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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Bounce530 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:44 am

You can leave comments on her pictures on her f/b.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Zhust » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:57 am

Tinkerbell wrote:I'm against the feathers and the burning of plastic. AMEN


I often think it's funny that because it's a specific written rule, it makes people even more self-righteous. That's people!

Fiery words are spoken about feathers, but in the same breath, members here will encourage people to bring zip ties — which I suspect are extremely common MOOP and hard to find as well. I am very curious to know what the most prevalent MOOP found by the DPW crew doing sweeps after the event. I'd like to avoid explicit bans, but I think there's a place for pride/shame to come into it. What if the most prevalent MOOP were next year's shame; avoiding (or preventing its hitting the ground) the new pride?
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby VultureChow » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:03 am

Zhust wrote:
Fiery words are spoken about feathers, but in the same breath, members here will encourage people to bring zip ties — which I suspect are extremely common MOOP and hard to find as well.


Zip ties have a use. Many uses in fact.

Feathers have none.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Bounce530 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:13 am

I'd say that zipties prevent more moop then they create, where as feathers are simply for somebodies vanity.
I think I remember reading that wood bits are the most common moop post event.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Bob » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:22 am

You have to pick your battles. Feathers are an easy one because 99% of people who bring them are just going to buy some flimsy headbands or scarves off the shelf at the Costumes R Us. Pics of chicken costumes just encourage the practice.

Zip-ties can be dealt with during take-down because they don't fly off to the trash fence when they get loose, and you can pick them up easily if you put down a tarp first.

I'm sure the greater bulk of moop and trash in general is food and drink packaging, trash bags left behind in camps, warped lumber, ash, and bikes. At the micro-level, glowsticks, nut shells, butts, flashers, etc. Doesn't mean that feathers aren't a particularly stupid component.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby catinthefunnyhat » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:46 am

I did some MOOPing in a village that shall remain unnamed (not BDV) on Tuesday morning as I was waiting for my partner and our fellow traveller to be ready to depart (they were doing a line sweep in my fellow traveller's village). Because I was on crutches, I couldn't participate in the line sweep; Instead, I crawled around on the ground, covering a small perimeter around where our car was parked (I had kneepads on). This allowed me to do (I hope) a thorough job, but in a very tiny space. Nevertheless, I got a ridiculous amount of MOOP.

The worst offender: Wood splinters and pine needles (?!). Hundreds of each. Other notable offenders: About a dozen each of sequins, cigarette butts, small pieces of plastic, tiny bits of feathers, pieces of fluff/fur, bits of ash/charcoal from the nearby burn barrel. Several each of food wrappers, bottle caps, leaves (?!), zip ties, bits of paper.

I don't know what was with the pine needles, but there were a lot of those, and I'm pretty sure they count as a restricted item.

As for the wood splinters... those are, of course, not restricted, but they were a huge MOOP problem (at least in this particular village). My partner also found hundreds of those in his line sweep (a few hundred feet away from where I was). Obviously, wood can't be restricted, but perhaps a set of "best practices" for handling wood on the playa without MOOPing need to be developed and shared around.

I suspect that at least some of the wood splinters near me, as well as the pine needles, and leaves, fell out of the burn barrel (or perhaps more accurately, didn't make it in, being blown away by the hot-air currents as they were being dumped in). Maybe the burn barrels need to have a better catchment system for stuff that falls/blows out of them.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Bob » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:49 am

I believe putting down a tarp first to catch sawdust in work areas is encouraged. Most of DPW's and a good portion of artists' work is done off-playa except for assembly of components.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby catinthefunnyhat » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:51 am

The wood splinters were more consistent with a non-fiery explosion (or, more realistically, pieces of wood being smashed/broken/split) than with sawing.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Bob » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:03 am

You never know. One year there was a Chainsaw Camp.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:12 am

If there's an old camp componant made from plywood--or wood in general--it can moop splinters.

You can always use colored zip ties--they don't blend into playa as easily as the white ones.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby jkisha » Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:28 am

Bob made some good points, most of which I agree with.

However,I think I finally realized why I'm a bit resistant to critize chicken girl and her costume. The fact is, almost anything that anyone brings to the playa has the potential to become MOOP. Why is so much empases placed on what people bring, when the blame should be directed at people not being responsible for what they choose to bring?
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby littleflower » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:48 am

probabilities, JK. the thing about feathers is that it's pretty much impossible to secure them in a way that will ensure mooplessness ... and it's also impossible to be aware of what your costume is doing 100% or the time. even if you did notice a bit of feather falling off, you may not be able to get to it, considering wind, other people, &c.

i had a hat in 2009 with $1 store flowers sewn into it. i sewed and sewed and sewed those damned things on, but always seemed to notice some little piece missing. and they probably aren't as bad as feathers.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Bob » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:47 am

I believe at some point more than a decade ago that feathers, specifically cheap feather boas, stood out as being particularly prone to disintegrating in the wind. AFAIK cheap feather boas, headdresses, etc. are still on the shelves of the costume stores where dumbasses shop to look like they belong at bunringman. People are suggestive. They see pictures of chicken costumes, palm fronds, and whatnot at bunringman, and then try to replicate it on a budget the weekend before they go. Hence the formal/informal warnings, blablabla.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby thirt33n » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:50 am

all my feathers are accounted for
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Bounce530 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:26 pm

Bounce530 wrote:You can leave comments on her pictures on her f/b.
I did.

She's pretty quick to delete some posts though..she deleted one of my comments already, but has responded to another. Of course her response was a full of her self burnier than thou statement.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:56 pm

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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Bounce530 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:28 pm

jkisha wrote:Bob made some good points, most of which I agree with.

However,I think I finally realized why I'm a bit resistant to critize chicken girl and her costume. The fact is, almost anything that anyone brings to the playa has the potential to become MOOP. Why is so much empases placed on what people bring, when the blame should be directed at people not being responsible for what they choose to bring?


If they don't go by the rules, they surely are not going to take responsibility. Please see the comments here:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=887707624670&set=a.607531045780.2154077.2912128&type=1&theater&notif_t=photo_reply
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby maladroit » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:30 pm

If someone can figure out how to get high off a feather (smoking, injected, snorted, whatever) then we can get them schedule 1 and finally put an end to this.

Of course, people will just bring feather brownies.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby maladroit » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:33 pm

I think this thread needs a little more of a vigilante flair.

They can bring the feathers, we can bring the tar.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby jkisha » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:39 pm

maladroit wrote:I think this thread needs a little more of a vigilante flair.

They can bring the feathers, we can bring the tar.

And then we can argue about what moop is worse: Feathers, tar, or tar and feathers.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby lucky420 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:37 pm

feathers are the worst. TAr and feathers are better because the tar will "clump" the feathers up for us and make it easier to pick up...also people will instantly know who the feather offenders are
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby maladroit » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:19 pm

The tar clumps the feathers TO the offenders, making it all a rather tidy package for demooping.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Lonesomebri » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:27 am

So some ego-hound skins a chicken to look good, we all can't be blessed with inner beauty. Besides she deserves to be gloriously self indulgent -"because I spend days post-burn picking up everyone's garbage."

She picked up EVERYONE'S garbage, of course she can be trusted to take care of her own tail feathers.

She thinks she is alot better looking/caring/spiritual/artistic/insightful/concerned than she will ever be, and she has a facebook page to prove it.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:53 am

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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby gyre » Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:00 pm

Oh, there's plenty of those on eplaya.


Time for an Eplaya HOA thread.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Lonesomebri » Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:54 pm

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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby Savannah » Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:56 pm

Lonesomebri wrote:So some ego-hound skins a chicken to look good, we all can't be blessed with inner beauty. Besides she deserves to be gloriously self indulgent -"because I spend days post-burn picking up everyone's garbage."

She picked up EVERYONE'S garbage, of course she can be trusted to take care of her own tail feathers.

She thinks she is alot better looking/caring/spiritual/artistic/insightful/concerned than she will ever be, and she has a facebook page to prove it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... hoto_reply


I just can't bring myself to click. :lol: I've got my health to think of.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby jkisha » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:24 pm

Actually, if these are pictures of the same girl
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410185402378247&set=a.410175002379287.98008.129396383790485&type=3&theater
and
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410176999045754&set=a.410175002379287.98008.129396383790485&type=3&theater
I might have to reassess my opinion/comments. One stunning (by some accounts) outfit is one thing; but to be wearing (cheap, moopy) feathers with every outfit is just not right.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby pink » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:39 pm

It's the same girl. Plus the moopy crap in her Facebook photo. And in a photo book on BM besides. Maybe we should crucify the photogs as well? Not to mention they are profiting off the event by photographing their friends in fucking feathery crap.
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Re: No Feathers?!

Postby unjonharley » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:46 pm

jkisha wrote:Actually, if these are pictures of the same girl
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410185402378247&set=a.410175002379287.98008.129396383790485&type=3&theater
and
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=410176999045754&set=a.410175002379287.98008.129396383790485&type=3&theater
I might have to reassess my opinion/comments. One stunning (by some accounts) outfit is one thing; but to be wearing (cheap, moopy) feathers with every outfit is just not right.


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