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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Roark » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:53 pm

Elliot: you know why sheppards always wear robes?
A: Because sheep can hear a zipper a mile away. (((-ducking!-))) :mrgreen: :lol: :shock:
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby edbrez » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:05 pm

Elliot wrote:Robe, sheppard's crook and lantern, searching for an honest man.

Or carrying stone tablets.

Countless possibilities. But I had to work with the outfit and props I had readily available. Life is good. :D


Elliot you need to just consider this a bit more for the main event this year :D
Sheppard leading his herd of sparkle ponies/ravers to greener pastures
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby edbrez » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:07 pm

Roark wrote:Elliot: you know why sheppards always wear robes?
A: Because sheep can hear a zipper a mile away. (((-ducking!-))) :mrgreen: :lol: :shock:


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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Elliot » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:35 pm

Just realized I misspelled "shepherd". How embarrassing! :oops:

So....
edbrez wrote:Shepherd leading his herd of sparkle ponies/ravers to greener pastures

Maybe we can build a special flute and do the Pied Piper thing with hippies and ravers?
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Roark » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:58 pm

You realize of course that I mis-spelled it too as a form of gentle mocking. :mrgreen:

Just go with it. 8)
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:05 pm

edbrez wrote:Sheppard leading his herd of sparkle ponies/ravers to greener pastures

Well, not a shepherd. Horseherd? Equiherd? Master of Stable?
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Roark » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:08 pm

Take it from a Texan, Darlin: "Cowboy". Or a horseman. :)
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby gaminwench » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:15 pm

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Elliot » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:35 pm

Around here... muleskinner?
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby TT120 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:52 pm

Brilliant! Simple and brilliant.

bet I could ride it.......(about 2 feet)

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby canexplain » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:00 pm

The last couple of pages have cracked me up. Real ? I am a hippy I guess, but I have never felt good about taking anything from anyone. I feel I owe them and I shouldn't feel that way but so be it. ? is: Under the auspices of the vets and gifting: Is it a no no to not accept anything from anyone? I in turn will give you the shirt off my back, fuck I have 3 people living in my basement because they can't afford rent. Just wondering ............cr****
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:03 pm

i have one hard and fast rule...


stay the fuck away from me with your dirty hippy hugs.


seriously.


dont touch anyone unless you ask them first.


last person who snuck up on me got an elbow to the face by accident.


you, and every other newb have been warned.


this is NOT fucking rainbow.
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Elliot » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:07 pm

TT120 wrote:bet I could ride it.......(about 2 feet)
I cannot even push it -- it's so counter-intuitive. Maybe someone who has never-ever ridden a bicycle could do it.
Of course, anything can be done with enough practice. I'm pretty sure I have seen one of the Cyclecide guys ride theirs.
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby TT120 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:18 pm

canexplain wrote:The last couple of pages have cracked me up. Real ? I am a hippy I guess, but I have never felt good about taking anything from anyone. I feel I owe them and I shouldn't feel that way but so be it. ? is: Under the auspices of the vets and gifting: Is it a no no to not accept anything from anyone? I in turn will give you the shirt off my back, fuck I have 3 people living in my basement because they can't afford rent. Just wondering ............cr****

It's perfectly fine to say "no thank you" and smile when offered a gift but consider how you feel when you can gift someone else something that might mean a lot to you. You know that feeling, we all do. Maybe accept the gift and make the giver happy and then you can re-gift and make yourself happy. Win-Win.

Of course, every situation is different and you probably wont want to accept the bent bottlecap from the uber drunk shirt cocker staggering down the street, no matter how much "good luck" it will bring.
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Rice » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:22 pm

canexplain wrote:The last couple of pages have cracked me up. Real ? I am a hippy I guess, but I have never felt good about taking anything from anyone. I feel I owe them and I shouldn't feel that way but so be it. ? is: Under the auspices of the vets and gifting: Is it a no no to not accept anything from anyone? I in turn will give you the shirt off my back, fuck I have 3 people living in my basement because they can't afford rent. Just wondering ............cr****


The gifting culture at BM is good. I, however, sometimes do not accept the gifts that have been offered to me. Perhaps I have no way of carrying it. Or more likely, I do not have any use for the gift offered. I am always shocked at the amount of hostility I get when I do not accept a gift. Why would I take something that I am just going to throw away?? I is not a personal thing, my reasons for not accepting are quite practical...

A gift, is not a gift if it is forced on someone.

I guess, what I am saying is: Gifting is good, don't expect everyone to accept your gift.
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby theCryptofishist » Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:25 pm

Ditto, to Rice.

And canexplain, if you reverse it from Hippies do X, to We call the people who do X hippies, you might see more of what's going on. Like I said upthread, "hippies" are a threat to personal enjoyment of the burn. Imagine what day-to-day life with a lamprey is like... Okay, who wants to spend all year getting everything just so, and then someone who cannot or will not take care of themselves eat your food, drink your water, and otherwise sucks up all your attention because if you don't keep your eye on him/her s/he will break something.
And that is (one reason) why we hate hippies.
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Zhust » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:47 am

theCryptofishist wrote:And canexplain, if you reverse it from Hippies do X, to We call the people who do X hippies, you might see more of what's going on. Like I said upthread, "hippies" are a threat to personal enjoyment of the burn. Imagine what day-to-day life with a lamprey is like... Okay, who wants to spend all year getting everything just so, and then someone who cannot or will not take care of themselves eat your food, drink your water, and otherwise sucks up all your attention because if you don't keep your eye on him/her s/he will break something.
And that is (one reason) why we hate hippies.


So why co-opt a word that means something different? "Freeloader" is the word you're looking for.

My view (without consulting Wikipedia) is the 1960's Hippie movement was a tangential implementation of communism in which each individual brought the skills jee was good at and that jee enjoyed doing. But the necessary requirement of communism's social contract is that all individuals share their skills; hoarding (which is a healthy response to scarcity) is poison to that requirement. So the best the 1960's hippies offered was a realization of an abundant world, but they failed to realize that growing up believing in the artificial scarcity of capitalism in an abundant world led them to hoard their skills. Hence, the lazy hippie model that resulted.

So to me, hating hippies is like hating an abundant world of sharing; to say "we call lazy people hippies" is an insulting oversimplification.

(And in perusing the Wikipedia article, I don't think I'm that far off base, although I think only a tiny number of Hippies in the 1960's could characterize their lifestyle as such a direct political and social ideology.)
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Dr. Pyro » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:53 am

Zhust wrote:So to me, hating hippies is like hating an abundant world of sharing; to say "we call lazy people hippies" is an insulting oversimplification.


No it isn't. Get a job. Hippie. And damn it, try taking a bath once in awhile.
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby canexplain » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:14 pm

Tnx for the advice. Guess I suck as a hippie then. I just retired from a gov't job after 30 years. Never drew welfare my entire life but still have a sort of 60's mind. Well what mind I have. :) cr****
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:13 pm

in case you havent noticed, BOTH Hippies AND Cops smell funny.



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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby canexplain » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:25 pm

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Elliot » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:29 pm

Zhust wrote:"Freeloader" is the word you're looking for.

I agree. But it may be difficult to change an established usage. And then there is the apparent aversion to bathing and such, as Doc mentions.

Say, is "jee" a word of your own, or is it coming into general usage? It is certainly needed -- I've been using "they", which is rather awkward.
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby canexplain » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:33 pm

You wanna hear anal. People that hang with me know that I hate pronouns when referring to people. It's not she, it's Sue. It's not he, it's Bob. Told ya it was anal. Just saying .... cr****
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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Rice » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:47 pm

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:00 am

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby CornMan » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:00 pm

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby BBadger » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:17 pm

Zhust wrote:"Freeloader" is the word you're looking for.


The distinction I draw between a freeloader and a hippie is that while the former is content to take something for free, the latter will take something for free -- and simultaneously complain about who provides it.

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby ygmir » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:33 pm

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby 48_love » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:32 pm

BBadger wrote:
The distinction I draw between a freeloader and a hippie is that while the former is content to take something for free, the latter will take something for free -- and simultaneously complain about who provides it.


I witnessed this spare changing dead head shell of chick pull this off in grand fashion ... she was panhandling to some dudes with a nitrous balloon. They declined her request. She starts going off that if they had money for nitrous they should have some change. They told her someone had given it to them. So, she suggests they'd be happy to share the 'free' balloon. Much to her surprise, they handed the balloon over to her. She proceeded to suck a big 'ol hit and in a fully nitrous affected tone said: "this shit shit is full of sulphur".

And crashed to the ground Burger King cup of spare change spilling all over the parking lot. Her two companions took that moment to cuss her out and bail.

I just stood there wondering what had just happened.

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Re: whats with the hippie/raver hate

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:22 pm

Whether or not I put the quotes around "burner" I regard it as a provisional identity. However, do something enough and it becomes... familiar.

I think the event's origin in San Francisco of the 1980s goes a long way towards explaining why it was that particular word that was chosen... By that time it was long after the summer of love, and that was a shadow no alternative scene or counter culture wanted to be in. Also, I suspect there was a lot of punk influence...
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