Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect Vbar™

Ideas, advice, tips, and tricks regarding shelter, shade, tents, and camping. Yes, this includes RV's too.

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby lemur » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:26 pm

Dr. Dust wrote:vbar is the only rebar shape that gives me that "there's no fuckin' way this structure's gonna blow away" peace of mind, thus allowing me to have a carefree experience.


WE PUT 3 O-RINGS ON THOSE BOOSTERS.. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

Image
Don't link to anything here!
User avatar
lemur
 
Posts: 3599
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:07 pm
Location: Madagascar
Camp Name: Plug N Play Camp

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby Dr. Dust » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:36 pm

maladroit wrote:I used rebar between 2 and 3 feet long, because I was a paranoid noob. I welded flat washers to the top to turn them into giant nails and pounded those suckers flush, to hold down a 6-man tent and a 20' monkeyhut. Of course, it didn't go anywhere (though there wasn't much wind in 2012). Getting them out was a serious problem.


Damn, I bet those were damn near impossible to get out. Last year I used some 12" gutter nails to secure my ground tarp and I found those way more difficult to pull than any rebar I've used. I can only imagine trying to pull a 30" nail :shock: .

maladroit wrote:This year I'm going to try FIGJAM's 14" lag screw idea. I figure a 14" screw will bite in about as much as a 24" rebar, since it actually threads into the playa instead of depending on friction inside the hole it just punched. I will also bend some of my old stakes in half, Dr. Dust, to give it a try for some guy line anchors. But I'll use a blowtorch to heat up the rebar at the bend location, because I suspect cold-bending it will make it fairly brittle in the exact spot you need to hammer.


Definitely blowtorch it! Great idea!!
User avatar
Dr. Dust
 
Posts: 61
Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:19 am
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Burning Since: 2011
Camp Name: Miso Horny

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby Savannah » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:43 pm

Dr. Dust wrote:
maladroit wrote:I used rebar between 2 and 3 feet long, because I was a paranoid noob. I welded flat washers to the top to turn them into giant nails and pounded those suckers flush, to hold down a 6-man tent and a 20' monkeyhut. Of course, it didn't go anywhere (though there wasn't much wind in 2012). Getting them out was a serious problem.


Damn, I bet those were damn near impossible to get out. Last year I used some 12" gutter nails to secure my ground tarp and I found those way more difficult to pull than any rebar I've used. I can only imagine trying to pull a 30" nail :shock: .


Seriously, that must have been miserable. :shock:

I am going to leave my 10" tent stakes one inch up this year (topped & lit, of course). Pounded flush/recessed is just too much for my nylon teepee. I've got a wrecking bar, but getting 'em started was still arduous.
*** 2013 Survival Guide ***

"I must've lost it when I was twerking at the trash fence." -- BBadger

"Snark away, ePlaya, you magnificent bastards." -- McStrangle
User avatar
Savannah
Moderator
 
Posts: 10517
Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:33 pm
Burning Since: 2000

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby maladroit » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:17 pm

Vise grips and lots of twisting. Each one was a little project, especially with a couple of freshly broken ribs :shock:
maladroit
 
Posts: 768
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:37 pm
Burning Since: 2012

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby Savannah » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:30 pm

Your poor ribs!

(Did you hurt yourself on playa, or arrive that way?)

. . . I am not a wizard with vise grips. I'm not sure why. I'm clumsy with 'em. For me, it's a wrecking bar or nothing. Note: my stakes are like large nails, so the wrecking bar actually grips 'em.

But yeah--1) I pounded 'em too far and 2) put one under a friend's trailer. Brilliant. :lol:
*** 2013 Survival Guide ***

"I must've lost it when I was twerking at the trash fence." -- BBadger

"Snark away, ePlaya, you magnificent bastards." -- McStrangle
User avatar
Savannah
Moderator
 
Posts: 10517
Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:33 pm
Burning Since: 2000

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby maladroit » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:36 pm

I cracked them on Thursday when going ass-over-teakettle over a random bike jump someone put in the street. Broke them the rest of the way helping tear down an art structure on Sunday. Banged my leg up pretty good too:
Image

But, I am thankful. I feel like I got the full Burning Man experience as promised on the back of the ticket, without going so far as falling off a scaffold into a forest of uncapped rebar.
maladroit
 
Posts: 768
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:37 pm
Burning Since: 2012

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby Savannah » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:44 pm

Wow! :o That IS one of the splashier non-distastrous injuries I've seen. It's perfectly Burning Man.
*** 2013 Survival Guide ***

"I must've lost it when I was twerking at the trash fence." -- BBadger

"Snark away, ePlaya, you magnificent bastards." -- McStrangle
User avatar
Savannah
Moderator
 
Posts: 10517
Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:33 pm
Burning Since: 2000

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby maladroit » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:59 pm

Yup, I rocked it for a day or two before going to a med station to ask whether this was likely to cause any permanent damage. Doc seemed tired and relieved to talk to a relatively coherent and ambulatory patient, said it was very likely a small amount of torn muscle tissue, and to "enjoy the bruise." Thanks Doc. :D
maladroit
 
Posts: 768
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:37 pm
Burning Since: 2012

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:07 pm

Savannah wrote:Wow! :o That IS one of the splashier non-distastrous injuries I've seen. It's perfectly Burning Man.

Scar story night...
Simon's real sig line?

Embrace the Sock

Winners never quilt, quilters never win...
User avatar
theCryptofishist
 
Posts: 37413
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:28 am
Location: In Exile
Burning Since: 2017

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby AntiM » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:59 am

mudpuppy000 wrote:Or, you can just get a long steel bar and pry the v-bar out of the ground. :D


We, and by we I mean MyLarry, uses a wrecker bar/gorilla bar to get our rebar up and out. Like a giant four foot crowbar (could be smaller, I've not measured it).

He hates pounding bent or curved rebar (candycane or otherwise) as the sledge bonces off the curve. We have long rebar welded into "t" shapes... they look like vampire killing cross-shaped stakes. Enough so the wooden ammo casket they reside in is called "the Buffy box".
Properly pounded in, the arms are flush with the playa. Construction cap on top, although solar lights work too.

033 - Copy.JPG


But everyone has personal preferences and strong opinions.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
These are not my fuckos.
User avatar
AntiM
Moderator
 
Posts: 16387
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:23 am
Location: Top O' the World, Ma!
Burning Since: 2001
Camp Name: Anti M's Home for Wayward Art

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby unjonharley » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:53 am

tried u shaped rebar one year.. Just to hard to pound in.. They spring to much when hit..

this year i'm going with one foot sand pegs.. Drive them with a 1/2 roto-hammer,(hammer only) at a forty five degree angle.. After the lines are attached.. the pegs can be driven flush with the ground.. To remove.. take the line loose and pull the line With the angle of the peg...
User avatar
unjonharley
 
Posts: 8791
Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:05 am
Location: Salem Or.

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby newbiehippie » Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:51 am

So, is the consensus that 10-inch nails won't cut it? I'm a virgin burner, and just picked up nails over re-bar since they are small and no-fuss. I've only got a little solo backpacking tent to secure, but just want to double check before packing up for the Playa.
newbiehippie
 
Posts: 11
Joined: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:34 am
Burning Since: 2013

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby nixiebunny » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:06 am

Ten inch nails won't cut it. The nail starts gripping about 8 inches down. 2 foot 3/8" rebar is fine.

That candy cane thing mentioned in the official literature is silly. The U shape described above means you have to pound in twice as many pieces of rebar, as each U has two legs.

I put a 3" long hook at the top end of a 2 foot rebar, bent over 120 degrees. This works great, if you make the hook bend nice and sharp. To do this, use two 1/2" pipes as handles to hold the two ends of the rebar, and leave only a tiny gap between them. The pipe with the long end of the rebar sits on the floor under your foot, and the hook end is in a longer pipe that's pulled up and over to bend it 120 degrees.

If you have a welder handy, weld washers or hooks on top instead of bending the hook in.
--David Forbes
nixiebunny
 
Posts: 52
Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:27 pm
Location: Tucson

Re: Dr. Dust's 'V' style Rebar Method- 10 steps to perfect V

Postby crstophr » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:57 pm

Getting rebar out isn't hard.

You need a crow bar, vice grips, and a small board or block of wood.

-clamp the vice grips on the rebar close to the ground but with enough space to get the crow bar under it.
-set the board on the ground and put the crow bar's point against the board
-place the crow bar under the vice grips
-pry up against the vice grips using the board to lever against

With this method it's often necessary to move the vice grips down and repeat the procedure 2-3 times before the rebar is loose enough to come out by hand. 5 years later and we still do it this way...

--Chris
crstophr
 
Posts: 56
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:14 am

Previous

Return to Shelter & Camping

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest