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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby ygmir » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:20 pm

good bump BVB.

I'm always cranky around "the holidays".
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby maryanimal » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:14 pm

((((bvb))))

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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby Elliot » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:56 pm

:D
Nothing wrong with being a good-old-fashioned curmudgeon during this silly season! :twisted: :lol:

All okie-dokie here. Taking my meds and sleeping pretty well these days. In retrospect, my crashes have been caused primarily by sleep deprivation, and that lack of sleep caused by over-active thinking -- inability to "turn the light off" at the end of the day. I need to keep reminding myself that it is not my job to think up the solutions to all the World's problems. No single human could carry that burden, and I shouldn't try. There; I sleep like a lamb.

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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby FIGJAM » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:53 pm

Yup Elliot, I try to do the best I can with my corner of the universe and just hope everybody else will do the same. 8)
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby Elliot » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:20 pm

But I want a BIG corner! :mrgreen:
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby FIGJAM » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:31 pm

When I reach the end of my comfort zone, I stop! :lol:
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby TinkerMom » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:40 pm

I don't do well during the holidays.

I'm all cracked out on holiday sweets, hoping to keep it together for the next 72 hrs.
After that, it's pretty much back to "normal", well....., what ever that is.

I get really cranky and short tempered around this time. I can usually keep
my anger and emotions in check, but, something about the holidays makes me
very volatile. And I can be very dangerous.

Thankfully I can recognize when I get like that, and keep my self locked in somewhere.



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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby Sham » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:51 pm

I just keep thinking that January 1st is right around the corner. A day off from work, and the next day ALL the holiday insanity is behind us. The retail stores however, are busily working on getting the Valentine's Day displays up and the shelves all stocked with red, heart shaped boxes of candy. :roll:
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby Elliot » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:55 pm

:D
TinkerMom, we have a comfort zone right here; it is called ePlaya. Over on the Bar #4 thread we even have a hot springs pool on the roof. Magic Marty just jumped in and I'm on my way up the ladder. Grab a towel and come on over!

An other thing you can do is forget all about Christmas and instead celebrate a birthday that really matters on December 25 -- mine! :P
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby TinkerMom » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:04 pm

Aww, thanks Elliot!!

I may join you in the spa.
And happy birthday!!
Mine was 2 weeks ago.

When I have the time I try to stay on here, but, sometimes it gets overwhelming
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby ygmir » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:45 pm

Elliot wrote::D
TinkerMom, we have a comfort zone right here; it is called ePlaya. Over on the Bar #4 thread we even have a hot springs pool on the roof. Magic Marty just jumped in and I'm on my way up the ladder. Grab a towel and come on over!

An other thing you can do is forget all about Christmas and instead celebrate a birthday that really matters on December 25 -- mine! :P

you should see the photo I got of Elliot and Figjam swimming in the hot spring together.

that'll cheer ya up.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby Elorrum » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:21 pm

I found myself sitting and unloading some prime holiday/work/miss my Mom sadness on my nephew's fiance today. Poor dear, she just asked how I was. I don't talk to real people in a real way as much as I should. It was a good gauge of how I feel this time of year, and how I'd rather feel as well. I found some silly cards my mother had sent me in years past, and it just tore me up. I was sorting some old insurance forms and statements, and old greeting cards were mixed in. So this young woman was trying to give me advice about work, saying, "I don't know how much longer you are going to be working." uh? shit, I haven't even chosen my career path yet. :lol:
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby Ugly Dougly » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:08 am

Elorrum wrote:... shit, I haven't even chosen my career path yet. :lol:

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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby MyDearFriend » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:18 am

What ever else you do, have fun. Have fun. HAVE FUN. Because the problem with just enduring your life is that it makes you too eager to get it over with. :?
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby gyre » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:36 am

Good thought.
How do you get that through to someone going through a cycle of depression AND having some real world problems too?
I think they'd be okay without both at once.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby FIGJAM » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:45 am

MyDearFriend wrote:What ever else you do, have fun. Have fun. HAVE FUN. Because the problem with just enduring your life is that it makes you too eager to get it over with. :?


It's the difference between just surviving and thriving! 8)
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby BAS » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:30 am

MyDearFriend wrote:What ever else you do, have fun. Have fun. HAVE FUN. Because the problem with just enduring your life is that it makes you too eager to get it over with. :?


Speaking from experience, when you are having both depression and (not coincidentally) financial problems, there are always people there to scold you for foolishly spending some money to try to have fun, when you are too poor for fun. :(
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby Elliot » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:06 am

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To thrive is a word that is not much used in American English, and when it is used it usually pertains to either monetary wealth or the growth of an infant. But in Norway where I grew up, to thrive means to enjoy life in general, to be happy with one's friends and living conditions and peace of mind and so forth, and people consider it vital.

We do use the phrase quality of life here, and that's close, but we sure don't pay enough attention to the concept. Too much dog-eat-dog, get-rich-quick, I-got-mine and so on.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby gyre » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:19 am

yeppers
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:04 pm

What's the actual word, Elliot.

And, this whole protestant work ethic that underlies our culture is pretty creepy.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:06 pm

BAS wrote:
MyDearFriend wrote:What ever else you do, have fun. Have fun. HAVE FUN. Because the problem with just enduring your life is that it makes you too eager to get it over with. :?


Speaking from experience, when you are having both depression and (not coincidentally) financial problems, there are always people there to scold you for foolishly spending some money to try to have fun, when you are too poor for fun. :(

I've been there. And that's why I have trouble with the chiding of people who are trying to go to the burn when they are on SSI or something like that. It's not an always thing, I don't always land on the same side of the issue, but I think that poor people need vacations too. Maybe more than middle class people.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby AntiM » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:20 pm

I have a relatives who loves vacation, and I agree, everyone needs time away... but at the expense of paying the basics for survival? So yeah, it would depend a lot on the circumstances and the person. Lots of interesting decision making in my family.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:24 pm

Oh yeah, don't I know. I do know that poverty is a 24/7 job. No one should be forced to live that way year after year.

But then my husband was on assistance. It's a nasty business....
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:26 pm

Oh yeah, I came in here to check on how everyone was doing. In 36 to 48 hours the worst should be over for most of us.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby ygmir » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:09 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Oh yeah, don't I know. I do know that poverty is a 24/7 job. No one should be forced to live that way year after year.

But then my husband was on assistance. It's a nasty business....



interesting choice of words, "forced to live that way"............
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby TomServo » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:30 pm

ygmir wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Oh yeah, don't I know. I do know that poverty is a 24/7 job. No one should be forced to live that way year after year.

But then my husband was on assistance. It's a nasty business....



interesting choice of words, "forced to live that way"............


Interesting choice of words, "interesting choice of words, "forced to live that way............""

Not sure if that was a stab at the unemployed or the underemployed....or both..
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby ygmir » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:56 pm

TomServo wrote:
ygmir wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Oh yeah, don't I know. I do know that poverty is a 24/7 job. No one should be forced to live that way year after year.

But then my husband was on assistance. It's a nasty business....



interesting choice of words, "forced to live that way"............


Interesting choice of words, "interesting choice of words, "forced to live that way............""

Not sure if that was a stab at the unemployed or the underemployed....or both..


it's not a stab.
"forced" implies, to me, someones is making them stay where they are.
It's different, than someone being in that situation, through no fault of their own.
The implication being someone, somewhere pointing a finger and saying "you are going to be poor, and you can't do anything about it"
I don't believe that, but I do believe at times, people have no control over their situation.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby gyre » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:12 pm

Watch JK Rowling's interview about getting out of poverty, from her current secure life.


I keep hearing that the aftermath of christmas is when most people feel let down, more humdrum.
They say that's when suicides spike.
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:38 pm

To bring you back to where I started:
BAS wrote:Speaking from experience, when you are having both depression and (not coincidentally) financial problems, there are always people there to scold you for foolishly spending some money to try to have fun, when you are too poor for fun. :(

There is huge social pressure on poor people seeking pleasure. They are supposed to suffer as a reminder to those of us who are "middle class" of how lucky we are and we hadn't better start looking for anything better or question the social order that oppresses almost all of us.
We could up the unemployment insurance and aid to families with dependent children and social security if we chose to. It would be great for the economy, too. But we'd rather hold to this pettiness.

And I think we know where the argument goes from here: look there's the great circle let's all of us run around it endlessly, yelling at the top of our lungs...

Is it so bad of me to offer support to BAS?
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Re: Suicidal Tendencies

Postby ygmir » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:42 pm

not only is there nothing wrong with supporting BAS and what he says........it's very nice of you.
I get caught in words and meanings, at times, a "nested loop"...........
Inferences and such can be so subtle, sometimes I miss them, so, ask or comment, trying for clarity.
I totally agree folks need fun and laughter........though it's my own business how, where or when, I try to help folks do just that, when they can't do it themselves.
I'm not without compassion, but I'm also a nut on meanings and bastardized meanings.

just a thought experiment, sorry if I offended.
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