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Postby tattoogoddess » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:38 pm

I got to thinking today about if there is a line that can be crossed on the playa as far as attire.
I know a person who is attending this year and they purchased a replica nazi military greens jacket to wear out on the playa with the 2 bolts, eagle crunching the swatztiga (spelling?)
I find the jacket very offensive and told them I don't think it is such a hot idea. I'm all for radical self expression, but should there be a line, "supporting/promoting" a military who killed millions based on a race?
Am I over reacting? They are not a neo nazi, skinhead ect btw just fascinated I guess. Or at least that's what I gather.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby DrYes » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:07 pm

tattoogoddess wrote:I got to thinking today about if there is a line that can be crossed on the playa as far as attire.
I know a person who is attending this year and they purchased a replica nazi military greens jacket to wear out on the playa with the 2 bolts, eagle crunching the swatztiga (spelling?)
I find the jacket very offensive and told them I don't think it is such a hot idea. I'm all for radical self expression, but should there be a line, "supporting/promoting" a military who killed millions based on a race?
Am I over reacting? They are not a neo nazi, skinhead ect btw just fascinated I guess. Or at least that's what I gather.


You are overreacting, assuming the person is wearing them ironically.

If he/she is wearing it to express solidarity, then that'd be gross to me, but whatever - to each his own as long as it's just an opinion and not action. The United States, where Burning Man takes place, has one of the most aggressive, violent militaries on the planet in the post-WW2 era, and I wouldn't freak out about someone wearing US military gear to the playa.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby Elliot » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:29 pm

DrYes wrote:(accidentally quoted my own post....would love to delete this one, mods!)

No worries, I'll quote you.

DrYes wrote: The United States, ... has one of the most aggressive, violent militaries on the planet...

Strange how I was not aware that the USA has gassed, machine-gunned, buried alive, and otherwise gruesomely murdered 6 Million men, women, and children over the shape of their noses, and scavenged the gold fillings out of the corpse's teeth. But I suppose I don't read enough.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby International Incident » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:40 pm

If someone wants to wear Nazi uniforms - I don't care. I think it is offensive - but that is just my view.
Why should we care? The person wearing the swastika (at BM) is probably just looking for a reaction.

I think the bigger issue would be that some people don't have a good, basic grasp on history. If another person wears the nazi uniform and it prompts discussion then that's a good thing.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby Savannah » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:00 am

tattoogoddess wrote:I got to thinking today about if there is a line that can be crossed on the playa as far as attire.
I know a person who is attending this year and they purchased a replica nazi military greens jacket to wear out on the playa with the 2 bolts, eagle crunching the swatztiga (spelling?)
I find the jacket very offensive and told them I don't think it is such a hot idea. I'm all for radical self expression, but should there be a line, "supporting/promoting" a military who killed millions based on a race?
Am I over reacting? They are not a neo nazi, skinhead ect btw just fascinated I guess. Or at least that's what I gather.


The spelling is "swastika", since you ask. I think it's good that you gave them your opinion. I would. You've got a right to speak your mind.

They can do with that whatever they want, including nothing.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby Eric » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:55 am

I'm Jewish, and your idiot friend is free to wear his Nazi outfit for all I care. I'm free to think he looks pathetically desperate to "look hipster/ironic".
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby International Incident » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:16 am

Eric wrote:I'm Jewish, and your idiot friend is free to wear his Nazi outfit for all I care. I'm free to think he looks pathetically desperate to "look hipster/ironic".


Yup. Fucking hipsters.

Free speech is important...
But it also needs good education so that the fucktards have a shot of understanding history.
Or it needs people like Eric to call people out.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby International Incident » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:18 am

And, sorry about this, but please google your spelling please TG. Swastika is a common word - it is not hard to get it right.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby junglesmacks » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:04 am

This wouldn't be the same person looking to get a custom embroidered swastika patch on here, would it?
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby BBadger » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:32 am

DrYes wrote:The United States, where Burning Man takes place, has one of the most aggressive, violent militaries on the planet in the post-WW2 era, and I wouldn't freak out about someone wearing US military gear to the playa.


If you think Nazis and the US are even comparable, you really need some perspective from beyond the large intestine.

International Incident wrote:And, sorry about this, but please google your spelling please TG. Swastika is a common word - it is not hard to get it right.


Yeah, that's really a word everyone should know how to spell...
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby junglesmacks » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:04 am

BBadger wrote:
International Incident wrote:And, sorry about this, but please google your spelling please TG. Swastika is a common word - it is not hard to get it right.


Yeah, that's really a word everyone should know how to spell...


Well.. that and browsers.. even phones.. these days have this cute little invention called spell check. All it takes is a right click on the squiggly little red line to get help.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby Sham » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:48 am

Why would TG be hanging with someone who has such dreadful judgement?
As far as performance art or tasteless costumes, it can be done, but they should expect to be razzed the entire time---also performance art! :roll:
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:54 am

nazi's aren't hip.


North Koreans are Hip.


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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby AntiM » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:52 am

I know someone who finds Barbie Death Camp offensive for the very same reasons you disliked the Nazi regalia. An opinion, and no one needs to agree. Visual expression is just that, an expression. Taking action on such views would be over the line.
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby TomServo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:05 am

junglesmacks wrote:This wouldn't be the same person looking to get a custom embroidered swastika patch on here, would it?


It might be. Actually I meant to request it not be added. Nothing a few cuts can't take care of. I am still interested in the daffy duck design, but will live it never happens. For the record, I am very much ANTI Nazi and ANTI War! And my fascination with militaria is strictly Non Political. Can't help you if you have delicate sensibilities.

I had also planned on covering the swastika part of the patch with a smiley face..in reference to the Dead Kennedys "California Uber Alles"
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Postby BBadger » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:17 am

Just tell people it's a Shinto or Hindu symbol.
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Postby TomServo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:23 am

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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby ygmir » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:38 am

how about a "Pol Pot" poster?
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Stalin

heck, Samson........

or any other of the "lesser murderers".


why, is it ALWAYS the Germans?
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Postby TomServo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:57 am

Lesser? Mao and Stalin are the top two!
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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby canexplain » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:07 am

Guess I am a bit of a hypocrite. For Halloween I have went with dead cabbage kids and blood all over me, dressed black face as OJ when that was going on, the ultimate bad guy, the devil, etc. but I would be a little offended if someone was wearing that trash garb. Guess I will go with self expression though . At my old work, I monitored where people surfed, how long, etc. Nazi stuff was always on the list of sites that were a no no .....The only things that I really won't go back on is doing things that hurt kids and old people that can't defend themselves. Besides that, party .........
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Postby junglesmacks » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:09 am

For the record, I have zero delicate sensibilities. I was just wondering if the un-named person were one in the same and couldn't care less what you wear.. :D

Party on Wayne, party on Garth.

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junglesmacks wrote:This wouldn't be the same person looking to get a custom embroidered swastika patch on here, would it?


It might be. Actually I meant to request it not be added. Nothing a few cuts can't take care of. I am still interested in the daffy duck design, but will live it never happens. For the record, I am very much ANTI Nazi and ANTI War! And my fascination with militaria is strictly Non Political. Can't help you if you have delicate sensibilities.

I had also planned on covering the swastika part of the patch with a smiley face..in reference to the Dead Kennedys "California Uber Alles"
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Postby BBadger » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:12 am

ygmir wrote:how about a "Pol Pot" poster?
Mao
Stalin

heck, Samson........

or any other of the "lesser murderers".

why, is it ALWAYS the Germans?


It only matters if it happens in the West, just like how people concentrate on the US and think it has "one of the most aggressive, violent militaries on the planet in the post-WW2 era." Forget the Mao's Great Leap Forward, Stalin's democides, the Pol Pot's killing fields, or even the shenanigans of the "peaceful" Mickey Mouse watch-wearing, imperialist war-criminal Emperor Hirohito (we got Japan's chemical and biological weapons technology out of that deal though). All that shit happened in East Asia or Eastern Europe and it's as easily forgotten as a Rwandan genocide or a war in Congo.

Hell, Hitler had some pretty good branding, and a recognizable mustache! The other symbols (hammer and sickle or stars on a red background) are too genericized, or just plain unrecognizable like the flag of Democratic Kampuchea (who?!), which has some sort of building on it or something. It's a shame though; the swastika is such a nice symbol.
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Postby ygmir » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:18 am

TomServo wrote:Lesser? Mao and Stalin are the top two!


if you note, I put "lesser" after Samson, did not refer to the above as such.
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Postby TomServo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:09 am

ygmir wrote:
TomServo wrote:Lesser? Mao and Stalin are the top two!


if you note, I put "lesser" after Samson, did not refer to the above as such.

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Postby Roberto Dobbisano » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:16 am

i think this belongs in the domestic dispute thread.
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Postby TomServo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:17 am

junglesmacks wrote:For the record, I have zero delicate sensibilities. I was just wondering if the un-named person were one in the same and couldn't care less what you wear.. :D

Party on Wayne, party on Garth.

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junglesmacks wrote:This wouldn't be the same person looking to get a custom embroidered swastika patch on here, would it?


It might be. Actually I meant to request it not be added. Nothing a few cuts can't take care of. I am still interested in the daffy duck design, but will live it never happens. For the record, I am very much ANTI Nazi and ANTI War! And my fascination with militaria is strictly Non Political. Can't help you if you have delicate sensibilities.

I had also planned on covering the swastika part of the patch with a smiley face..in reference to the Dead Kennedys "California Uber Alles"

I wasn't saying you. I was just a little surprised that people come to you lot, before questioning ME on my personal fetishes.

Here's the original piece..

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Re: Is there a line you Can cross at bm?

Postby TomServo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:17 am

Roberto Dobbisano wrote:i think this belongs in the domestic dispute thread.


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Postby junglesmacks » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:42 am

If by "you".. you must mean eplaya as a whole.. :D
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Postby TomServo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:44 am

junglesmacks wrote:If by "you".. you must mean eplaya as a whole.. :D


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