm

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