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RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby tkrobson » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:45 pm

Hi everyone! Can anyone recommend a positive experience with a reputable group that can deliver RV's to the Playa? We have two groups coming up from LA with limited time but sufficient budgets. We would prefer to rent from someone local if possible (to Reno) so they can provide services should we need it. We need 2 larger Rv's delivered to the playa, shuttle from the airport to BM and return back to the airport.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby junglesmacks » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:53 pm

Please, go fuck yourself.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Dr Helix » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:54 pm

You might try to introduce yourself before you ask folks to do your travel arrangements for you. I call that common courtesy.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Sham » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:55 pm

Now Junglesmacks, today there is a new Pope. Lighten up, woodja? :shock:
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby knowmad » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:58 pm

shiny do yourself and the rest of us that hang out here on eplaya a favor.
read!
use Google [you search term] + eplaya
Be prepared for blow-back. This is Eplaya and we are not a market or a market place, this is a eCommerce free zone. please respect that. having sufficient $ and little time is no excuse for not being self reliant(and I'm not even talking about the whole RV thing), or disregarding the Burning man tenents you do understand the 10 guiding principles right?
some might wish you luck on your quest, I'm not one of those.

Edit to Add: Mod's Please correct me if I'm wrong but Solicitation does it not mean Literally, "urgently asking". and we do have a no solicitation policy here do we not?
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby junglesmacks » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:12 pm

There's a new pope?? Shit. Hide your children.. nevermind the wives!
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Savannah » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:47 pm

tkrobson wrote:Hi everyone! Can anyone recommend a positive experience with a reputable group that can deliver RV's to the Playa? We have two groups coming up from LA with limited time but sufficient budgets. We would prefer to rent from someone local if possible (to Reno) so they can provide services should we need it. We need 2 larger Rv's delivered to the playa, shuttle from the airport to BM and return back to the airport.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby junglesmacks » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:54 pm

Exactly. Read and re-read and you'll understand my reaction.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:24 pm

When I was in Reno, post-event, I ran into a bunch of people who get paid to drive those rvs out and back. I wish I remembered more about the conversation. But they were expressing honest curiosity about the event, and I gave them my best eplaya influenced not-really-a-salespitch.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Elliot » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:14 pm

junglesmacks wrote:Please, go fuck yourself.

Really, Junglesmacks, you know better than this. Correct punctuation would be "Please go fuck yourself." If you want to keep the comma, the sentence would be "Go fuck yourself, please."
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Milayna » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:23 am

junglesmacks wrote:Please, go fuck yourself.


It's moments like these when I SO wish eplaya had a "like" button.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby GreyCoyote » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:08 am

OP: You probably get the fact you hit a nerve.
I get the fact you didn't do it on purpose, so let me explain why your post went over like pork sushi at a bar mitzvah.

BM is about participation and self reliance. The general feeling is you will do very little of either if you are locked away in a motorhome. There is truth to this notion, as some of your most memorable moments may come from people who randomly wander into your camp.

BM is also about tolerance and "do-your-own-thing", so Motorhomies are tolerated (if not exactly worshipped). They are the Fat Girl at the school dance. Everyone pretends they dont exist, and the party simply goes around them.

This is the landmine you stepped on. Hard.

If you want to do the turnkey pay-and-play thing, you can do that. There are organizations out there (Google is your friend) who will cater to your needs and I understand they do it very well. But you are missing the entire point of Burning Man. Motorhomes are for observers. Tents, monkeyhuts, domes, and wierd-ass tensegrity structures are for participants. You will have difficulty understanding exactly why this is true or important until you get some serious dust down your buttocks and hock-up a playa-colored Smurf from your lungs. Then you will GET IT.

There is a place for motorhomes on the playa. Old burners cant always deal with the harshness of the playa, so it makes sense for them. Another example is the kid in the early 2000's who got set-up with a motorhome by a benevalent foundation like Make-A-Wish. He wanted to go, so they worked it all out. (The rest of the story is really cool but I wont bore you with it, except to say it involved a team of NASA engineers and an air-conditioned, dust-proof tyvek "moonsuit" so he could get out and participate for short periods). The "locals" avoided that camp like the plague until word got out what the situation really was. Then he was the apple of everyones eye, and he clearly had a good time. The party came to him).

Maybe you have a good reason for doing a motorhome. If so, I wish you luck and a great burn. But if you dont have a really good reason, and are just trying to make BM a weekend-style camping getaway with a freakshow and tits, then I think you can sense where your burn is headed.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby junglesmacks » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:28 am

Newsflash: I highly doubt the OP is the one burning. Looks to be the PA for some rich schmucks. He/She was sent to do some homework on this Burning-thing and how best to deliver Daddy Warbucks and Lovey to and from the party while supplying them with posh digs.. and don't forget the services should they need it.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby GreyCoyote » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:24 am

I find it constructive to address what is actually written, and to attempt to educate instead of humiliate. You however are free to find your own path.

We were all children once. The difference is some of us grew up. Those that did should suffer the new kids with some dignity, patience and guidance.

I suggest if you want to improve the quality of our yearly event and the people it attracts, then it starts here with posters like this.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby MacGlenver » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:56 am

Troll.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby BBadger » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:28 am

GreyCoyote wrote:I find it constructive to address what is actually written, and to attempt to educate instead of humiliate. You however are free to find your own path.

We were all children once. The difference is some of us grew up. Those that did should suffer the new kids with some dignity, patience and guidance.

I suggest if you want to improve the quality of our yearly event and the people it attracts, then it starts here with posters like this.


Education is reserved for those who show the possibility of redemption. The OP is either a troll, or a solicitor and facilitator of tourism. Neither is welcome, and the sooner we cast out their degenerate kind the sooner we can tend to scrubbing out the residue of their taint. Hopefully, the OP conveys a message of open hostility to his patrons, so they may investigate the cause themselves and perhaps they may be redeemed.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby CornMan » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:15 am

Some people think that motorhomes are fine, but they should be allowed only from F street and outward. They think there is plenty of room out in the suburban reaches of BRC for motorhomes without taking away from the survival aspect of the festival for the hard core participants. Myself, I feel motorhomes are fine anywhere on the playa, but they need to be disguised as something different than RVs if placed anywhere between E street and the Esplanade.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby tkrobson » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:18 am

Wow.. I guess after attending my first burn with my friends from LA in 2011 (some of them 15 year veterans, who also bring RV's) and meeting such wonderful people on the Playa, I would have never expected such a litany of hatred, assumption and condescension by so many of you. Please allow me to be the first to apologize for asking for help, something I never thought being a burner would require. I have found in life that oftentimes the best restaurant is the one the locals recommend based on personal experience, not the one you find on Google. To back story a little for those that need it.. there are those of us that dont have time.. try as we might, reality and careers set in and yet we still desire to make the journey, but cannot commit to 1300 miles of driving time in addition to 4-5 days at BM. We do however have abundant financial resources and believe in enabling those around us (and in our camp) to luxuriate when not engaged in Playa fun. I stayed in Dali-ville during 2011 and I can tell you how much my camp members appreciated chilling in the AC for a while and escaping their tents. That said.. last journey we googled a local RV provider and the trip turned out to be a disaster using his organization, so we hoped (there are two groups of us coming) that someone may be able to provide a reference to another vendor they had used and had a good experience with.
hope this helps..
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby ygmir » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:29 am

there was a long thread discussion on "plug and play" camping.
It might help to look there.

careful you don't come off as " If you carry me in on my sultan litter, I'll shower you all with gifts".
it's a fine line.

Good luck, though, in your search.
One might guess you are flying in, to meet/use said motorhome and flying back out? When you say you don't have the time for setup or planning.
There may be help through the airport, too.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby junglesmacks » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:40 am

If the above story is the truth, I do apologize and recant for jumping to conclusions.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Savannah » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:47 am

Shiny, here's the thread Ygmir mentioned about why ePlayans find Plug & Play camping to be a hot button issue, if you want to know.
viewtopic.php?t=54822

I don't think anyone is holding out on you here. I've never seen anyone ask about RV delivery before.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby tkrobson » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:05 am

Thanks to those of you who helped... !
and Yes.. plug and play is what we were asking for.. we greatly respect those that make the Playa a wonderland and contribute to the journey of several Groups here in LA by attending local events! We also respect your right to choose how you enjoy BM either by RV or sleeping bag..
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby CornMan » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:21 am

The deal is that many here feel that when the proportion of people who come and observe the festival via plug & play accommodations gets high enough, then those who make Burning Man the alternative festival it is will stop making the effort, and it will become a mainstream weekend festival with commissioned art pieces and paid entertainers. That's ok with some people but not ok with others.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Savannah » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:24 am

There is no list or registry of Plug & Play. You're probably going to need to research that one beyond ePlaya.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby tkrobson » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:16 pm

Zeke, thanks for your explanation.. it saddens me that hate and anger come from some here because we prefer to pay and play...from a BM article: Mr. Harvey, now chairman of the organization that runs Burning Man, says he has no problems with participants who pay for services. One of the 10 principles is "radical inclusion," meaning everyone is welcome to attend, he says. He says he is spending this week in a camper, with food cooked for him, because he is 63 years old and it allows him to do his job more easily. < two of the people I am bringing for the first time are over 60..
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby CornMan » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:54 pm

Maybe you guys can get a few kegs of beer and a jockey box with ice, and wheel it to the open playa to gift with fellow Burning Man participants? Nobody is going to bash you when you're filling their cup with Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. You guys have the $$$, and gifting the beer should take just a few hours away from your week visiting BRC. You won't regret it - just make sure you give only to those 21 or older.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Dr. Pyro » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:16 pm

Zeke Chaparral wrote: Nobody is going to bash you when you're filling their cup with Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.


And now that SNPA is available in aluminum cans, why not make it really easy on yourselves (since that seems to be important) and just haul out five or six cases, ice them down with one of those huge Costco-sized ice chests (ice is for sale remember on the playa, $3/bag, 6 for $15), and then distribute them like Zeke suggested. If you need pointers on how to actually drink the stuff, might I recommend stopping by Barbie Death Camp & Wine Bistro first and we'll give you a personalized demonstration. I swear.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby Elliot » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:23 pm

:D
Shiny, you are redeeming yourself nicely by staying with the conversation. We get so many preposterous First Time Posters that we have become cynical and protective. A recent example was the gent who openly offered a free ticket in exchange for... eh... female companionship.

So a rather strict standard has evolved on this board. We expect First Time Posters to introduce themselves and their art projects, and perhaps participate a little in existing threads, before unloading their personal brainstorms on us. I wish we had a way to state this "social norm" on the front door.

There is nothing wrong with RVs or big money. It is all about the people and their participation. A few years ago I camped with a very wealthy fellow who, a year or two later, built the giant rectangular steel "skyscraper". It cost something approaching a million. The guy pays all BM expenses for a group of his employees, drives and maintains his Mutant Vehicle party bus, and so forth.

A few years ago, the starter went out in the above "rich guy's" MV in the middle of the week. The next morning a small jet landed with a professional mechanic, every tool known to Man, and a selection of new starters. Money can certainly be put to good use at BM.

The Burning Man "No-Spectators"-event has a problem with what we call tourists, spectators, lookie-loos, bucket-listers, and so forth. I have encountered some such folks, and concluded that they degrade and defile the very concept of the event. I hope you have not run into such people. And I hope you and your friends are not such people. They are not bad people -- they are simply in the wrong place.

Enough for now.
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Re: RV Rental / Playa Delivery

Postby knowmad » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:24 pm

GreyCoyote wrote:BM is also about tolerance and "do-your-own-thing", so Motorhomies are tolerated (if not exactly worshipped). They are the Fat Girl at the school dance. Everyone pretends they dont exist, and the party simply goes around them.

Wanna talk about pork-sushi at a bar mitzvah. Id rater spend eternity in the presence of a "Fat Girl" who has serenity and cuth than a minute in the presence of one so shallow as to see body shape as a prerequisite for sociability. to use the the words of my esteemed colleague Junglesmacks; Please go fuck yourself.

Also the suggestion of RV land being ideally F-and outward is complete BS. Try running a Bar on any street from E Manward and your experience will be lot's of folks who want to drink at your place VS. walking home to their neighborhood bar. Some of the biggest camps on the playa began out on the perimeter and year by year work their way inward as they gain resources and infrastructure, and along the way that also includes the desire and ability to share their personal resources, with their camp mates and the City and surprisingly enough that often includes R.V.s Also there are plenty of us that spend weeks, up to a month or more out there. And without Campers and RV's we'd never make it. equating RV.s with spectators and people in tents as participants is just as asinine.
The plug and Play community is something different in my view (perhaps others share it perhaps not) I see them as somewhat of urban blight. Parked end to end in large boxes excluding the public and enclosing their own gated communities. And I also know some one who has a large number of campers he brings to the play and rents out and have no issue with the way he operates because he does the following, A) he Provides low cost shelter for those working on Large Art projects during Pre-build. B) He informs the ORG exactly what it is he is doing and works with them and their recommendations/requests C) he also Respects the concept of Decomdification when he doesn't solicit here on Eplaya for clients. D) he doesn't Register as a cheesy theme camp that provides little more than a large block of RV's in one place to people who have the cash but not the time to organize their own scene. And last but not least he stays for Clean up weeks after everyone else. And that is the reason I told the OP to search elsewhere, less our online community becomes an EComerces zone for all forms of doushbaggery. brown paper-bag, word of mouth no slick websites, no profit margin or bottom line is the burner way.

and to the OP. it looks like you get the help you were looking for, but please next time you approach a group within the burner community. take the time to introduce yourself and familiarize yourself with what is going on, try to lead the conversation with an explanation of what you are attempting and hope to do. not with your needs. because to be self reliant also means to be self aware and aware of your surroundings and your neighbors. And work with it don't expect it to work for you just because you have the cash.
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