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Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby sweetn8 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:26 pm

After comparing stories with other Burners who have had issues with "Fake Rangers" (people dressed similarly to Rangers, but who give out wrong information and/or harass random Burners) I am curious as to what the official Burning Man position is on this.

When you have people getting wrong information for medical emergencies, it goes beyond "not getting the spirit of the event". Radical Inclusion? Let everyone participate? Okay, but what about communal effort? Where is the civic responsibility? Is this the kind of participation we should emulate? Is this making Black Rock City a better place?
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Eric » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:48 pm

Hello new poster.

Do you have any specifics beyond "comparing stories" for this? Especially about the medical emergency part?

I've been going since '03, I've worked for a very popular paper out there, and we have contacts with lots of departments - while I've heard of people dressed "like rangers" (how hard is khaki to pull together?), I've never heard of a incident where someone gave false information in a medical emergency - doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but you need to put up a little more than vague references to "stories".
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Roark » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:05 pm

Eric: Since I've never been to BM (YET! heheheh), a serious question for you or anyone who isn't a comlete 'Noob like me: Do the Black Rock Rangers carry or display any type of an "official" credential? In other words, assuming this is even a problem, is there an instant way to tell?

Or is this really just one of those "out there" issues that don't need "fixing"?
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:55 pm

Black Rock Rangers have laminates. They don't necessarily show them to you, but I suppose if you asked. (They are worn around the neck anyway, as far as I remember). If they are on duty one of the pair, at least one of the pair, will carry a radio.

Luckily radio and laminate technology has not found it's way into the hands of the spoofers.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Bounce530 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:00 pm

Also luckily, nobody has ever sold Ranger shirts on Ebay, either.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Savannah » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:02 pm

sweetn8 wrote:After comparing stories with other Burners who have had issues with "Fake Rangers" (people dressed similarly to Rangers, but who give out wrong information and/or harass random Burners) I am curious as to what the official Burning Man position is on this.

When you have people getting wrong information for medical emergencies, it goes beyond "not getting the spirit of the event". Radical Inclusion? Let everyone participate? Okay, but what about communal effort? Where is the civic responsibility? Is this the kind of participation we should emulate? Is this making Black Rock City a better place?


If you have had issues with Rangers, or are not sure as to whether the people you were encountered were Rangers (or just random jerks in khaki) you should visit the Ranger website, ask questions, and give your feedback. The same goes for anyone else with concerns about Rangers. Genuine Rangers know exactly where Emergency Services locations are.

http://rangers.burningman.com/

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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Canoe » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:09 pm

Roark wrote:... Do the Black Rock Rangers carry or display any type of an "official" credential?...

Yes.
But you have to lift the utilikilt to see it.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:10 pm

Canoe wrote:
Roark wrote:... Do the Black Rock Rangers carry or display any type of an "official" credential?...

Yes.
But you have to lift the utilikilt to see it.

Nope, that's DPW again. And if they find out you confused them with Rangers, your days on this playa are numbered.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Canoe » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:16 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Canoe wrote:
Roark wrote:... Do the Black Rock Rangers carry or display any type of an "official" credential?...

Yes.
But you have to lift the utilikilt to see it.

Nope, that's DPW again. And if they find out you confused them with Rangers, your days on this playa are numbered.

Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby trilobyte » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:28 pm

Moving this over to Experiences At Burning Man, since that's a better fit. If you want to raise the issue with representatives of the Black Rock Rangers or the staff at Burning Man, please visit the appropriate page on the main site and contact the department directly.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Elliot » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:50 pm

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A few years ago, maybe 2006, there was a group of street performers who dressed up similar to BRC Rangers and accosted people with some sort of harassing stunt. I remember feeling confused and uncomfortable until I finally realized it was "performance art".

As in most U.S. jurisdictions, BM has a rule against Mutant Vehicles resembling emergency vehicles. I don't know if we have a rule against "impersonating an officer" as it is usually called, but I would be in favor of it. The work that Rangers and law enforcement do is too important to fart around with -- "crying wolf" and all that.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby 9ah » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:11 am

Never seen it happen... I know people set up shop at Playa Info at night and give out misinformation (unless it's a genuine emergency... Not a lost hat, more like an injured person or missing kid).... I mean if you don't bother to look up the PI hours of operation what do you expect....

I'm hoping folks that give out misinformation don't do it in real life safety issues.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby The CO » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:54 am

I've been mistaken for a ranger multiple times, once by an actual ranger. 2012 was the first time in 6 years that it didn't occur.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Ugly Dougly » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:23 pm

There are undercover Rangers, and they will administer playa corrections on False Rangers.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby theCryptofishist » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:26 pm

You make it sound so kinky, Dougly.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby JaronK » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:01 pm

Real rangers have clothing that actually says "Black Rock Ranger" on it and have laminates (which are on their necks). They've also got official event radios. Fake ones have names like "Black Rock Strangers" or "Black Cock Rangers" and don't have laminates or radios.

As for safety... well, the Black Cock Rangers stopped doing it because they started getting real emergency calls and realized they couldn't handle those. So it's an issue. But as long as the person is clearly joking, it's not against any rule to be a fake ranger. It's probably not a very good idea though.
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Re: Fake Rangers - Health and Safety Risk

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:13 pm

Plenty of people wear khaki shirts, shorts and boonie caps. When they offer advice (or whatever), most sparkle ponies don't look for a Ranger Badge.
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