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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:01 pm

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nah i mostly majored in keeping up appearances with a concentration in getting it over with

That's the problem with the new majors in colleges undergoing serious grade-inflation, you just never learn to do the hard but useful things.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby clocksnmirrors » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:20 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:nah i mostly majored in keeping up appearances with a concentration in getting it over with

That's the problem with the new majors in colleges undergoing serious grade-inflation, you just never learn to do the hard but useful things.[/quote]

:lol:

actually i came out back in the 80s. my issues were more philosophical than anything. ecclesiastes summed up pretty well my feelings "meaningless, meaningless. everything is meaningless"
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Gently nudged over a couple folders. Seemed more appropriate here.

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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Runs; With Scissors » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:53 pm

If we sincerely need something, I know of a dry lake bed that's similar to the Black Rock playa, near Reno. It's privately owned and I can talk to the owner if necessary. (he asked me if we needed it in September and I said I didn't know.) Until we need it, I'd rather not bother him with anything unofficial. Someone write me if there's any weight to the rumor - I'll start things moving. Someone would need to verify that it is big enough and that the county laws are okay with us doing what-have-you there.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Ratty » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:51 am

As a 'Greeter' I was furious with the Sheriffs writing all those tickets the second a car pulled in. BUT. While I was there I had 2 awesome experiences with the sheriffs. (And yes, I reported them in a good way). I like all the supervision. I always feel safe.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:18 am

Runs; With Scissors wrote:If we sincerely need something, I know of a dry lake bed that's similar to the Black Rock playa, near Reno. It's privately owned and I can talk to the owner if necessary. (he asked me if we needed it in September and I said I didn't know.) Until we need it, I'd rather not bother him with anything unofficial. Someone write me if there's any weight to the rumor - I'll start things moving. Someone would need to verify that it is big enough and that the county laws are okay with us doing what-have-you there.

Might be fun for an alternate event, even without the rumor confirmed.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby trilobyte » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:57 am

I don't think we need something - I don't think the goal is to double capacity overnight or drastically change the event in any other way. I'm hopeful that the Pershing County nonsense can be resolved, and I think the location helps to make the event unique. I'd rather keep it as it is, and then look at bolstering and building up other events around the world. In my opinion the future isn't a Black Rock City with a population of 150K, it's 150 events approaching the size and scale we see now, scattered around the globe. None would be identical, they'd each develop their own character and flavor. Burning Seed, Burning Flipside, KiwiBurn, Collidiscope (Hawaii regional burn), and the list goes on.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:35 pm

I agree; the future is fewer, smaller, more diverse. I wish I hadn't missed that Wasteland Weekend thing.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Runs; With Scissors » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:08 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:I agree; the future is fewer, smaller, more diverse. I wish I hadn't missed that Wasteland Weekend thing.


You didn't miss much, unless you're into heat, foul people and a lot of moop.

There are other great events that are closer to the Bay anyway.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby clocksnmirrors » Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:06 pm

trilobyte wrote:I don't think we need something - I don't think the goal is to double capacity overnight or drastically change the event in any other way. I'm hopeful that the Pershing County nonsense can be resolved, and I think the location helps to make the event unique. I'd rather keep it as it is, and then look at bolstering and building up other events around the world. In my opinion the future isn't a Black Rock City with a population of 150K, it's 150 events approaching the size and scale we see now, scattered around the globe. None would be identical, they'd each develop their own character and flavor. Burning Seed, Burning Flipside, KiwiBurn, Collidiscope (Hawaii regional burn), and the list goes on.



i like your vision. i'd love to see a south florida event on this scale
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:20 pm

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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Roberto Dobbisano » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:26 am

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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby 5280MeV » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:59 pm

trilobyte wrote: In my opinion the future isn't a Black Rock City with a population of 150K, it's 150 events approaching the size and scale we see now, scattered around the globe. None would be identical, they'd each develop their own character and flavor.


I agree that growth is going to the regionals. That is where I have headed, after being late on the bandwagon to BRC in 2011, I was impressed by Alchemy in 2012 and am focusing my effort there. I just want to build stuff, and it is hard to do that when airplanes are involved. I can't imagine that I am the only one, although there must also be many people for which the playa is worth the additional difficulty.

My prediction of size and scale would be more along the lines of 5-10k. Right now it seems that regionals are topping out at about 3-4k, with mixed feelings about growth in the community. The playa is very special. I don't think that North America has anything like it to offer for a location to do a burn. I think that barring some sort of decline or catastrophe, Burning Man will continue to draw people from all over the place - even people who choose a regional as their home burn.

Perhaps being insanely, outrageously big is part of the character and flavor of Burning Man itself.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Elliot » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:01 pm

Burning Man is hardly outrageously big. The motorcycle rally in tiny Sturgis, South Dakota, draws tens times as many.
http://www.sturgis.com/2kstats.html
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:34 pm

Elliot wrote:Burning Man is hardly outrageously big. The motorcycle rally in tiny Sturgis, South Dakota, draws tens times as many.
http://www.sturgis.com/2kstats.html


Me no think this officially sanctioned regional, ugh?
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:35 pm

Runs; With Scissors wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:I agree; the future is fewer, smaller, more diverse. I wish I hadn't missed that Wasteland Weekend thing.


You didn't miss much, unless you're into heat, foul people and a lot of moop.

There are other great events that are closer to the Bay anyway.


I guess the "Wasteland" part should have been a clue. ;)
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Elliot » Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:59 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
Elliot wrote:Burning Man is hardly outrageously big. The motorcycle rally in tiny Sturgis, South Dakota, draws tens times as many.
http://www.sturgis.com/2kstats.html


Me no think this officially sanctioned regional, ugh?

I just got tired of seeing BM described as very large, when it is not.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Rice » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:31 pm

Elliot wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:
Elliot wrote:Burning Man is hardly outrageously big. The motorcycle rally in tiny Sturgis, South Dakota, draws tens times as many.
http://www.sturgis.com/2kstats.html


Me no think this officially sanctioned regional, ugh?

I just got tired of seeing BM described as very large, when it is not.
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You are certainly correct, in comparison to many events Burning Man is but a small child. How many of these events function with mostly volunteers, happen in a desert 100's of miles from the nearest city and require a government inspection after the event is over??

I for one would love for BM to happen a little closer to me. 3000 KM is a long drive to go hang out in the desert with nothing but what I brought! Montana would be awesome...
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby 5280MeV » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:38 pm

Well, a blue whale is smaller than 747, but it is still a huge animal. It is big when put into the appropriate category.

If the category for comparison is a burn, defined by anything on the official regional burn list or even just calling itself a burn, then BRC is very large in comparison to any other burn. Outside of 'burns', I am not sure what the appropriate category for comparison would be.

If the category is simply 'event', and the method of comparison attendance figures, then I still think BM is on the larger side of events, although there are much bigger ones.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Trishntek » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:59 pm

Seems to me no comparison to Sturgis or most other multi-day events.

Sturgis exists 24/7/365, Black Rock City does not.

Sturgis is a place with permanent installations of electricity, sewage system, running water and permanent shelters, Black Rock City is not.

Sturgis has paved streets, growing things including natural shade, Black Rock City does not.

Sturgis hosts 100s of thousands of motorcyclists dressed mostly in leather, steel and denim expecting entertainment, Black Rock City hosts 10s of thousands of multi-talented, radically expressive, organically creative, generous, grateful and unpretentious individuals seeking participation.

Not that all motorcyclists are not multi-talented, etc. I'm simply saying Sturgis is a single-themed event. Black Rock City is probably more diverse than Sturgis can imagine.
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Postby Elliot » Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:12 pm

Of course.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby clocksnmirrors » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:31 am

the thing about the playa that's hard to beat is the barrenness. no bugs. that's a huge plus, especially when dealing with portapotties and week old garbage
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:55 am

clocksnmirrors wrote:the thing about the playa that's hard to beat is the barrenness. no bugs. that's a huge plus, especially when dealing with portapotties and week old garbage





there are enough bugs in most hippies shitlocks to infest Pasadena.

yeah, dont fall asleep on or touch ANYTHING in center camp....this includes the hippies there.

when you get back to i-80, buy a liter of RID-X and head to the truck stop in sparks with the showers...

throw ALL of your clothes and bedding away, and sterilize your car.

otherwise, you will bring the Burning Man back with you in more ways than one...







there....that should scare off about 2000 potential new burners who have issues with cooties and hygiene....You Know the Ones, they tend to live in Redwood City and drive Volvos to Zen Sessions.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Roberto Dobbisano » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:02 am

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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby clocksnmirrors » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:10 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:
clocksnmirrors wrote:the thing about the playa that's hard to beat is the barrenness. no bugs. that's a huge plus, especially when dealing with portapotties and week old garbage

there are enough bugs in most hippies shitlocks to infest Pasadena.
yeah, dont fall asleep on or touch ANYTHING in center camp....this includes the hippies there.
when you get back to i-80, buy a liter of RID-X and head to the truck stop in sparks with the showers...
throw ALL of your clothes and bedding away, and sterilize your car.
otherwise, you will bring the Burning Man back with you in more ways than one...

there....that should scare off about 2000 potential new burners who have issues with cooties and hygiene....You Know the Ones, they tend to live in Redwood City and drive Volvos to Zen Sessions.


:lol:

even as a newbie myself i witnessed one of the downsides to the huge influx of the non-initiated, mainly ridiculous amounts of moop
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Bob » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:32 pm

clocksnmirrors wrote:the thing about the playa that's hard to beat is the barrenness. no bugs. that's a huge plus...


I fear you've been misinformed.
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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:34 pm

So in other words, you picked up a case of the crabs.


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Re: POST ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR BM 2013

Postby Killbuck » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:17 pm

Ok, well maybe I missed it in this thread... but...

Singularity was held a number of years on Red Lake Playa... real nice and all, but the local county or counties saw $ in their eyes and rocketed the permit fees. It killed that location. Access was a problem too. Road way too small, too narrow and subject to weather destruction. Lastly it was nice for a smaller event, but I thought not nearly remote enough.
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