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Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Frizzboom » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:01 pm

I know you learn more from mistakes than from success, but dang success the first try is just sooo much sweeter. This was a trial set up anyway, I knew we had weather coming in so I checked on it in the wind, great! The tarp was a little loose, but I figured a little adjustment next time would it would be perfect. Well the "loose" created a small puddle between ribs and that grew, anyway there was about 300 pounds of water on there. Learn from my fail- Ribs on 10foot centers is too far and make sure the tarp is tight.

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It popped almost all the way back up after the water was removed.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby junglesmacks » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:34 pm

Yessssss... I've learned this lesson the hard way with boat covers here in FL. If it's ANYTHING but completely taught, then water will catch it.. and make a little puddle.. which will make a bigger puddle.. and bigger puddle..

At least rain is one element that you don't need to overly worry about at TTITD.


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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Jackass » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:42 pm

Ribs on 5ft centers is the norm, and much sturdier.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:08 pm

*I want everyone to know that I'm restraining myself by not correcting an homonym error*
(Of course, the only reason "homonym" is spelled correctly is that I have spellcheck.)
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby TT120 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:08 am

theCryptofishist wrote:*I want everyone to know that I'm restraining myself by not correcting an homonym error*
(Of course, the only reason "homonym" is spelled correctly is that I have spellcheck.)

Wouldn't it be "a" homonym error?

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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby graidawg » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:36 am

TT120 wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:*I want everyone to know that I'm restraining myself by not correcting an homonym error*
(Of course, the only reason "homonym" is spelled correctly is that I have spellcheck.)

Wouldn't it be "a" homonym error?

(Sorry, couldn't resist)


I considered that too but as "H" is usually relatively silent then an is often used such "an hotel" although when americans say "erb" instead of "herb" it drives me batshit
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby mgb327 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:55 am

Grai, relax, have some erb and enjoy...
I am going to have some pie with cool-wHip on it.

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TT120 wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:*I want everyone to know that I'm restraining myself by not correcting an homonym error*
(Of course, the only reason "homonym" is spelled correctly is that I have spellcheck.)

Wouldn't it be "a" homonym error?

(Sorry, couldn't resist)


I considered that too but as "H" is usually relatively silent then an is often used such "an hotel" although when americans say "erb" instead of "herb" it drives me batshit
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby some seeing eye » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:35 am

I used 2' centers. The cost of 3/4" schedule 40 pipe is negligible, and it's usable for sprinklers and underground wiring at home or for resale.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby MyDearFriend » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:29 am

I use aluminet (on 4 huts now) which sheds rain and wind and is much much cooler in the daytime than any tarp. Aluminet is way lighter to pack and much easier to work with; it does not shred or rip and is very forgiving in terms of fit.

I do not understand why anybody would use a tarp, really. The tarps that are cheaper than aluminet are the ones that shred, collapse and/or fly away. :?
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby trilobyte » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:51 am

MyDearFriend - aluminet is awesome (and I'm looking forward to using it with a project for 2013), but it's also about double the cost per square foot of a heavy duty silver on silver tarp.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Rice » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:04 pm

trilobyte wrote:MyDearFriend - aluminet is awesome (and I'm looking forward to using it with a project for 2013), but it's also about double the cost per square foot of a heavy duty silver on silver tarp.

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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Frizzboom » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:46 pm

Is the aluminet waterproof? I'am not seeing it online in a water proof version. My monkey hut is going to be 2 month storage during construction. the silver heavyduty tarp is doing well. Thanks.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:03 pm

It's camouflage netting. Pretty much by definition, it's not waterproof. It's really nice shade, however, and the wind blows through it, instead of it becoming a sail.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby tamarakay » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:15 pm

We used 90% shade cloth on 1/2 the big hut 75% on the other half. On the Dye shop it was an 80%shade cloth with a tie-dyed parachute underneath. It was fabulous shade. You could tell a marked difference in temp walking from the 75% side into the 90% side.

Tarps are good, but they tend to hold heat in. Shade cloth breathes. Not water proof no, but a tent underneath it is pretty good place to stay warm and dry.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Frizzboom » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:15 am

Thanks for the comments you all. it is affirming to have support even if it is just with Homonyms.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Bob » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:33 am

Aluminet is exactly the same as knit HDPE (high-density polyethylene) shade mesh, except the surfaces of the strands are metalized. How well it sheds water, breaks wind, or acts as camouflage depends on how clogged with playa dust it gets. I believe it's about half the weight of blue economy-type tarp.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby ygmir » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:58 am

Bob wrote:Aluminet is exactly the same as knit HDPE (high-density polyethylene) shade mesh, except the surfaces of the strands are metalized. How well it sheds water, breaks wind, or acts as camouflage depends on how clogged with playa dust it gets. I believe it's about half the weight of blue economy-type tarp.


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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Frizzboom » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:18 pm

All my posts eventually decay to fart jokes.
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Postby BBadger » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:28 pm

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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby ygmir » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:45 pm

BBadger wrote:
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby mgb327 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:33 pm

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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Asherbeez » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:15 am

Looking at your build, I'd have to second the smaller spacing between ribs. The other bit that I've had great success with is drawing the tarp as tight as possible around the frame. This helps and billowing of the tarp in the wind and also acts as a secondary support for the structure. Also consider attaching the sides of the tarp directly to the ground rather than the support bar. Those are my thoughts. Do with them what you will :-)
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby MyDearFriend » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:00 am

You get a much better environment inside the hut (cooler day-time temps and significantly less dust) if you leave at least a 6-inch gap between the cover and the ground. Trapping air is a big mistake.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Frizzboom » Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:43 am

Update-Ribs on 5' centers worked great, we had 30 mph winds and no problem. I feel confident that it can go much higher. This design is very adaptable, it is easy to add more ribs, additional spines, etc. I am glad I spent the time torture testing it, bringing it straight out the BM or only half testing it would be rough. As to the open bottom, I was figuring one open end and a gap at the top of the opposite end, wouldn't there be more dust with an open bottom (let the jokes fly).
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby FIGJAM » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:29 am

When your boxed in by the city, there are times when there is no breeze at all.

Then you get a lot of heat build up.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby ygmir » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:21 am

Frizzboom wrote:Update-Ribs on 5' centers worked great, we had 30 mph winds and no problem. I feel confident that it can go much higher. This design is very adaptable, it is easy to add more ribs, additional spines, etc. I am glad I spent the time torture testing it, bringing it straight out the BM or only half testing it would be rough. As to the open bottom, I was figuring one open end and a gap at the top of the opposite end, wouldn't there be more dust with an open bottom (let the jokes fly).


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MyDearFriend wrote:You get a much better environment inside the hut (cooler day-time temps and significantly less dust) if you leave at least a 6-inch gap between the cover and the ground. Trapping air is a big mistake.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Frizzboom » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:14 pm

That's why I am here, to learn from the best! and to learn fart jokes.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby MyDearFriend » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:07 am

ygmir wrote:
Frizzboom wrote:Update-Ribs on 5' centers worked great, we had 30 mph winds and no problem. I feel confident that it can go much higher. This design is very adaptable, it is easy to add more ribs, additional spines, etc. I am glad I spent the time torture testing it, bringing it straight out the BM or only half testing it would be rough. As to the open bottom, I was figuring one open end and a gap at the top of the opposite end, wouldn't there be more dust with an open bottom (let the jokes fly).


MDF is our acknowledged expert. her's was flawless. I'd take her advice.

Thanks for the endorsement, Yggy! You have seen a lot of shelters come and go on the playa, so, your opinion means a lot to me.

Frizzboom, the dust in BRC is a constant presence in the air, even when you can't see it. Wind carries it everywhere. And whenever the wind is stopped or blocked, the dust drops out of the air in drifts. Keeping a continuous draft of air going along at ground level through your shelter carries a lot of that settling dust right on out the other side.

Oh and closing one end of a Monkey Hut can cause it to blow out in a sudden gust. The prevailing wind is pretty predictable when you are on the ground but the afternoon thermal effect can bring swirling gusts from every direction. The wind is stronger than your hut. Let it go.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby winebuff » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:52 am

Is there a certain type or grade of pvc you use out of curiosity? I bought someto reinforce my shade structure but will take it back for a stronger, less flexible grade.
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Re: Testing a Monkey Hut - Fail

Postby Frizzboom » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:01 am

MDF Good insight,thanks. I have a cool air from the bottom hot air out the top mentality, I need to switch to a dust in dust out mentality. The thing I like about this design is when a suggestion comes up about re-arranging it I know I can do it easily. The carport option has virtually no flexibility, I am totally sold on the Hut De Monkey.
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