Participant, Spectator, Etc.

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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby Savannah » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:22 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:It's true that the only way to sleep in a tutu is to be very drunk. otherwise, too uncomfortable.


TRUE. :lol:

BBadger wrote:That doesn't mean, however, that these same people don't want to engage and interact; they're often just shy or intimidated by it all. Many people on the streets need an opening in which to participate or interact. Approaching a small camp bar can be a big step, like being the only customer in a new restaurant where everyone is watching you eat. That interaction can be daunting; so you have to make the first step and draw them in. Make them feel welcome, don't just expect that a sign and you staring down people will draw a crowd.


A thousand times, yes. Even a slightly bigger camp can be intimidating. I thought Revofuckinglution was a great looking bar camp, but I actively got nervous as I approached, and turned right back around. Now--that was my own damned issue, but good light & welcoming faces (or words) can make every difference. Signs, too. (They had a great sign; it's what drew me forward in the first place).
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby FIGJAM » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:14 pm

I sit in the shade and say "I need you to come over here for a minute!"

Then do something nice for them. 8)
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby Sic Pup » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:26 pm

The quickest way to get me to not do something is to tell me I have to, the quickest way to get me to do something is to tell me I can't.


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It all depends on your perspective and what you're looking to find and or mold. Everyone has worth and potential even if you can't see it.

Elevating oneself at the expense of others brings everyone down.

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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby CornMan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:37 pm

Savannah wrote:[
A thousand times, yes. Even a slightly bigger camp can be intimidating. I thought Revofuckinglution was a great looking bar camp, but I actively got nervous as I approached, and turned right back around. Now--that was my own damned issue, but good light & welcoming faces (or words) can make every difference. Signs, too. (They had a great sign; it's what drew me forward in the first place).


This got me thinking. A good way to get shy people in the door is to offer something additional that does not require person to person interaction. Burntown's rope walk is a good example of this. Everybody feels more than welcome to partake in climbing it, and nobody hogs it all to themselves. A maze entrance to a pub could be a fun icebreaker. Maybe our camp's pachinko machines might serve to this same purpose.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby ygmir » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:55 pm

what a great conversation..........thank you all!!!

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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby tamarakay » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:25 pm

Great conversation. Ken and I head out every year to find small camps to play with but believe it or not, we are shy. It's hard to tell on a lot of camps what is open space, do they want us here etc. having a greeter is extremely helpful for us shy types. We get back to camp and our daughter and friends tell us about finding this or that camp that did all these great things. They don't seem to have our issues.

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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby TomServo » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:02 pm

The whole "spectator" stigma really worried me, before my first burn. My first night on the playa, we experienced near freezing temperatures and gale force winds. Buck naked and armed with a roll of duct tape, I managed to save our camp from complete destruction. That next morning, I woke up, opened a beer and finished sewing my kilt...and in that brief moment of complete bliss, it occurred to me... "Just do what needs to be done, and don't overthink it."
I've never really thought about HOW to participate, and each year is different. Some years, I've spent the entire week behind a bar...others, anywhere and everywhere in BRC. Each year seems to be dictated by inspirations of the last.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby Elorrum » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:11 pm

I'm bringing two rubberbands, and two cabinet knobs. Thanks TK for that video. Laughing my ass off can be a simple thing some times. It's FUN. I try to bring a few good laughs in my bag of tricks. I think appreciation is a form of participation. Let people know you love their ideas, their sounds, their art! I don't dress up, but do enjoy making a new hat each year.
Being shy is not a problem, it's just how things are. I find being playful is a good way to get around the playa. I agree with Tom, don't overthink it. Those smaller perfect moments are the memories for me that I wish I could express better. Those moments where you fit perfectly in your skin, and feel like you've arrived. "You had to be there" is something I think we all understand now.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby Ano » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:50 pm

I feel like it's sometimes tough with smaller camps to tell if they're open to visitors or not. I'm more comfortable with it now, though, but it is daunting to walk up to what appears to be a tight-knit group of friends camping and sit on the seemingly private couch. And it always can feel weird, at first, to get served alcohol for free. Some places feel pretty unwelcoming from the get-go, too, with a closed facade and a small door.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby Savannah » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:54 pm

A sandwich board with camp name and "OPEN" would probably make a great difference.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby TT120 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:19 pm

I had a hard time telling if it was an "open" camp as well. That could have been partially my fault though as I tend to mind my own business in the default world. I think this year, I'll try just going into an interesting looking camp whether or not it looks open and just see if I can make some friends or get booted out.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby CornMan » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:32 pm

TT120 wrote:I had a hard time telling if it was an "open" camp as well. That could have been partially my fault though as I tend to mind my own business in the default world. I think this year, I'll try just going into an interesting looking camp whether or not it looks open and just see if I can make some friends or get booted out.


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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby gyre » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:24 pm

Elorrum wrote: I think appreciation is a form of participation.
Let people know you love their ideas, their sounds, their art!


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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby TomServo » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:30 am

Remember, what may be considered "RUDE" in the default world, isn't necessarily so in BRC. If they seem disturbed, by your unannounced visit, just say "FUCK EM" and move on. Some camps expect to attract people, but just don't know how. And, some of those camps provide the best memories.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby tatonka » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:54 pm

My buddy had a idea for a outfit for himself , but after watching alot of the vids he see's alot of people in regular clothes. So he just wants to be comfortable , me on the other hand am very comfy in a loin cloth. Wore one at Powwow's and Rendevous for many years so Im comfy in one if its warm.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby Elliot » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:48 pm

Last year... for the first time I encountered a fellow who cheerfully admitted he had never heard of BM until a few days prior. He had simply stumbled into a ticket from some buddies and gone with them. He threw a cigarette butt on the ground right in front of me.

Methinks this sort of "participation" is a Bad Thing.

This is why I am a big fan of dust storms and other features that tend to filter such people out.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby trilobyte » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:44 am

I'm giving this a nudge over to Politics & Philosophy, since I think that's a better fit.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby BBadger » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:29 pm

Elliot wrote:Last year... for the first time I encountered a fellow who cheerfully admitted he had never heard of BM until a few days prior. He had simply stumbled into a ticket from some buddies and gone with them. He threw a cigarette butt on the ground right in front of me.

Methinks this sort of "participation" is a Bad Thing.


You know what is also a bad form of participation -- or lack thereof in this case? Not informing someone that he/she is MOOPing, especially when the context of the person's ignorance should give them the benefit of the doubt.

We all know that putting out cigarette butts on the ground, and leaving them, is usually not an issue back in the default world (unless you're in Singapore). If that guy did indeed receive a ticket a few days prior, he may not have even known that it was such a big issue. If anything, the people who brought the guy with them are at fault for not ingraining the rules in his head -- like parents and their children. As they did not, the onus is now on you set the person straight.

Now if that guy said he didn't care or didn't think it was an issue, then there's a problem, and the guy is a qualified douchebag. That wasn't mentioned, however. I do hope you picked up the butt and tossed it as well.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby gyre » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:39 pm

BBadger wrote:We all know that putting out cigarette butts on the ground, and leaving them, is usually not an issue back in the default world (unless you're in Singapore).


Actually no one knows that.
It's just as acceptable on the playa as anywhere else.
Only the morons that think a cigarette magically vanishes the second it leaves their hand, think it's okay.

The rest of us have to pick up after these trash.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby BBadger » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:40 pm

All the more reason to inform the person.
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby gyre » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:32 am

Of course.


Reminds me of a story of a writer meeting with someone at a long table in their home.
Noting ashtrays spaced down the table, he asked if they minded if he smoked.
They preferred he didn't.
Later he asked about the ashtrays, spaced every so often down the table.
"Those are for the people that don't ask."
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Re: Participant, Spectator, Etc.

Postby bluesbob » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:38 pm

I prefer "hooligan".
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