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Postby Crunchy Mama 2 » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:52 am

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I know there were signs up while the band performed at Venice Carnavale 2003, and I was told at the time that the band did same some sort of deal or promotion with them.

I'm thinking that if it looks like a camel and smells like a camel and its nose is pokin' in the tent...


Howdie,
Just to clarify, we have never had a deal with Monster - no $$ or sponsorship. Several of their employees who are fans (and give us free cases of drinks) are still trying to get us some kind of sponsorship or deal-but nothing has happened to date. Yes, in the past at a few specific shows like Venice we put up some of their signs and staged photographs to start a dialog of getting some kind of sponsorship, but alas, nothing came of it other than getting us hooked on their libations, (which we do like by the way). Who knows, we might someday as they're starting to look to next year finances.

And for Ivy, nothin but respect for you - you speak your mind and it's a beautiful thing.

And speaking of camels....do you remember a few years ago when the camels were on the playa and crapped all over? Some gigsville and sindicate members made canapes (sp?) out of them and send over a platter or hors devoures made out of their own camel moop. Though the joke was divulged before any of it was ingested, it made a great point that moop is moop. Even if it came out of a camel's ass. Too bad they got bent out of shape and most of them didn't get the point that they have to clean up after allll their responsible moop.

Oh well, the video we shot of it is a gutbuster.
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Postby Bob » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:24 am

Great. Just great. Due to the undisputed coolness factor of small-label soda pops, this eplaya thread now constitutes a de facto endorsement by the LLC.

Next thing you know, they'll name the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum after it.

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Postby dman » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:40 am

Wait, wait, I thought the coliseum deal was with that jobs site...
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Postby dj big E » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:29 am

All week long I was force fed vodkas and redbull all over the playa. At least 5-6 a day . And believe me i was at plenty of bars. I am pissed thoe whoever was in charge of product placement of the monster drinks blew it. I was all over the playa consuming vodka and energy drinks and no one offered me a monster drink, fuckers. I do believe tecate thoe planned out a good strategy thoe. Hmmmmmm lets put out 30 packs of canned ok beer and we'll put it on sale just before bm. Lmao We had 5 cases ourselves for three people. Them tecate people are onto something. Mater of fact i am going to contact them and see if nekt year the 30 packs could have little wooden kegs instead of cans so we can burn them. Lmao Lmfao Life is a logo so make one lol.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:29 am

Since I love the vision (environmental nightmare though it may be) of a ship's mast burning as it slips into the water, I'll never really approve of any deal for naming rights there. That being said, Monster is sort of a curve buster in the stadium name world. Eat yer heart out, Staples Center!
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Postby dj big E » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:31 am

By the way any of you people that are so bent about " product placement" . Did any of you go up and say anything during the event. Or did you just wait to get home and whine on e-playa. So anyways how does a monster and vodka taste . lol
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Postby dj big E » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:32 am

The las vegas monorail by the way is a piece of crap and has literally been falling apart. And is currently not in service lol
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Postby Big trout » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:24 pm

Hey dj big E tard. Maybe your " who cares" additude is what is happening to Burning man all together. If you cant beat 'em join 'em right? I reaaly could care less about your opinions, But what I do care about is the fact BM is losing ground to an otherwise world plauge of Big bisuness. Burning man was one of those places that you didnt have to have your guard up from judgemental yuppie fucks, Alpha male BS and Advertisments. It was a oasis in a otherwise consumer MTV pepsi enema world. Maybe your taking the VIP room into social/spiritual destruction. But I'm not.
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Postby geekster » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:30 pm

sheesh ... they were having this same argument 5 years ago.



Lollapalooziation: The supposed increasing commercialization of Burning Man. Especially popular among old-school Burning Man veterans. Yeah, I remember Burning Man before all the Lollapalooziation set in.

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Postby stuart » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:09 pm

correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there less vending at BM now than there was in the mid-late 90s?
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Postby Bob » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:34 pm

stuart wrote:correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there less vending at BM now than there was in the mid-late 90s?


Vending of what? Coffee? Ice? Indian tacos? Crane services? Snorkel-lifts? Skid-steer loaders? Golf carts? Water? RV septic service? Portable office buildings? Trucking? Mega-watt generators?
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Postby geekster » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:36 pm

Well, I didn't see any in 04 except the stuff at center camp. Most of the traffic so far in this thread looks like sour grapes for one reason or another. So far it pretty much looks like a bash Mutaytor session but so far I can't see why. What Mutaytor has or hasn't done at other venues has nothing to do with BRC. I saw both of their shows (albeit it only briefly on burn night) and saw nothing commercial. In fact there aren't going to BE any more so I can't see what the fuss is about. It isn't like any conversation here is going to have any impact on Mutaytor as far as BRC goes so it is pretty much just babble.

I also saw no commercialism or vending at Club Destino. I DID see some Monster drink out for people to have but other people at other camps were also giving away commercial drinks without covering the containers so that is also a non-starter as far as issues go. Maybe we should start the rumor that Burning Man is sponsored by Tacate because I saw so many people drinking it.

So far what I have seen is someone make the allegation that Club Destino is sponsored by Monster, they explained that they are not sponsored by them and the rest of the conversation is trying to stir up people's emotions. To what end, I haven't been able to determine because I don't see any suggestions ... just complaints.
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Postby blyslv » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:41 pm

dj big E -- next year you and me got a foster's franchise! we're a-gonna cover the playa with 25 oz. cans. We will get 1/100 a cent per oil can consumed.

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Postby Big trout » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:03 pm

By all means its not that Clan Destino had monsters avaiable to share ( I like how you guys change other peoples words around). Its about Big bisuness showing up thru the back door of BM. Please feel free to quote me, But dont mix my words around like im an idiot. I heard what I heard from a member of Clan Destino. I didnt even ask for the info. I did enjoy those piticular people, They were nice and hospitable the one night I was there. Now if you think its all funny and stupid that I brought this to attention, Shame on you! You dont even have a clue of what BM is. Its about as funny as me pissing in a batch of punch and serving it to you. That wouldnt be funny now would it??
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Postby zeigen » Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:37 pm

Big trout, you start out by asserting with the very thread title that "Clan Destino is sponsored by Monster." People tell you that's not true, and make some convincing eyewitness arguments about their behavior being appropriate and no different from anyone else who has drinks they gave away. And then the camp members themselves come here and say the sponsorship is not true. But you say that people are twisting YOUR words and reality around? That's not right, man. You made an assertion and the facts just don't hold up.

I never saw Clan Destino this year and never saw the Monster truck. If not for your thread I wouldn't have known about it or been exposed to the Monster brand. So for me, YOU did more advertising of Monster than I ever saw from Clan Destino.
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Postby giantmonster » Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:23 pm

soft marketing sucks. it's much more powerful than direct promotion and sponsorship because it's so subtle. it sounds like regardless of intention that's what happened with monster & clan destino.

rather than argue and namecall with the people on this thread, the point of the topic to me is just being responsible. there is no way i would turn down access & use of a refrigerated truck full of energy drinks for burning man. think of all you could provide to your campmates and nearby camps? hell, think of you just relaxing in a refrigerated truck: nice! but there is also no way i would drive that truck without making sure the logo was COMPLETELY covered or painted over. that would be the very least of my responsibilities. to me it's not about looking a gift horse in the mouth - it's about being responsible to the rules (and the spirit) of burning man first.

sorry to hear that happened. had i seen the monster truck & it's glorious logo i would have been bummed out - and then i would have offered to help cover up that logo so i could hang out in all it's monster-sized refrigeration. hells yeah! but soft marketing is the future of burning man as surely as ticket prices being higher next year. i think it's just too hard to resist (not just for burners but for the inner circle BRC organziers as well).

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Postby Bob » Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:57 pm

What a bunch of horse crap.
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Postby geekster » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:14 pm

well, as has been stated here by several people INCLUDING their neighbors. They DID have it covered upon entry and all during the event. They evidently took off the covers just before leaving.
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Postby Playa Face » Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:46 pm

Hey I liked them and they seemed to not really push any monsters on me. I hung out with them 3 different nights. We played dice games, shoot the shit and meet some nice peeps in the streamline trailer of thiers. But I do agree with one thing. Burning man is changing and is taking on a different face.
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Postby sparkletarte » Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:16 am

This thread seems like the most advertising that Monster is getting. I still don't even know what the stuff is...aside from some energy drink...

I find the argument that they 'should have waited until they left before removing their truck ad cover' silly. What, so they could pull over on that narrow highway, take it off and have people yell at them for pulling over on the side of the road and blocking traffic?
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Trout and his assertions

Postby El Dutche » Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:57 pm

Grettings Eplaya denizens...
My name is Dutch. I am a founding member of the Clan Destino, and after hearing about this thread at Decom, I decided to respond to set the record straight.

Lets start with the obvious:
The Clan Destino is NOT SPONSORED BY MONSTER, or hansen's, or anyone else.
We are not a corporation, an LLC, or organized for profit for any reason.
We are a group of veteran Burners and general freaksters who like to push our creative boundaries.

Anyone who knows us or has followed our groups activities or attended our events would know that we would NEVER forfeit the non-commercial nature of Burning Man or the GIFT economy. Unlike many other groups, our art cars and lounges hand out free drinks, alcoholic and otherwise, all year long, not just on the Playa. We gave away $800 worth of vodka at our last party before BM 2004 alone.

Here is the real story behind the truck:
Let me start by telling you all that a few of the top people at Hansen's are burners. They dont camp with Clan Destio, are not affiliated with us, but they are out there on the playa participating with you.
One of our core members works for hansen's, and those folks, in the spirit of the gift economy, have given us drinks to use as mixers at our bars in the past. Frankly, I think they taste disgusting, but that's beside the point. The fact of the matter is that after a series of financial loses, authorities interfering with our events, etc this year, the Clan Destino was left without the funds to purchase all of our needs in terms of infrastructure: generators, chords, lighting etc. Those folks at hansen's, who have enjoyed our performances and guiding philosophy, offered us the use of the monster truck. I can assure you that it wasnt offered in a cynical soft marketing fashion. It wasnt conditional on handing out a bunch or energy drinks or hyping the company.

We debated, fiercely, about it for many weeks. I, and others, were completely opposed to the idea. But we are a democracy, and after our chaos engineers inspected it and said it could be used effectively, we voted to do so.
We, and the folks at hansens, knew it would have to be de-logoed. And that was attempted, but sand storms and hell bent winds arent the easiest environment to work with you know. And I must say that I was extremely distressed when I rode my bike home one day to see the truck leaving in an undisguised fashion, but it was thought this would be safest, rather than doing so on the side of the road.

My apologies if it ruined Burning Man for any of you.

That's the end of my explanations, and now, here is a rant:

This kind of e forum bitching is truly pathetic. Trout, neither you nor anyone else complained about this issue on the Playa, nor do you offer any solutions. And whoever you spoke with was NOT a part of Clan Destino. You say you enjoyed our company and our drinks, then you bitch? A long and incomplete search through the threads does not reaveal anybody who is bashing our neighbors one block down, who brought TWO Ryder semi trucks and didnt cover the logos at all. And I wont go in to all the discussion, that everybody has already mentioned, about the pervasiveness of logos at Burning Man, on containers, vehicles, backpacks and camping gear, water bottles. You are truly naive if you think it is a commercial free zone. We try our best, and the Clan Destino trys harder than most, but it is unavoidable. What is worse, giving your money to a corporation by buying a bunch of beer and soda to give away, or getting it for free and giving it away? If one of your campmates could get you all rental cars or free grocceries or camping gear or whatever because they worked for a company, would you turn it down? I have given away labeled organic produce (that I grew)in the past, does this mean my farm was sponsoring my group?

The fact of the matter is that without that truck, which was given freely to us to use, we would not have had the space to haul up all of our equipment, that 50' bamboo poles to build our structures, the juice to run all the lights and DJ equipment, and air conditioner for the Silver Streak Lounge. We wouldnt have had a changing room/prep area for the performers, wouldnt have been able to put on 3 incredible shows, which entertained and inspired thousands of our fellow Burners, in such a grand fashion.

I am sure that if you spoke with any of our friends and collaborators within Gigsville, The Mutaytor, The Tuna Guys, The Chaos Bar Car, the Blue Buddha, Space Cowboys, that dangerous Viking Ship, the Eggchair/Beirgarten kids, and individuals in Moontribe13, El Circo, and a host of other camps, not to mention the BLM and the fine people that put Burning Man on, that they would vouch for our integrity and dedication to the vision of Burning Man as a community.

I had a difficult year. Bikes, costumes, and equipment were stolen from us. People grafettied our bamboo art. Alcohol was stolen. But the Burners that I respect the most enjoyed our camp and commended our efforts. Yeah things have changed in the last seven years I have been going to the Burn. Talk to my crew that have been going since 92 to see what the have to say about change. Its unavoidable, but it doesnt have to be negative. And here's the bottom line for me: When you people who are complaining about us get on the Esplanade, spend out of pocket(conservatively) $70,000 putting on a theme camp for three years, entertain with circus performances, dance, fire, music, etc, several fab art cars, an air conditioned lounge, AND give away 1000's of dollars worth of beer, vodka, soda, wine, and water - and then haul it all home with all the trash that the observers left at your camp - then I might take your complaints more seriously.

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Trout and his assertions

Postby El Dutche » Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:02 pm

Grettings Eplaya denizens...
My name is Dutch. I am a founding member of the Clan Destino, and after hearing about this thread at Decom, I decided to respond to set the record straight.

Lets start with the obvious:
The Clan Destino is NOT SPONSORED BY MONSTER, or hansen's, or anyone else.
We are not a corporation, an LLC, or organized for profit for any reason.
We are a group of veteran Burners and general freaksters who like to push our creative boundaries.

Anyone who knows us or has followed our groups activities or attended our events would know that we would NEVER forfeit the non-commercial nature of Burning Man or the GIFT economy. Unlike many other groups, our art cars and lounges hand out free drinks, alcoholic and otherwise, all year long, not just on the Playa. We gave away $800 worth of vodka at our last party before BM 2004 alone.

Here is the real story behind the truck:
Let me start by telling you all that a few of the top people at Hansen's are burners. They dont camp with Clan Destio, are not affiliated with us, but they are out there on the playa participating with you.
One of our core members works for hansen's, and those folks, in the spirit of the gift economy, have given us drinks to use as mixers at our bars in the past. Frankly, I think they taste disgusting, but that's beside the point. The fact of the matter is that after a series of financial loses, authorities interfering with our events, etc this year, the Clan Destino was left without the funds to purchase all of our needs in terms of infrastructure: generators, chords, lighting etc. Those folks at hansen's, who have enjoyed our performances and guiding philosophy, offered us the use of the monster truck. I can assure you that it wasnt offered in a cynical soft marketing fashion. It wasnt conditional on handing out a bunch or energy drinks or hyping the company.

We debated, fiercely, about it for many weeks. I, and others, were completely opposed to the idea. But we are a democracy, and after our chaos engineers inspected it and said it could be used effectively, we voted to do so.
We, and the folks at hansens, knew it would have to be de-logoed. And that was attempted, but sand storms and hell bent winds arent the easiest environment to work with you know. And I must say that I was extremely distressed when I rode my bike home one day to see the truck leaving in an undisguised fashion, but it was thought this would be safest, rather than doing so on the side of the road.

My apologies if it ruined Burning Man for any of you.

That's the end of my explanations, and now, here is a rant:

This kind of e forum whining is truly pathetic. Trout, neither you nor anyone else complained about this issue on the Playa, nor do you offer any solutions. And whoever you spoke with was NOT a part of Clan Destino. You say you enjoyed our company and our drinks, then you bitch? A long and incomplete search through the threads does not reaveal anybody who is bashing our neighbors one block down, who brought TWO Ryder semi trucks and didnt cover the logos at all. And I wont go in to all the discussion, that everybody has already mentioned, about the pervasiveness of logos at Burning Man, on containers, vehicles, backpacks and camping gear, water bottles. You are truly naive if you think it is a commercial free zone. We try our best, and the Clan Destino trys harder than most, but it is unavoidable. What is worse, giving your money to a corporation by buying a bunch of beer and soda to give away, or getting it for free and giving it away? If one of your campmates could get you all rental cars or free grocceries or camping gear or whatever because they worked for a company, would you turn it down? I have given away labeled organic produce (which I grew)in the past, does this mean my farm was sponsoring my group?

The fact of the matter is that without that truck, which was given freely to us to use, we would not have had the space to haul up all of our equipment, that 50' bamboo poles to build our structures, the juice to run all the lights and DJ equipment, and air conditioner for the Silver Streak Lounge. We wouldnt have had a changing room/prep area for the performers, wouldnt have been able to put on 3 incredible shows, which entertained and inspired thousands of our fellow Burners, in such a grand fashion.

I am sure that if you spoke with any of our friends and collaborators within Gigsville, The Mutaytor, The Tuna Guys, The Chaos Bar Car, the Blue Buddha, Space Cowboys, that dangerous Viking Ship, the Eggchair/Beirgarten kids, and individuals in Moontribe13, El Circo, and a host of other camps, not to mention the BLM and the fine people that put Burning Man on, that they would vouch for our integrity and dedication to the vision of Burning Man as a community.

I had a difficult year. Bikes, costumes, and equipment were stolen from us. People grafettied our bamboo art. Alcohol was stolen. But the Burners that I respect the most enjoyed our camp and commended our efforts. Yeah things have changed in the last seven years I have been going to the Burn. Talk to my crew that have been going since 92 to see what the have to say about change. Its unavoidable, but it doesnt have to be negative. And here's the bottom line for me: When you people who are complaining about us get on the Esplanade, spend out of pocket(conservatively) $70,000 putting on a theme camp for three years, entertain with circus performances, dance, fire, music, etc, several fab art cars, an air conditioned lounge, AND give away 1000's of dollars worth of beer, vodka, soda, wine, and water - and then haul it all home with all the trash that the observers left at your camp - then I might take your complaints more seriously.

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Postby sparkletarte » Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:22 pm

Personally, I am amazed and stunned at efforts people go to to create these incredible places in BRC. When I tell people, they can't even fathom people putting that much effort into creating something purely to share and for other people to enjoy.

I'm sponsered by Red Bull, and vanilla Stoli. Why is no one giving me a hard time about that?
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Postby stuart » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:57 am

rock on with your bad selves


BTW

all the video that was next door to Clan Destino was produced with the aid of Disney computers and software and cheap mexican crank. Thanks Mike!
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Postby SilkenTofu » Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:42 pm

stuart wrote:BTW

all the video that was next door to Clan Destino was produced with the aid of Disney computers and software and cheap mexican crank. Thanks Mike!


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Postby Playa Face » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:39 pm

Hey I think you guys put on a crazy effort for the burn this year!! I myself helped ran a way smaller camp with less responsibilities and was having a hard time. Me and my girl donated 2 1.75 liters of stolie for you guys. You did a great job, Especialy your two bartenders in the lounge. Thanx for the beautiful bamboo structure also. Dutch your a inspiration.
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Postby Tancorix » Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:27 am

After reading El Dutche's post, for me this issue is closed. I grumbled about seeing the Monster energy drink truck, but now that I know the backstory....the old saying of having a tempest in a teapot applies to this thread. If I was in the same situation having had my off-playa fund raising events KO'd by LEO's and had this offer come along...and they knew the truck would be de-logoed, I'd jump too.

El Dutche, thanks for the explanation. I feel bad for the comments I've said online and off about Camp Destino, and I hope the camp comes back in 05 and has a better time getting ready for the event and has a good burn as well. Also having the insight into what goes into a successful theme camp is invaluable and makes me appreciate the camps even more.
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Re: Trout and his assertions

Postby playasnake » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:06 am

El Dutche wrote:I am sure that if you spoke with any of our friends and collaborators within Gigsville, The Mutaytor, The Tuna Guys, The Chaos Bar Car, the Blue Buddha, Space Cowboys, that dangerous Viking Ship, the Eggchair/Beirgarten kids, and individuals in Moontribe13, El Circo, and a host of other camps, not to mention the BLM and the fine people that put Burning Man on, that they would vouch for our integrity and dedication to the vision of Burning Man as a community.


yes i would.

and El Dutche... congrats. you havent "made it" as a big camp until you've been trashed/slandered/heckled/called-out on this board.

and for those of you crying wolf, (or the sky is falling)... how do you survive in the real world. i like to think of the crap you are spewing as intellectual moop... but intellectual really is too big a word for the folks im thinking of.
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Postby Alpha » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:02 pm

crying wolf



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