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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:45 am

A friend has one of these coming, so I'll get to try it out soon.
He is quite impressed with the 5.7x28 performance that so many are dubious about.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:52 am

The guy I've been building with just got in an M53 kit.
He says it's pretty chewed up though.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:40 am

I had a chance to check out the M53.
What an elegant design!
Extremely sophisticated.
Unfortunately very difficult to build the receiver and unnecessarily complex to convert to single fire, per atf rules.

Beautiful work, even though this is the copy of the german gun that was the "cheap" solution to the more complex MG34.

Too much to talk about, but what a design!
The quick change barrel is actually part of the bolt.
Recoil is adjustable in two ways, which also changes the auto fire rate somewhat.
It is a design that wants to fire at 1700 rounds per minute, but was slowed down to 1200 or less.
Barrel weight was also used to change rate of fire.
Very impressive.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:43 am

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby EspressoDude » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:39 pm

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How much do you want to see this technical firing?



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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:16 pm

Oh, thanks for that, Espresso Dude.

I can't help grinning when I see Big Fire!
I have so missed that this year.

I remember urging someone with a big fire machine to bring it out again.
So I see him and he says he filled the tanks.
He fires it off and it's so loud we can't hear each other, but we both can't stop grinning and laughing.
You can see that BIG FIRE thing in other people, can't you?

i'm going to try to make the national pyrotech show to make up for burning man.
There's at least one burner that never misses it.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby stew » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:10 pm

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That is a funny fake picture! Notice how there is no possible way she could have kept the tiny gun in that location in those skinny jeans - there's no room there.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby cowboyangel » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:08 am

gyre wrote:I had a chance to check out the M53.
What an elegant design!
Extremely sophisticated.
Unfortunately very difficult to build the receiver and unnecessarily complex to convert to single fire, per atf rules.

Beautiful work, even though this is the copy of the german gun that was the "cheap" solution to the more complex MG34.

Too much to talk about, but what a design!
The quick change barrel is actually part of the bolt.
Recoil is adjustable in two ways, which also changes the auto fire rate somewhat.
It is a design that wants to fire at 1700 rounds per minute, but was slowed down to 1200 or less.
Barrel weight was also used to change rate of fire.
Very impressive.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:31 am

I got to fire two of my dream guns:
both original late 1800's Winchester lever actions, octagon barrels.
25-20 and 38-55.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Sail Man » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:49 pm

Just received my new baby, a DPMS Panther LR308 with the 24" bull barrel. Damn things a monster LOL. It doesn't come with optics, have a scope on the way along with some other hardware. Need to order buis as well. Next payday lol. Nice to see that in my area .308 ammo is no more expensive then what I pay for 5.56.

Can't wait to take her out to the range and pop off a few.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:46 pm

Nice gun, Sailman!


No gun news here, but I did go to court with a bullet in my pocket.
Does that count?
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:15 pm

gyre wrote:Nice gun, Sailman!


No gun news here, but I did go to court with a bullet in my pocket.
Does that count?

did the court reporter note how attracted you were to her/him?
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:02 am

That's what you do with a perfect Barney Fife setup?
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:18 am

it works, as long as I'm carrying a .50 BMG, and not a .22 lr.
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Re: Guns, Lhandguns like the Draco are legal fove Em or Leav

Postby gyre » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:58 am

The big handguns like the Draco are legal carry here.

I actually had no problem going through metal detectors over and over again with the bullet, or going to court.
After the first time, I was being rejected for my dangerous weapon, a AAA flashlight just over the maximum four inch length.
I went to another building to complain about the silly flashlight issue, and they used a wand, and found the bullet.
Stuck in a flap in a pocket.
That building had no problem with the flashlight.
They kept my bullet.

These government buildings give all sorts of explanations, but they just sit around and make up this shit.
They blame the rules on everything under the sun.

The .50 BMG handgun
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Re: Guns, Lhandguns like the Draco are legal fove Em or Leav

Postby cowboyangel » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:06 pm

gyre wrote:The big handguns like the Draco are legal carry here.

I actually had no problem going through metal detectors over and over again with the bullet, or going to court.
After the first time, I was being rejected for my dangerous weapon, a AAA flashlight just over the maximum four inch length.
I went to another building to complain about the silly flashlight issue, and they used a wand, and found the bullet.
Stuck in a flap in a pocket.
That building had no problem with the flashlight.
They kept my bullet.

These government buildings give all sorts of explanations, but they just sit around and make up this shit.
They blame the rules on everything under the sun.

The .50 BMG handgun
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This is the handgun Detroit's Prince Fielder carries..........
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:14 am

that uses a real .50 BMG round? the 5.5 inch long cartridge?
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:26 am

I didn't say it made sense.

The Desert Eagle uses a fixed barrel with a separate slide.
It's gas operated with a rotary lug, more similar to a rifle action than a handgun.
I think the largest version made now is for the .50AE.

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Muzzle flash may be an issue, among other things.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:55 am

so, is/was the .50 bmg handgun clip fed, or single shot?
I can't see how a magazie big enough for a .50 bmg would be holdable in a pistol grip.
Or am I missing something?

yeah, the .50 AE is much much shorter, no?
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:27 am

That 50 BMG was magazine fed.
There have been a number of single fire pistols.
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Very little in common between the BMG and the AE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:11 am

yeah I know they're different..........I am just (even with my diminutive mitts) trying to envision a pistol grip, that could contain a .50 bmg cartridge magazine and holding it in one hand.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:32 am

Even the smaller 50AE is supposed to be two handed.
These things are bench fired if you want any accuracy.
I have no idea how you hold the 50BMG version of that.
Most never get fired.

These things would make a great bear round, but look at the weight.

Worth noting that the gun imported as the 'baby' Desert Eagle is an effective and completely different weapon, based on CZ and Tanfoglio design. (apparently imported by Kahr now)
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:42 am

ygmir wrote:yeah I know they're different..........I am just (even with my diminutive mitts) trying to envision a pistol grip, that could contain a .50 bmg cartridge magazine and holding it in one hand.

You'd really want to steer clear of that slide coming back.
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby Sail Man » Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:54 pm

gyre wrote:
ygmir wrote:yeah I know they're different..........I am just (even with my diminutive mitts) trying to envision a pistol grip, that could contain a .50 bmg cartridge magazine and holding it in one hand.

You'd really want to steer clear of that slide coming back.


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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:20 pm

I can't think of any other slide that would move so far.
Six inches back, maybe?
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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:47 pm

What do you guys think of the Boberg XR9 or the short one?
Long barrel on a short frame due to a sort of bullpup arrangement.
Anyone tried one yet?

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby ygmir » Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:19 am

I giggle at all those who need the "newest/best"........it's like fashion.
there is a cartridge/weapon combo, for every inch of fall, from 50' to 1K yards.
has been since Weatherby started with the "magnums" and high velocity.
same with foot pounds.......little to lots.

all the "newest/best" is marketing.
fun, to be sure, but just marketing.
Go back to the choices in 1960, and see if you can find a new cartridge any different, substantially, different.

.22 ruger MKII
M29 S&W 8 3/8
1911 A1

Ruger 10/22
BAR .300 Win Mag.

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Re: Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Postby gyre » Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:03 am

Dardick?

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