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street vs avenue - help!

Postby freeeeeman » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:56 am

i was filling out the placement questionnaire and it seems as though there's options for streets and avenues... but i can't find what the difference is anywhere on bm.com or on eplaya....

does anyone know? are "streets" the radials and "avenues" the spokes?

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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby FIGJAM » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:00 am

That would be my guess.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby TomServo » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:04 am

Good Question! My guess..and it's JUST a guess...The hours would be the streets.ie.. 10:00, 3:30, etc.. And the Named ones..Avenues. My guess is they are smart enough to figure it out, if you're wrong. Don't know the street or avenue names for this year, but here's an example...10:30 and Mars
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby TomServo » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:06 am

The Name streets have been alphabetical lately..so A, B, C, up to J I think
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby fritz » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:38 am

freeeeeman wrote: does anyone know? are "streets" the radials and "avenues" the spokes?

http://www.burningman.com/themecamps/20 ... -zone.html


The link you provided appears to answer the question. The Esplanade is described as the "first street." So I think that means the radials are streets.

3:00, 4:30, 7:30, and 9:00 are listed as "avenues." It likely means that the "spokes" are avenues.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby freeeeeman » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:42 am

yeah, that's what i'm thinking.
the placement questionnaire reads
... esplanade ... is the first street at the front

and
... avenues ... are high visibility & traffic locations on the radial streets


of course, they wrote "avenue" and described it as a "radial street"... lol....

i just wish the map showed it definitively so i could be sure when i click "submit"...
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby illy dilly » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:44 am

Well, shoot. I thought this explanation of the 2012 city layout might help, but clearly it references both numbered and lettered roads as Streets

http://www.burningman.com/preparation/maps/12_maps/#.UT9ohPWnf_8 wrote:In 2012, the annular streets are named:
Esplanade
Alyssum
Begonia
Columbine
Dandelion
Edelweiss
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Geranium
Hyacinth
Iris
Jasmine
Kingcup
Lilac

The road circling Center Camp is named “Rod's Road” in honor of BRC designer Rod Garrett (1936-2011).

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The distance from the inner-most Esplanade street to the Man is 2400 feet. Esplanade to Alyssum Street, curb to curb, is 400 feet deep. Other mid-city double-deep blocks are 430 feet deep. The remaining blocks are 200 feet deep.

BOULEVARD G
A mid-city interactive boulevard, 40-foot wide Geranium street is adjacent to double-deep blocks and features art plazas at 4:30 and 7:30.

Public plazas are at Kingcup and 3:00, 6:00, and 9:00. We are holding most of the camping space around these plazas unreserved and available for the general public to occupy and maintain as an experiment in spontaneous urban planning and collaboration.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby illy dilly » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:48 am

freeeeeman wrote:yeah, that's what i'm thinking.
the placement questionnaire reads
... esplanade ... is the first street at the front

and
... avenues ... are high visibility & traffic locations on the radial streets


of course, they wrote "avenue" and described it as a "radial street"... lol....

i just wish the map showed it definitively so i could be sure when i click "submit"...

In your camp description or notes (I haven't looked at the questionnaire for this year), describe where you want the frontage of your camp to be. Then on your camp layout, but it on there as well. We had a lot of luck with this approach for 2011 and 2012.

Example: "Our camp will have a grandiose and inviting entrance to everyone walking along _____ (3:00 or A)."
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:58 am

It's nice to see you use 3 ans A like that, illy.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby Just_Joe » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:20 pm

freeeeeman wrote:does anyone know? are "streets" the radials and "avenues" the spokes?


Yes.
Avenues are much more heavily traveled. If placed on one you will actually have a corner (or two).
Camp frontage becomes a little less defined on the spokes and I'd think that stuff left out would be more likely to *walk* away due to heavy traffic.
I prefer streets...
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby illy dilly » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:39 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:It's nice to see you use 3 ans A like that, illy.

Hey, some of the best camps are at 3 and A. :wink:
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby Dr. Pyro » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:02 pm

3:30 and E doesn't suck much either.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby TomServo » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:27 pm

West side BRC! Fuck 3 o clock!
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby illy dilly » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:40 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:3:30 and E doesn't suck much either.

O, I think we all know where THE BEST camp is.
But, the 3&A camps are definitely in the top 10.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby TomServo » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:45 pm

Too much Drama. must be the dust
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby gyre » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:51 pm

I don't know what the hell burning man means by avenue, but the purpose normally seems to be to delineate roads in one direction from roads going another direction in city planning.

Definitions say that an avenue is more heavily used, but I don't see that in practice in city use.

We have a church called the Widget Avenue Church on Widget Street.
This was a town before taken into the larger city.
The direction of avenues went from north-south to east-west.

In brc, heavy traffic can vary in direction, just like any city, so that's no help.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby illy dilly » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:12 pm

gyre wrote:I don't know what the hell burning man means by avenue, but the purpose normally seems to be to delineate roads in one direction from roads going another direction in city planning.

Um...
Thats exactly what Burning Man means by Avenue versus Street. :roll:
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby freeeeeman » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:29 pm

awesome. thanks all.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby knowmad » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:11 pm

gyre wrote:I don't know what the hell burning man means by avenue, but the purpose normally seems to be to delineate roads in one direction from roads going another direction in city planning....

Showing up to the playa could help?
but yeah, topic is covered. Can we declare this page two yet?
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby gyre » Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:23 pm

So I could learn to be an arrogant busyminded asshole if I wasn't 2,000 miles away, and could attend when You thought I should?

When did you ever cover my fucking expenses?

Go back to your gossip and fuck off.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby mgb327 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:47 pm

:roll: so typical.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby knowmad » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:21 pm

gyre wrote:So I could learn to be an arrogant busyminded asshole if I wasn't 2,000 miles away, and could attend when You thought I should?

When did you ever cover my fucking expenses?

Go back to your gossip and fuck off.
What a burner ideal to aspire to!


I still don't see anything but guesses posted.

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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby Eric » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:21 pm

Step it down before it gets ugly(er) kids.

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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:24 am

gyre wrote:So I could learn to be an arrogant busyminded asshole if I wasn't 2,000 miles away, and could attend when You thought I should?

When did you ever cover my fucking expenses?

Go back to your gossip and fuck off.
What a burner ideal to aspire to!


I still don't see anything but guesses posted.



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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby freeeeeman » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:56 am

Eric wrote:Step it down before it gets ugly(er) kids.

Thank you.


sorry eric. didn't mean to start a riot. my original message was actually to you and then i figured i'd spare you and just ask eplaya instead. whoops.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby BBadger » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:20 am

freeeeeman wrote:sorry eric. didn't mean to start a riot. my original message was actually to you and then i figured i'd spare you and just ask eplaya instead. whoops.


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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby trilobyte » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:11 am

All the roads are streets, with the following exceptions:

3:00, 4:30, 7:30, and 9:00 are Avenues. They're wider streets, and also have plazas on them.
The street whose name starts with G has evolved in the last couple years and is now thought of as a Boulevard. It's wider than the other 'lettered' streets to facilitate mutant vehicle traffic and connects with the 4:30 and 7:30 plazas.

When filling out the questionnaire (which I still have to get to), I believe you choose the general zone as outlined on the page the OP linked. From there, if you have a more specific placement request, make it (asking nicely, of course) in the comments/additional info field. Placement tries to accommodate peoples' requests, though the more specific or exacting you're looking for the less likely you are to get what you want. It's not because they're jerks and are trying to punish you for being demanding, it's that specific locations (ie such and such corner) limits the number of places they can put you. A more general request gives them dozens of opportunities to fit you into the neighborhood.

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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby freeeeeman » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:54 pm

awesome! thanks trilo. it might be a good idea for BMorg to update their picture/instructions in the questionnaire to have this info...
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby trilobyte » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:35 pm

The picture is accurate to what I said, save for Boulevard G. However that's still a relatively newer thing, and still being developed by Placement. I'm sure they'll update it as they reach the point where it becomes an integral part of the placement process.
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Re: street vs avenue - help!

Postby freeeeeman » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:10 pm

trilobyte wrote:The picture is accurate to what I said, save for Boulevard G. However that's still a relatively newer thing, and still being developed by Placement. I'm sure they'll update it as they reach the point where it becomes an integral part of the placement process.


yeah, it's just not as intuitive to those of us who didn't know there was a difference between a street, avenue & road prior to filling out the questionnaire. i'm glad you were able to help me out. thanks again.
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