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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby TomServo » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:18 pm

Roark wrote:Sorta funny: I was looking at the flyswatter and going "hey! I want one!". :)

That flyswatter has taken more lives than the Rifle or Shotgun!
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Roark » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:20 pm

"...My name is Tom Serco. I have a flyswatter. Prepare to die..."

I like it! :mrgreen:
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:59 pm

TomServo wrote:
Roark wrote:Sorta funny: I was looking at the flyswatter and going "hey! I want one!". :)

That flyswatter has taken more lives than the Rifle or Shotgun!


TS: I'd get the photo of that shotgun off here, pronto........just sayin............
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby TomServo » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:49 pm

ygmir wrote:
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Roark wrote:Sorta funny: I was looking at the flyswatter and going "hey! I want one!". :)

That flyswatter has taken more lives than the Rifle or Shotgun!


TS: I'd get the photo of that shotgun off here, pronto........just sayin............

Why? It was legal.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:53 pm

I am told that you can make your own sound suppressors, but the rules are very particular. Surprize!!
Verify this to your own satisfaction before doing.
I haven't researched it myself yet.

You must get the tax stamp and any other rules taken care of before building.
You cannot use this provision to purchase, though the rules are similar.
If you build it, you must do all modifications yourself.
They are no longer specific to a weapon, but are calibre specific, regardless of compatibility.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:56 pm

Was? not so sure. Maybe but I don't think now, that the pistol grip is ok. .......but I can easily be wrong.
ETA: I think I was thinking of overall length, which IIRC has to be 30" min.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:01 pm

The atf had modified and clarified some rules about lengths, seeming to contradict at times.

The underfolding kalashnikov can be shorter overall than the rules seem to say, due to the stock.
Minimum barrel length is unchanged.

It pays to very carefully read the rules.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Canoe » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:34 am

Someone was developing a suppressed shotgun, so it could be used for hunting in urban areas without disturbing people...
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby TomServo » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:03 am

ygmir wrote:Was? not so sure. Maybe but I don't think now, that the pistol grip is ok. .......but I can easily be wrong.
ETA: I think I was thinking of overall length, which IIRC has to be 30" min.


Was, as in I used to own it. Not anymore. It was 100% Legal. By 1/4" overall length and 1/4" barrel length. I kept a copy of the laws AND a tape measure in the case with it, at all times.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:16 am

TomServo wrote:
ygmir wrote:Was? not so sure. Maybe but I don't think now, that the pistol grip is ok. .......but I can easily be wrong.
ETA: I think I was thinking of overall length, which IIRC has to be 30" min.


Was, as in I used to own it. Not anymore. It was 100% Legal. By 1/4" overall length and 1/4" barrel length. I kept a copy of the laws AND a tape measure in the case with it, at all times.


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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby cowboyangel » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:05 pm

[edit: video link removed. Linking to something showing illegal firearm technology isn't allowed on ePlaya anymore than linking to videos on making illegal drugs is. -Eric]

the poster, me, does not in any way condone, promote or encourage the implementation of any device resembling or functioning as depicted in the above YouTube video. Only fully legal firearm technology is supported in these blog pages.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Sail Man » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:36 pm

Roark wrote:True story: Last time I was pulled over by the local cop (singular, we have *one*, only!) she asked me if I was carrying. I told her I was. Her replay was precious: "Good. I always like to know who my back-up is".


I work with local PD daily in my job and they admit while driving down the road running license plates to troll for people to pull over. One of the things that comes up is whether or not somebody has a CPL, concealed pistol license. One of them mentioned to me how much he enjoys seeing how many have them as he feels the same as your local officer.

Of course there are the asshat cops who abhor the thought of "the commoners" having weapons with them. Or even more so, the civilians that own the "assault weapons" as they love to wail about. They generally don't like my answer :wink:

I may not go quietly into the night, but I sure as hell will be hiding in it if they try and grab em.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Sail Man » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:39 pm

cowboyangel wrote:[edit: video link removed. Linking to something showing illegal firearm technology isn't allowed on ePlaya anymore than linking to videos on making illegal drugs is. -Eric]

the poster, me, does not in any way condone, promote or encourage the implementation of any device resembling or functioning as depicted in the above YouTube video. Only fully legal firearm technology is supported in these blog pages.

Love, cowboyangel


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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Sail Man » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:51 pm

Latest acquisition. Rock River Arms AR-15, the Attache Kit. Breaks down and goes back together in 10 seconds. Post-Newtown purchase, the seller did not gouge and/or raise prices on this and mags.

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Barrel shroud reminds me of my DPMS LR-308. I guess she can be the little sister to Tasha :wink:
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Eric » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:58 pm

I just want to make an Moderators note - have at it in here with the guns, but linking to videos showing how to get around the law (or discussing how to) isn't allowed on ePlaya anymore than discussions how to get around drug laws are (ie: not at all). There are plenty of places on the web to do that.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby tatonka » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:00 pm

My fav weapon , was in service 502 M.P. co ft hood tx. Carried one all the time .
Also have my grandpas 45-70 , and a Dixie mt .50 cal muzzleloader.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby cowboyangel » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:06 pm

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found this on Annonymous' timeline.......now that's what I'd call a well defended workstation.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby cowboyangel » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:07 pm

Eric wrote:I just want to make an Moderators note - have at it in here with the guns, but linking to videos showing how to get around the law (or discussing how to) isn't allowed on ePlaya anymore than discussions how to get around drug laws are (ie: not at all). There are plenty of places on the web to do that.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:11 pm

What was in the video?
I can't get them to run, mostly.
Curious as to the specifics.

Knowing how to do things is not the same as doing them.
The atf is fairly specific about those lines in most cases.

I know I have to study how to make rifles automatic, in order to avoid doing so.
Same thing applies to pyro, as there are small differences between pretty and explosive sometimes, legal and illegal.
You have to know how things work, to get results you want.

And different laws apply in different cases and locations.

Knowing how to do things is not a crime or a conspiracy to commit a crime.
I have books on suppressors, demolition, etc, etc, all legal.
As example, if I build a suppressor it is illegal.
If I buy a permit and build one, it is legal.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby TomServo » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:22 pm

BATF has already required, that military Style Rifles be unable to convert to full auto. Waste of bullets and a nice gun, IMHO! And you may die in the process. Learn how to Bump fire.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:30 pm

We're building rifles.
Have to know what we're doing.

We do crank fire, etc, but of course it's much slower.
I have pleanty of friends that own assault rifles.
I can't afford the ammo at those rates though, or the rifles. (typically $20,000)
One of these days I'll rent one to play with.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby TomServo » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:01 pm

I thought it was funny, how the media uses the military designation of certain firearms, as propaganda. Facebook too! Here is the first, in my series of new "assault weapons."

This is the BB-FL88. It's a Blunderbuss, flintlock version, developed in or about 1788

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Box Burner » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:50 pm

that is my kind if gun. I hunt with a flintlock. The only kind of rifle I like to shoot. Nothing like a white cloud of smoke and the smell of sulphur on a clear mountain morning.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Eric » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:05 am

cowboyangel wrote:
Eric wrote:I just want to make an Moderators note - have at it in here with the guns, but linking to videos showing how to get around the law (or discussing how to) isn't allowed on ePlaya anymore than discussions how to get around drug laws are (ie: not at all). There are plenty of places on the web to do that.

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sorry, thought my disclaimer covered it.


It doesn't.From the ToS, listing things you agree not to post on ePlaya:
ToS wrote:You agree not to use the Service to:

upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content that provides instructional information about illegal activities such as making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone's privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses;


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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby TomServo » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:27 am

The infamous M-22

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:12 am

I still have no idea what was on the video, but many unusual weapons and modifications are legally manufactured even though the average person cannot legally manufacture them.
Special licensing still allows this for guns.
There is no similar analog for drugs, so they are not comparable in that respect.
Such licensing would allow me to build my rifles in select fire, as they were originally manufactured, as an example.

In single fire, an AK build is legal in the free world, but as to location, federally legal in california, but illegal under state law.
The .30 calibre rifles of WWII, much higher power, are quite welcome in california, naturally.

I think M16 and AR15 rifles have much more fundamental differences from one another, but it's been some time since I took any apart.
Kalashnikov and many others are identical above the receiver.
A common warning when building a new receiver for an AK is the holes for the autosear.
You can make a lot of mistakes when building one, but if you copy the original mounting holes exactly, and accidentally drill the holes for the autosear, you must destroy the receiver.
This is a common error.
It may not be logical, but the atf focuses on the receiver, defined at an early stage.
Having the original parts, including autosear but excluding the receiver, or buying and selling them, is perfectly legal.
Other countries may allow original receivers, but ban autosears.

That's just an example.
There is no direct comparison in drugs that I can think of, though we often warn people of stupid stuff to not do, such as assuming their cards will matter in nevada, etc.

I don't know if any of this is relevant to the video, but thought the difference in rules worth pointing out.
In my city, it is illegal to fire a handgun under most circumstances.
In the next county, you are required to fire rifles within 300 yards of your own property.
Other than safety, no restrictions apply.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:58 am

TomServo wrote:I thought it was funny, how the media uses the military designation of certain firearms, as propaganda. Facebook too! Here is the first, in my series of new "assault weapons."

This is the BB-FL88. It's a Blunderbuss, flintlock version, developed in or about 1788

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That looks like the RR variant, made for pirates. ;)
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:35 am

TomServo wrote:The infamous M-22

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if you ever told me, I had to pick one gun, to survive and last with, and carry a lifetimes ammo for, it'd be that, or a variant model.
.22 LR, or .22WMR. Ammo lasts forever, due to better seal of case. Plenty of power for all things, with good marksmanship, and, you can carry a years ammo in a pouch.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby TomServo » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:42 am

ygmir wrote:
TomServo wrote:The infamous M-22

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if you ever told me, I had to pick one gun, to survive and last with, and carry a lifetimes ammo for, it'd be that, or a variant model.
.22 LR, or .22WMR. Ammo lasts forever, due to better seal of case. Plenty of power for all things, with good marksmanship, and, you can carry a years ammo in a pouch.


Marlin .22 was my very first rifle!
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby TomServo » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:03 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
TomServo wrote:I thought it was funny, how the media uses the military designation of certain firearms, as propaganda. Facebook too! Here is the first, in my series of new "assault weapons."

This is the BB-FL88. It's a Blunderbuss, flintlock version, developed in or about 1788

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That looks like the RR variant, made for pirates. ;)
Best paired with a SP-43 Cutlass pirate assault sword.


I personally like the SP-43M broad cutlass

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