2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Cargo Cult - Who is John Frum? He is known to us by many names, this Visitor from Elsewhere, dispenser of endless abundance and wielder of mysterious technologies: John Frum, Quetzalcoatl, Osiris, "Bob." His cargo is splendid, his generosity boundless, his motives beyond our understanding. But across the ages and around the world, the stories all agree: one day he will return, bearing great gifts. Our theme this year asks three related questions; who is John Frum, where is he really from, and where, on spaceship Earth, are we all going?

Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby yellowrose » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:22 pm

I am in agreement with the folks who have expressed concerns about the racist/colonial tones of the theme.

We are interested in creating a petition in solidarity with other camps who have concerns. Please let me know if you have any ideas for what should be written on the petition, and if your camp wants to join. We are not experts on this topic, simply concerned burners. Link below.

https://www.change.org/petitions/burnin ... -man-theme
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:27 pm

I still think it would be funnier and more instructive to colonize a camp and introduce a cult...
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby skyhawkecks » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:28 pm

yellowrose wrote:I am in agreement with the folks who have expressed concerns about the racist/colonial tones of the theme.

We are interested in creating a petition in solidarity with other camps who have concerns. Please let me know if you have any ideas for what should be written on the petition, and if your camp wants to join. We are not experts on this topic, simply concerned burners. Link below.

https://www.change.org/petitions/burnin ... -man-theme


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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby knowmad » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:29 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Prosperity theology doesn't, on the face of it, seem all that different than Calvinism, where god's approval is signaled by wealth...

and here I always thought Calvinisim was when God signified his approval by blaming Hobbes.


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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby BAS » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:52 pm

The petition should start with three loud cheers for the Hat, followed by three for the Man, and... :P
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby knowmad » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:14 pm

When the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Elorrum » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:30 pm

We feel sure our theme will attract many alien Visitors, and hope this will stimulate our planet's faltering economy.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:40 pm

Elorrum wrote:We feel sure our theme will attract many alien Visitors, and hope this will stimulate our planet's faltering economy.
stimulate the economy? huh?

It's a metaphor. The aliens are going to have sex with the earth.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Elliot » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:06 pm

:D
What a fabulous Theme, that stirs so many of us to thinking!
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby 5280MeV » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:17 pm

I have been following this conversation all day, and the whole debate is just beautiful.

The people of Vanuatu have appropriated US military traditions in an inappropriate manner, blindly reenacting parade marches and the flag raising ceremony without an understanding or appreciation of the meaning of the US flag or the sacrifice of the troops.

In making this phenomenon - often called a 'cargo cult' by Americans - the theme of the Burning Man event in the desert, the mostly American participants of Burning Man have appropriated the inappropriate appropriation of American tradition in an inappropriate manner, without regard for the misunderstanding of American culture of the Vanuatan culture.

This inappropriate appropriation of inappropriate appropriation is not just racist, it is racist-squared.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:32 pm

Well, at leeast the Star Trek re-enactors will fit right in this year.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby ygmir » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:37 pm

[quote=heCryptofishist"]Well, at leeast the Star Trek re-enactors will fit right in this year.[/quote]
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Tiahaar » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:39 pm

ygmir wrote:taking notes at computer**
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Anyways...
A theme that has CULT as part of its name gets +1000 edgy points (the bliss hippies had their turn last year)
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Foxfur » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:12 pm

5280MeV wrote:I have been following this conversation all day, and the whole debate is just beautiful.

The people of Vanuatu have appropriated US military traditions in an inappropriate manner, blindly reenacting parade marches and the flag raising ceremony without an understanding or appreciation of the meaning of the US flag or the sacrifice of the troops.

In making this phenomenon - often called a 'cargo cult' by Americans - the theme of the Burning Man event in the desert, the mostly American participants of Burning Man have appropriated the inappropriate appropriation of American tradition in an inappropriate manner, without regard for the misunderstanding of American culture of the Vanuatan culture.

This inappropriate appropriation of inappropriate appropriation is not just racist, it is racist-squared.

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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby knowmad » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:25 pm

5280MeV wrote:
This inappropriate appropriation of inappropriate appropriation is not just racist, it is racist-squared.


So DoublePlusGood? I'm a bit confused, I's this one of those Racist thing that I'm supposed to feel outraged about? or one of those Racist things I should be stoked about [*'Merika!*]
let's see racism is negative, and the product of a negative Square, is a Positive![*'Merika!*]

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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby brm15 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:28 am

To all my whimsical travelers, ready for take off?!! Here we come and go John Frum! Brooommmzzzzziiifuuuufzzz
NO! I don't consider it racist. BRC is a large metropolis, and as in any metropolis, there are always some racists in the midst. No surprise here. I can't wait to go down those slides! Spam please. I'll skip the bacon.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Humin » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:13 am

As for the theme itself I think it has potential, though it's more specific than the last few years' themes.

I understand where BMorg is coming from, more trying to get people to view themselves as the cargo cult. I also understand the racial concerns. I've actually heard of cargo cults a long time ago, to me they've always been linked with the "tribal savage" archetype we see in media. There is a running theme in media of white explorers meeting indigenous tribes, and the tribes deification of the explorers. I'm not offended, but then I'm not Melanesian so I wouldn't be.

EDIT: I am Jewish though, and nobody asked my opinion on the Barbie Death Camp. If they did ask, I'd say I assume it's in good fun, and I have to think I'd have the same reaction to this years theme if I was of Melanesian descent.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby graidawg » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:30 am

In my latest though isn't Bm a kind of reverse Cargo cult - where we go to a strange exotic place in the hope of finding something that we don't really understand from a more primitive society and perform rituals that have no meaning to most of us and people have names that mean nothing elsewhere though we argue about if they are real or not. Anyway my idea of going as a colonial englishman need no modification to fit right in.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby goathead » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:50 am

To those who think its racist, take it, play with it, and make it your own.

Your choice, be inspired or be offended.

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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby graidawg » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:20 am

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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby H.G.Crosby » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:46 am

yellowrose wrote:I am in agreement with the folks who have expressed concerns about the racist/colonial tones of the theme.

We are interested in creating a petition in solidarity with other camps who have concerns. Please let me know if you have any ideas for what should be written on the petition, and if your camp wants to join. We are not experts on this topic, simply concerned burners. Link below.

https://www.change.org/petitions/burnin ... -man-theme




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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Elorrum » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:15 am

I will need to find my own angle on this theme since my take right now cannot get past the word Cargo. At the beginning of the short documentary series, Guns Germs and Steel, the author of the book, Jared Diamond relates a seminal conversation he had with a New Guinea friend, and how it got him thinking: "Why does the white man have so much cargo, and we have so little?" Appealing to an outside being for material things? Isn't there something more I should want if aliens came? I think my cult will be the cult of MTV cribz, or the cult of plug and play RV luxury burning. Why not the cult of mutant vehicles? I want one so badly. I shouldn't plan for myself, educate myself, think of a way. I just have to want it want it want it so bad and build an altar to whatever I think it is as a kind of celebratory art, on my vacation from being a fucking slave and letting the message that I don't have enough rule me. Well, I bathe in hot drinking water, have enough food to be obese, and access to doctors and medicine. Plenty cargo. Pretty fucking luxurious to much of the world. Even if I'm drowning and paralyzed by my stuff, it's probably not the right stuff to have anyway, and I need to imagine what kind of cult I would be in if I could be in one that would worship the better cargo I should really really want, but have no chance of getting on my own. The altars already exist here, and I think they are billboards, and trade shows, and t.v. commercials, hell, t.v. Let's just have a year where commercial sponsors can come to the playa and build their own exposition. I think they would REALLY bring in the cargo.

What I would ask for, seeing how the closed system of Earth is turning us into overpopulated stressed and deranged toxic hangers on, is a way out or a solution. A way to release the pressure of our over population and spread out a bit in space.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby ygmir » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:53 am

Elorrum wrote:I will need to find my own angle on this theme since my take right now cannot get past the word Cargo. At the beginning of the short documentary series, Guns Germs and Steel, the author of the book, Jared Diamond relates a seminal conversation he had with a New Guinea friend, and how it got him thinking: "Why does the white man have so much cargo, and we have so little?" Appealing to an outside being for material things? Isn't there something more I should want if aliens came? I think my cult will be the cult of MTV cribz, or the cult of plug and play RV luxury burning. Why not the cult of mutant vehicles? I want one so badly. I shouldn't plan for myself, educate myself, think of a way. I just have to want it want it want it so bad and build an altar to whatever I think it is as a kind of celebratory art, on my vacation from being a fucking slave and letting the message that I don't have enough rule me. Well, I bathe in hot drinking water, have enough food to be obese, and access to doctors and medicine. Plenty cargo. Pretty fucking luxurious to much of the world. Even if I'm drowning and paralyzed by my stuff, it's probably not the right stuff to have anyway, and I need to imagine what kind of cult I would be in if I could be in one that would worship the better cargo I should really really want, but have no chance of getting on my own. The altars already exist here, and I think they are billboards, and trade shows, and t.v. commercials, hell, t.v. Let's just have a year where commercial sponsors can come to the playa and build their own exposition. I think they would REALLY bring in the cargo.

What I would ask for, seeing how the closed system of Earth is turning us into overpopulated stressed and deranged toxic hangers on, is a way out or a solution. A way to release the pressure of our over population and spread out a bit in space.



well said, well said indeed!!
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:20 am

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Postby Roberto Dobbisano » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:21 am

oh, sure, next thing you'll tell me is that it will set me free.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Foxfur » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:24 am

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:27 am

stop blaming texas for JFK's death...
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby Elorrum » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:33 am

maybe it is just the hard crusty chrysallis.
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Re: 2013 Theme - Cargo Cult - thoughts?

Postby ygmir » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:36 am

we'll know, when alligator skin suitcases come back
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Postby H.G.Crosby » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:38 am

i heal Asian Clocodires are Fealress, they head stlaight into the flay...
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