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Postby freeeeeman » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:15 pm

i'm renting a cargo van for this year and probably won't use all the space. i might haul a bunch of stuff for people in my camp & split the cost, but also thought about charging some "reasonable" price for taking other people's things to the playa if we don't need all the space. perhaps something like $10 a suitcase or something. i can see it being a great thing to gift ... but it also would be nice to split the cost... just like giving someone a ride there and expecting them to split the gas. thoughts?
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:28 pm

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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby trilobyte » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:37 pm

It's reasonable and understandable to offer gear haulage shares (just like a rideshare and RV share). You can even post those listings here, though we do ask that you keep the financial details to PM's or emails between interested parties. As Ugly Dougly mentioned, you and your campmates have assorted costs associated with the truck (rental, fuel, etc) not to mention the time spent loading and unloading a full truck. Good luck!
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby Turtleburp » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:03 pm

freeeeeman wrote:i'm renting a cargo van for this year and probably won't use all the space. i might haul a bunch of stuff for people in my camp & split the cost, but also thought about charging some "reasonable" price for taking other people's things to the playa if we don't need all the space. perhaps something like $10 a suitcase or something. i can see it being a great thing to gift ... but it also would be nice to split the cost... just like giving someone a ride there and expecting them to split the gas. thoughts?



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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby tootled » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:07 pm

Screw you turtle - I'm not going in that fecking bag again.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby Savannah » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:50 pm

freeeeeman wrote:i'm renting a cargo van for this year and probably won't use all the space. i might haul a bunch of stuff for people in my camp & split the cost, but also thought about charging some "reasonable" price for taking other people's things to the playa if we don't need all the space. perhaps something like $10 a suitcase or something. i can see it being a great thing to gift ... but it also would be nice to split the cost... just like giving someone a ride there and expecting them to split the gas. thoughts?


I've found that two people can easily fill up most of a cargo van if they're bringing themselves, all the usual stuff, plus shade and bikes (inside) for themselves. I think a third person could get their things into the same cargo van if they didn't have separate shade, or--if not third person--a driver could transport 3-4 suitcases or boxes more. If the bikes are on the top of the van or hanging off the back, the possibilities are better, but I don't know if you'll want to use the top of a rental; it seems like it could get scratched up, and it's less stable.

Is it reasonable to charge campmates a little gas money to haul things? Probably. From what I understand, heavier vehicles get worse mileage.

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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby International Incident » Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:27 pm

tootled wrote:Screw you turtle - I'm not going in that fecking bag again.


You will go in that bag and you will stay in that bag.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby tootled » Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:30 pm

Yes ma'am :oops:
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Postby mgb327 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:31 am

and you will LIKE IT! in that bag.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby ygmir » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:32 am

International Incident wrote:
tootled wrote:Screw you turtle - I'm not going in that fecking bag again.


You will go in that bag and you will stay in that bag.


I fucking love I.I.



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Consider your situation, at gate:
a van may well be searched. and, the more "packed" (and chaotic) the harder that search becomes, and at times, the more thorough.
Read stuff opened, taken out, etc.
If you're going to pack it really full, you may sit a while at gate.
At the very least, do a neat job of packing, that is easily searched. In case you are searched.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby EspressoDude » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:36 am

sharing expenses is a good thing.

about water. It is the heaviest stuff you will carry, over 8 pounds per gallon. If you figure 1-1/2 gallon per day x 3 people that is 36 pounds per day for 8 days is almost 300 pounds. Keep it low and centered in your van, not crammed in the ass end or strapped on the roof, otherwise your driving will be like a carnival ride. and save the containers to pack your grey water out.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby tootled » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:38 am

Well yeah Ymir, II is awesome until you're the one that to get in the bag all the time.

It smells a lot of failed djs.
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Postby FIGJAM » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:53 am

Just wait till it's your turn in the barrel! :shock:
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby tootled » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:59 am

Well it's no fun in the barrel if there are no hills to roll down.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby freeeeeman » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:54 am

thanks all! great stuff.

savannah, we took an old mercedes (my sweet dear prissy) the last 3 years and managed to get quite a bit of stuff in her including our (zook arch) shade and 2/3s of the dodgeball court. so i'm hoping we'll have the space. my plan is to have a staging area that mimics the size of the van so we can get a feel for it. then it'll be first come, first served.

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tootled wrote:Screw you turtle - I'm not going in that fecking bag again.


You will go in that bag and you will stay in that bag.


we'll totally let you out of the bag once we get rolling. it's A/C too! hope you like audio books though... you have a ticket, right? i've been thoroughly searched each year...
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Postby knowmad » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:38 am

if you have extra space you need to bring more stuff!
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Postby illy dilly » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:45 am

freeeeeman wrote:thanks all! great stuff.

savannah, we took an old mercedes (my sweet dear prissy) the last 3 years and managed to get quite a bit of stuff in her including our (zook arch) shade and 2/3s of the dodgeball court. so i'm hoping we'll have the space. my plan is to have a staging area that mimics the size of the van so we can get a feel for it. then it'll be first come, first served.

International Incident wrote:
tootled wrote:Screw you turtle - I'm not going in that fecking bag again.


You will go in that bag and you will stay in that bag.


we'll totally let you out of the bag once we get rolling. it's A/C too! hope you like audio books though... you have a ticket, right? i've been thoroughly searched each year...

Does anyone mind some thread drift?

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeman, I've googled Zook Arch and it appears to be similar to a Monkey Hut. Apparently Bob Zook, has taken Monkey Huts to the next level.
In photo 4 of 12 of the slide show, he is running nylon strap between each rebar steak, then looping a strap that goes over the hut to the other side, between the PVC ribs of the hut. Yeah? http://zookdesigns.blogspot.com/ then click on any picture to bring up the slide show.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby illy dilly » Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:58 am

As to charging for space in a truck or van, we considered it the last two years.
Could really help us and others coming from CO.
PROS:
Helps with gas and rental costs.
Helps other local burners.

CONS:
-How do you know what their transporting in your vehicle?
Option 1:Our thought was something like $10 bucks for standard size rubber made. $30 for cubic pallet. Similar to what the semi truck out of Detroit (I think Detroit?) does. For Rubbermaid, people bring their stuff packed. We all peak inside make sure its not anything illegal, but don't dig around. Then they close it, wrap edges with duct tape and sign it. Insuring that we can't open it and we're not responsible for contents of container (just in case 'something' did happen). But, now your a contract carrier moving things across state lines, probably some sort of requirement and permits for this sort of thing, if nothing probably CDL's required. :roll: (?)
Option 2: You're just transporting things for friends and they're pitching on gas... Well they promised nothing illegal was in there, but there's actually 2 ounces of weed inside that contraption thing. Its a bike, there is some sort of illegal something in the frame somewhere. Now, you are responsible for the contents of the package and its in your possession.
You get pulled over for speeding, broken tail light, whatever, officer asks to search vehicle (yeah yeah, never consent, all that) you don't figure you have anything to worry about you say go for it. You let them search and you get popped with what ever your transporting. "Officer I promise thats not mine! Its a friends bike!" :roll:

As for the truck out of Detroit (or maybe Pittsburgh?). I believe they have actual over the road 18 wheeler truck drivers with CDL's and all the proper certifications and stuff to Commercially Transport things.
Elliot would be great to chime in on this as he has first hand ACTUAL knowledge. Everything I've said is purely speculation based off my assumptions.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby Elliot » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:33 am

illy dilly wrote:Elliot would be great to chime in on this as he has first hand ACTUAL knowledge.



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Maybe!

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Now, with the formalities concluded….

I know nothing. But I cannot imagine any authorities having any interest in how a bunch of civilians share their travel expenses for a camping trip.

But the size of the truck can matter. The rental agent should definitely know what Driver License is required for his vehicles.

You will however need to go thru official Weigh Stations (Scale, “chicken coop”, Inspection Station, etc). Watch for signs that say something like “rental trucks must exit to Weigh Station”.

Here the weight of the truck matters, and they weigh each axle separately. There should be a label in the truck showing the maximums for that vehicle. It is unlikely you will hit the maximum, but the way to find out is to drive to the nearest truck stop or other business with a truck scale available to the public, such as a recycling station or a gravel quarry. Having the truck weighed privately should cost less that ten bucks.

An official Weigh Station can also look at the truck’s mechanical condition and current registration. Make sure the truck has current registration when you pick it up. Sometimes it takes months before a new registration card and sticker catches up with a busy rental truck.

And I suggest you not have anything on the roof or otherwise lashed onto the truck -- big red flag suggesting irresponsible people.



I also know nothing about transport – however inadvertent – of federal contraband. But from what I often read in the local news about arrests for contraband in vehicles – and here on ePlaya about travel to TTITD -- I would not carry a paper clip for anyone I did not know very well indeed.

Wrapping the paperclip in sheet lead and gold leaf, sealing it with a secret blend of walrus blubber and epoxy, and signing it with the last extant drop of the blood of Jesus… would only give them a good laugh, yes.



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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby illy dilly » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:02 pm

Huh.
The way we figured it, if someone is paying you to transport their goods, and you claim to not know what their goods are, then its a commercial service. Kind of like UPS, FedEx, QuickSilver, etc.

If someone is pitching towards gas for you carrying their stuff, then you wouldn't be able to claim you're not the Owner of the goods.

Elliot wrote:Make sure the truck has current registration when you pick it up. Sometimes it takes months before a new registration card and sticker catches up with a busy rental truck.

I've never even though about a rental having expired registration.

I know it happens in company fleet vehicles like route trucks and delivery vans.
We had the wrong license plates on two of the tech vans for a while. Only figured it out when one of the guys took his van in emissions. Two white Chevy vans from similar years, all purchased and registered at the same time, we got them as used Qwest vans.
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby Elliot » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:38 pm

Well, if you want some degree of protection against freight that does not belong to you, then I imagine you would want to start your own commercial trucking company, yes.

I'm thinking that every time for 27 years when I hauled 46,000 pounds of canned soup, mattresses, office furniture, corn flakes, printing paper, soda pop, lumber and so forth... somebody at the factory could have slipped a pound of cocaine into a soup can and his accomplice at the retail store would retrieve it.

Nothing like that ever came to my attention, but my gut feeling is I would not have been blamed. But I bet the investigation would have looked into whether I had ever met either of those fellas before, and that sort of thing.

As for starting your own full fledged trucking company, just to haul somebody's monkey hut... now, that's downright comical. You know how to make a small fortune in trucking? Start with a large fortune.
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Postby freeeeeman » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:39 pm

wow.... i never even *thought* about how someone would give me something illegal to take up there. guess i'll be sticking to people i know... or doing bag searches for sure... good to know...
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Postby Elliot » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:49 pm

That is how I used to think, or not think, and I have hauled both hitchhikers with their backpacks, and unaccompanied supplies belonging to people I have never met, to BM. But I'm wisening up, based on the tales I read. It would take only one misguided fool to ruin my life. Not worth it.
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Postby Savannah » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:50 pm

freeeeeman wrote:wow.... i never even *thought* about how someone would give me something illegal to take up there. guess i'll be sticking to people i know... or doing bag searches for sure... good to know...


Good idea. Someone you know is more likely to take seriously what happens to you.

Even with people you know, give them a heads-up that there must be no contraband before they bring their stuff over, because they might not even think about it, otherwise . . . and if you wait to ask when their rubbermaid is all packed and ask them point blank, they may get flustered and fail to tell the truth.



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Postby Turtleburp » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:06 pm

freeeeeman wrote:wow.... i never even *thought* about how someone would give me something illegal to take up there. guess i'll be sticking to people i know... or doing bag searches for sure... good to know...


Funny but that's the first thing I thought of... Nasty suspicious soul that I am.

Then again there were soo many cops there last year!
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Postby freeeeeman » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:17 pm

Turtleburp wrote:
freeeeeman wrote:wow.... i never even *thought* about how someone would give me something illegal to take up there. guess i'll be sticking to people i know... or doing bag searches for sure... good to know...


Funny but that's the first thing I thought of... Nasty suspicious soul that I am.

Then again there were soo many cops there last year!


there were a ton of cops, weren't there? i think they were looking for some dude in a plastic wrapped package that disappeared.
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Postby SquirrelHead » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:55 am

Turtleburp wrote:
freeeeeman wrote:wow.... i never even *thought* about how someone would give me something illegal to take up there. guess i'll be sticking to people i know... or doing bag searches for sure... good to know...


Funny but that's the first thing I thought of... Nasty suspicious soul that I am.

Then again there were soo many cops there last year!


hmmmm I wonder what's in Turtleburp's bags..........OK, now I scared myself. :shock:
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Re: ok to charge for hauling stuff to burning man?

Postby illy dilly » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:41 am

freeeeeman wrote:
Turtleburp wrote:
freeeeeman wrote:wow.... i never even *thought* about how someone would give me something illegal to take up there. guess i'll be sticking to people i know... or doing bag searches for sure... good to know...


Funny but that's the first thing I thought of... Nasty suspicious soul that I am.

Then again there were soo many cops there last year!


there were a ton of cops, weren't there? i think they were looking for some dude in a plastic wrapped package that disappeared.

Woo Hoo Turtleburp, go team Un-trusting and Paranoid!

I felt that the Qty of police was down considerably since 2011. Or, maybe that they stayed in their trucks for the most part. I didn't see any LEO on ATV's rolling up and down the streets hassling camps. But we were also back on G. I think that sort of thing happens more the closer you get to Esplanade.
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Postby BoyScoutGirl » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:24 am

freeeeeman wrote: ...and 2/3s of the dodgeball court. ...


Stopped by your camp in 2012 - lots of fun!

As for the original topic, I agree with espressodude: if I were paying for the service of hauling stuff to the playa, the thing I think would be most helpful to have hauled for me would be water. Or maybe a bike. The heavy and large stuff is what makes hitching a ride much harder.
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