2012 Experiences with Police

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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby knowmad » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:12 am

PatternInterrupt wrote:.... Our driver immediately produced his Oregon medical marijuana card and was escorted back onto the bus to relinquish his medicine. $525 ticket. .... I offered to show my California medical marijuana card


Now what?

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You guys are Fuckin Morons! Nevada is not Oregon! Nevada is not Cali.
Now what? Pay your fucking Fines and Shut the Fuck up! The Shut the Fuck Up is the Friendly part of this advise; goes with your right to remain "silent" (which you have not been) and you are exactly the kind of "Fucked" People who has no (NO) right or ability to transport others by bus into our City. Fuck off and Stay in Cali! go to your local Pot fest and stay away from BRC; not because you are a Pot-head but because you are an Idiot that put your passangers in jeprody and made Burn look like a bunch of jerk-offs.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby wraith » Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:50 am

knowmad wrote:
PatternInterrupt wrote:.... Our driver immediately produced his Oregon medical marijuana card and was escorted back onto the bus to relinquish his medicine. $525 ticket. .... I offered to show my California medical marijuana card


Now what?

Love, Darko


You guys are Fuckin Morons! Nevada is not Oregon! Nevada is not Cali.


They keep trying to convince me pot doesn't make you stupid, but...

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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby tattoogoddess » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:54 am

speaking of things blowing up. Did anyone hear those two VERY loud exsplosions I want to say it was like 3 or 4am wen morning, maybe Tuesday morning. They sounded like ship cannons. I was sleeping on a half deflated air mattress and I could feel the vibrations on the playa. I was at 4 and G. Time span was about 10 seconds between them.


I had nothing but good experienced with LEO. I was waiting outside comensary for Jeff to eat dinner and Many LEO'S were back there. Most were friendly and waved and said hi, or where laughing and having a good time. I said hi to them and they told me to have a good burn.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby ranger magnum » Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:59 pm

I have no sympathy for those that get busted for pot, or those that consent to a search. Regardless of whether you are dirty or clean, NEVER CONSENT TO A SEARCH. Remember, cops are only a one way taxi to the gray bar hotel. They do not have your best interest in mind.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby BeachBum » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:57 pm

I had an extremely unethical interaction with what i believed to be an undercover officer. Please note that I am a fairly conservative middle aged guy, who has absolutely nothing to do with any illegal activity, especially NO drugs. Also, please note that I have much respect for law enforcement, it's a very tough job.

On exodus morning, there was a gal loudly wailing at the 6:30 & I portapotties, about "Please help me", "I can't find my keys", ... People over 200 feet away heard her cries.

I, and a gal, went over to help her, spending about 10+ minutes calming her down, ..., and ... . The "wailing" gal then tried to "thank" us by trying to push a very large quantity of an illegal substance into our hands. I turned to the gal also helping her and said, "f___ing undercover", and pushed the illegal substance away from us back into the "wailing" undercover gal. The undercover gal then closed up her vehicle and drove off up 6:30.

It was, imho, obviously an undercover, there were many technical and acting mistakes made on her/their part which I'm not going into here, and no one gives away as "thanks" over $10,000 of anything. There was also the officer in a big white marked SUV that came past about 30 seconds later, who I assumed to be her backup, who waved and nodded at me as if to say, "Good job".

It's just that, imho, trying (and failing) to use trickery to push a very large quantity of an illegal substance into someone's hands, so they can say, "Oh, look, we caught a drug dealer" is extremely unethical. I don't know the details of the law and court precedents, but, imho, it's apparently blatant entrapment, and also effectively violates, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor".

I reported this unethical interaction, in much more detail than I am willing to express here, to the Burning Man Legal Department via a form turned in that day at the BRC Ranger station, the NV ACLU, and it's in the mail to one of the Lawyers for Burners. And, yes, as you can tell, I'm not happy that an officer tried to very randomly ruin my life, and/or the life of the gal who also helped this undercover gal, in such an unethical fashion.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby knowmad » Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:05 pm

nah she was prolly trying to ditch her surpluss cause she was being tailed. dump it in a porto and they pull it out match samples/prints and busted.
then agian she was prolly just higher than jesus. who knows.
LEO's are pretty ligit when it comes to Narcotic bust. they have a D.A. to answer to and would rather error on the side of caution than risk their jobs. that and they are notoriously lazy.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby captain mcguiver » Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:24 pm

MacGlenver wrote:It would be helpful to merge the 2012 LEO threads viewtopic.php?f=56&t=61372 and this one viewtopic.php?f=69&t=61360, from MacGlenver and Captain Mcguiver. What's with that?
It's funny that both of us "Macguivers" started LEO threads :). Agree on the merge.


No, what's really funny is my camp had doctors in it as well, and we gave up some 50' of frontage road to some random Swiss Family we adopted into our semi-theme camp. I spent some time trying to figure out if in fact, we were in the same camp.

I have no problem merging any threads, all I want is information and education. Seems like a lot of people are throwing their rights away.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby percussivepaul » Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:57 pm

Someone I know was busted. Pulled over for an obstructed plate due to bike rack (heard there was a lot of that this year). Cops initially friendly, just wanted to let you know about your plate, yeah everything's fine, oh you don't want us to search your car, okay just wait here while we get the dogs (!). Friends said you need probable cause to search, cops said 'we don't need probable cause to sniff with the dogs' (I am told this is not true, and it is at this point where their rights were violated). Dogs supposedly found something, police said now is the time to cough up if you have anything illegal because now we are going to search, and one of the two friends fessed up and was given a $500 ticket.

Here's a question. I can see the intimidation tactics at play here and I think my friend might be boned because she confessed to having drugs, and if she had kept her mouth shut she would have been able to successfully fight anything that they pinned on her. But I'm curious what the consequences are if you DON'T confess, and they proceed to search, and then find something. The police certainly make it sound as though the penalty will be harsher. I think that's a bluff. Is that a bluff? Did anyone hear of an encounter where the person denied having anything, police proceeded to search anyway, then found something? Is it the same $500 fine, or is it worse?
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby BBadger » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:42 pm

percussivepaul wrote:Someone I know was busted. Pulled over for an obstructed plate due to bike rack (heard there was a lot of that this year). Cops initially friendly, just wanted to let you know about your plate, yeah everything's fine, oh you don't want us to search your car, okay just wait here while we get the dogs (!). Friends said you need probable cause to search, cops said 'we don't need probable cause to sniff with the dogs' (I am told this is not true, and it is at this point where their rights were violated). Dogs supposedly found something, police said now is the time to cough up if you have anything illegal because now we are going to search, and one of the two friends fessed up and was given a $500 ticket.

Here's a question. I can see the intimidation tactics at play here and I think my friend might be boned because she confessed to having drugs, and if she had kept her mouth shut she would have been able to successfully fight anything that they pinned on her. But I'm curious what the consequences are if you DON'T confess, and they proceed to search, and then find something. The police certainly make it sound as though the penalty will be harsher. I think that's a bluff. Is that a bluff? Did anyone hear of an encounter where the person denied having anything, police proceeded to search anyway, then found something? Is it the same $500 fine, or is it worse?


This is dead horsery, but bears repeating. Here is how it works:

- Confession = Guilty. FAIL. Do not pass go, pay up your fine, maybe even suffer additional consequences. Unless your time is so valuable that $525 or whatever the fine and black mark on your record is worth maybe getting it over with, don't confess. Hell, even if your time is that valuable, they may now have probable cause, and a bored officer can make your life living hell. So never, ever confess unless you are in a court of law and your lawyer advises that a guilty plea will be a better option than fighting the charge pleading not guilty.

Point 2: Your punishment will not be any lessened by confessing no matter what the officer says. You can only lessen your punishment if you are in a court of law and your lawyer has worked out a plea deal. The playa is not a court of law. Maybe if you're packing 30 kilos of top-grade china white in the tires it might be a calculated move to just taking the hit for some pot you've confessed with; however, generally you're worse off, and you've still just given them the green light to find all the other contraband you may or may not be carrying.

- Saying you're innocent and then proven guilty = harsher penalty because you lied. Example: "We found this in your tent." "That's not mine." "We determined that it is, and since you lied about it, you get hit with another charge for lying to an officer."

- Truthfully having no contraband, etc., saying so = Maybe the cops will still find something, and still pin it on you. Same result as above. Never volunteer any information. Silence is golden. "Someone else left it here. It's not ours." "No, we determined that because it is in your camp, it belongs to you, and you are responsible for it." Oops, what can you do? Nothing.

- Shutting up and saying absolutely nothing = Only guilty if they can legally search your belongings and find something. YOUR BEST OPTION. "We found this in your camp, do you know what it is?" "Officer, I respectfully decline to answer that." He can't do anything to you unless he has real probable cause, carries out an investigation, and actually proves guilt. Until then, you are innocent.

Conclusion:

Anything you say, can and will be used against you. Conversely, nothing you say can or will be used for you.

Say nothing besides your legal obligation to provide your name if asked. This includes the truth, vouching for friends, trying to "help" etc. Nothing you say will help. Just shut up. Do ask if you're being detained and whether you can leave. Do not consent to a search under any circumstances. Do not confess to anything under any circumstances unless you are in a court of law under advice of a lawyer.

If you are arrested, being interrogated, etc. do not say anything. Do not believe any statements about what others have said, etc. Police officers are allowed to lie. You are not. Also, anything you say can be used against your friends and yourself. The best way to get your "alibis" straight with friends or witnesses is to say nothing. That is the solution to the prisoner dilemma.

Police officers can also lie with regards to your "rights." They can state that they now have probable cause even if they do not. No, your rights are not violated by this. Know your rights.

Above all: shut the hell up.

A good video outlining all this, including advice from an actual cop:



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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:10 pm

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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby CornMan » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:19 pm

It was George Carlin who said that you should never wish to belong to any entity that either prohibits or requires the covering of your head.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby unjonharley » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:45 pm

So, who was stopped for no reason at all?

Who was stopped and was not holding?

Who was ticketed and not holding?

Who was ticketed for a driving offence?

Did anyone refuse a search?

And How many of you think the law dose not keep track of the # of newwads?

So you load up your rig, pack in the drugs and run thunder road, get your ass jammed so you can post it on eplaya

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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby wraith » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:57 pm

Every year, this thread serves to remind me that there are a lot of people too dumb to resist bringing drugs to the Playa when they know every alphabet agency short of the NSA are going to be out looking for them.

Not getting high for a week is a lot less of a hassle than a felony, kids.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby Dr. Pyro » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:52 pm

And how do you know for sure the NSA isn't also looking for them, hmmmmmm?
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby wraith » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:53 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:And how do you know for sure the NSA isn't also looking for them, hmmmmmm?


They're probably just watching the livestream. :lol:
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby percussivepaul » Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:14 am

So, who was stopped for no reason at all?
Who was stopped and was not holding?
Who was ticketed and not holding?
Who was ticketed for a driving offence?
Did anyone refuse a search?


I know you're enjoying the high horse, but I heard of and saw several stops for obstructed plates which were followed by searches with drug dogs. I'm fairly certain the police don't have the right to bring drug dogs after you for a traffic violation. I heard anecdotes and one firsthand story of people explicitly refusing a search and having drug dogs come anyway. 'Obstructed plate' could apply to any car with a bike rack on it or even a bit of mud on the plate; it's not quite 'no reason at all' but it's an abnormally restrictive interpretation of the traffic law. I have an issue with cars being pulled over on this charge and then being searched with drug dogs without consent.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby BBadger » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:15 am

percussivepaul wrote:I know you're enjoying the high horse, but I heard of and saw several stops for obstructed plates which were followed by searches with drug dogs. I'm fairly certain the police don't have the right to bring drug dogs after you for a traffic violation. I heard anecdotes and one firsthand story of people explicitly refusing a search and having drug dogs come anyway. 'Obstructed plate' could apply to any car with a bike rack on it or even a bit of mud on the plate; it's not quite 'no reason at all' but it's an abnormally restrictive interpretation of the traffic law. I have an issue with cars being pulled over on this charge and then being searched with drug dogs without consent.


How do you know that these other people were not also ignorant or stupid enough to confess and/or agree to a search?

If it happened to your friends, it could happen to other people too.

Your friends' case in particular went down like this:

They got pulled over for obstructed plates. Officers automatically--because they were talking to a burner--said they would like to search the vehicle. Your friends said they refuse, and stated that the police need probable cause to search. Cops said they don't need probable cause to sniff with dogs.

Analysis:

Going fine until your friends continued the conversation by stating that there is a need for probable cause. That gave the police a foot in the door to keep talking and keep pressing for a search. Instead, say only that you refuse a search, and then ask if you are being detained. If you are, ask them to explain the probable cause for stopping and searching. The distinction here is that now you're asking the cops what is the probable cause, not acting defensive saying there is no probable cause.

At this point the traffic violation takes a bad turn. The cops can clearly see the prospect of dogs sniffing the vehicle scares your friends. They press their luck and bring some dogs to sniff around.

Analysis:

Your friends are still in good shape, even if they gave the cops an opening earlier.

No, your friends' rights were not violated.

Police can bring dogs to sniff around your car. It is equivalent to police officers peering into your car's windows, or walking around and looking under the car. Those are legally observable spaces. That is not "searching." It's just air around your car and dogs can indeed sniff that. They're not IN your vehicle; they're not SEARCHING your belonging.

Then the cops say the dogs found something and that they're 'going to search'. "Now is the time to cough up! It'll be far worse for you if we find something!" Then your friends stupidly confess, and confirms guilt.

Oops.

Analysis:

Officers can lie. They're allowed to. The fact of the matter is that if the officers had probable cause to search, they would've already searched your vehicle and found whatever they were looking for. Instead they could only threaten it even with false promises.

The cops had no probable cause, so they were trying to scare your friends into confession. It worked.

Remember: what cops cannot do is search your vehicle unless they have a warrant, or if they have actual probable cause to do so using specific facts (for example if you have a bong on the dashboard, or your car really does smell like a pot farm). I doubt your friends were that stupid.

Never ever consent to a search. Never confess. Let the police work for it if they're so inclined, but don't torpedo yourself unnecessarily.

How it should've gone down:

"The dogs are picking up a scent. We're going to search, now is the time to cough up!"

"Officer, I politely refuse to provide any information. I also do not consent to a search. Am I free to go?"

"We believe our dogs have picked up the scent of contraband in your car."
<-- Delaying tactic, not a reason.

"Officer, I ask again: am I free to go? If not, please explain your probable cause."

At this point the delaying tactics of the officer cannot be applied. He must either point to specific facts for probable cause, or release you.

Oh yeah, and following the script with no openings will take the wind out of the police's sails. Now they're dealing with someone who is bulletproof and a waste of time. They want easy pickings, the type of people who crumple under pressure.

What is the worst that can happen?

You do get searched. They find whatever you would've confessed to, and you get the same penalty unless you really were trafficking a whole lot more contraband than a shitty ticket would be worth. Anyone doing that would probably do a better job hiding it and knowing his rights, but I digress...

Anyway, know your rights:

Print out one of these cards from the ACLU, and take it with you next time. They hand them out at center camp too at times, but it's good to have them before you enter as well. Hell, memorize them. It's not that hard.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby CitizenRandom » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:33 am

[quote][/quote]I don't know the details of the law and court precedents, but, imho, it's apparently blatant entrapment, and also effectively violates, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor".

Um ..The legal term is a precident that is refered to as "Fruit of the forbidden tree- " refering to the illegal and unethical manner in which a respected law official or officer of the court is observed or reported and proves to be verified presumably with in the premiss of standard coarse of average reason- to be colored by an act of reputted dishonest or unconstitutional predijuce or malfisance to create a guilty party from where none exsisted under the color of law. The term that it illustrates sets forth the manner in which a court of law MUST (legal term) reveiw and then strike ALL forms of evidentuary exhibits pertinant-and testemony based upon wether or not it falls with in that particular terminology as evident .
In itself based on merit of the conduct entailed in upon bring the accused to the court and determining just remedy- . Any evidence proved before the court to be by reasonable consideration of the facts - to be tainted by the "Fruit of the Forbidden Tree" that is brought forth in clear and convincing violations of laws set forth by the high courts and the Constituion/Bill of Rights and the Amendments- known as the common law of the land - are then to be regarded as
CRAP! - If the cops break the laws- to uphold the laws- they are to be regarded as untrusted as is the evidence the bring forth. Thrown the fuck outta court- not guilty!
a consideration before copping a plea and or opening up yer big fat mouth..or
relying on the Old and or New testement to get you outta your drug ticket trap at Burningman.

ie- a cop who is a dishonest cheating lying fuck whom has no respect or regard for the laws our founding fathers set forth- the standard in which we entrust them to uphold and the persons of who fight and have fought for those laws died for those truthes we hold self evident- and so forth

" thou Shall Not.." ... isnt even on the legal radar .
perhaps Officer Jesus will win a lottery spot next year and bear a 500 sheckle and three fleese hides ticket with his false witness sniffing goats against the Pharoahs gaurd that surely gamed to unsurpt thyne bretheren at this the most dusty of false idol whorshipping events in the Lake of Fire durring the end of this our earths last age- before the 7th trup and the end of times? Yes?

Personally i felt elated at discovering thru many potentially problematic random conversations with the state and federal constipulary officials - that
THEY werent too Horrible!
In Fact ..I...I...(choke..squirm) rather liked many of them.... and found them to be...( COUGH ! clears throat -loosens tie..struggles with embarrassing truth that disproves prior beleif..)) HUMAN!!
If California had cops like the ones that I crossed paths with in Neva Neva Land- Well we'd all rest better- shoot bigger guns along with them while enjoying our rights and feeling a bit more protected...Maybe.Shit they even vote for Small time judges like Justices of the Peace" and Assistant DA s...NOT possible in California- Nevada is a Peoples State-

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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby unjonharley » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:53 am

Damn, Here I go and install extra lights on the trailer and make sure they work properly each time I stop for gas or rest.. Then put on out rigger mirros for safety.
Along with tools and extra parts I tarp down the load and check the ropes at each stop.. Hold down to just a hair below the speed limit..

But your guy show me : All I need to do is throw the shit in the van so full it's sticking out the windows and hang what every on the outside like the Beverly Hillbilly.. Then make the run to BRC.. If a cop tickets me, I pay the fine and come on eplaya and bitch up a storm about the Nv police state.

Years ago when I muled shit..I would barrow some ole lady with two three nosey nosed kids and a dog.. Make the run in a beat up station wagon.. No a cop in the world would search wet dippers let along stop a rig like that..
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby vapor » Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:27 am

Yeah, know that they are profiling incoming cars for an easy bust - not fair, not legal, but a fact. Keep your vehicle as tight and clean as possible, sit upright and pay attention (seriously, body language matters a lot), etc. Stop before turning on to 447 and take a pause to assess you and passengers appearance and state of mind. Clean up a bit, clear your head, pretend you are spending the next 3 hours in a job interview. Yeah, we're all whacked from no sleep preparing and a long drive, yeah, we're all really excited to be home. But just a small amount of attention to your appearance (vehicle and self) can make all the difference. Save the radical self expression for the event, which doesn't start until you are parked.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby jkisha » Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:00 pm

vapor wrote:Yeah, know that they are profiling incoming cars for an easy bust - not fair, not legal, but a fact. Keep your vehicle as tight and clean as possible, sit upright and pay attention (seriously, body language matters a lot), etc. Stop before turning on to 447 and take a pause to assess you and passengers appearance and state of mind. Clean up a bit, clear your head, pretend you are spending the next 3 hours in a job interview. Yeah, we're all whacked from no sleep preparing and a long drive, yeah, we're all really excited to be home. But just a small amount of attention to your appearance (vehicle and self) can make all the difference. Save the radical self expression for the event, which doesn't start until you are parked.

Definitely some great advice. I read some of these stories and I think I must be attending a different event. It would sure add context to the posts if pictures of the vehicle and how the people looked at the time of the encounter were also posted.

Hey, profiling may not be right, but it's all a game, you play to win, or you pay the price.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby gyre » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:08 pm

As long as cops are allowed to lie, they must be considered criminals.

Act accordingly.

I never refuse a search.
I say I will wait for a search warrant.

There are good reasons for saying this.
You should know them.


And prosecutors as the watchdog to prevent police misconduct?
Not in this country.

I have proposed a fair play law for false prosecution that will apply to police and prosecutors.
Maybe you can explain why no prosecutor is honest enough to support it?
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby corymckz » Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:07 pm

I'm driving down F late night wed. night.
Coming towards me is a car and walking down the middle of the street is a guy.
The car coming towards us arrives at the guy before I do.
All of a sudden the car slams to a stop, two cops jump out, grab the guy and throw him up against the car.
As I pass I hear the cops say, "Dont tell us to slow down, were cops, we can go as fast as we want."
All the while shoving the guy up against the car.

My instinct was to stop and get the cops information but they were being total dicks to this guy.
I feared my involvement would have just incited them more.

First off, anyone who has walked down the street knows that when the headlights are in your face, it takes a moment before you know what just passed you. From the timing of the scene, that guy had no idea it was cops that he was telling to slow down.
But besides that, he had every right to say anything he wanted to this car.
What I saw was a blatant assault by two cops on a guy that did nothing to deserve it.
And if those cops were going too fast, clearly they were not running off to the scene of a crime since they had time to fuck with this guy unnecessarily.

If this was you and your reading this, file charges and I'll back you up. There were two of us in the car that saw you being roughed up by abusive asshole cops.

I find it hard to believe you knew they were cops but besides that, nothing you could have said should have resulted in the abuse you received. We saw they kept shoving you to the car and harassing you. We slowed down enough to witness their continued abuse of you.

Had I the courage, I would have gotten their names.
But the stories coming out of interacting with the cops were so outrageous, I couldnt make myself engage.

And the worst part of it all for me,
I had to eat with these fuckers in the commissary.
Knowing that two of them totally screwed with 3 peoples good time just so they can abuse their power.
It totally killed my night. I'm sure it messed with yours as well.
My sympathies to the lone guy on f.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby knowmad » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:18 am

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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby gyre » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:15 am

corymckz wrote:I'm driving down F late night wed. night.
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My sympathies to the lone guy on f.

Please be sure to file a report with burning man about this.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby MacGlenver » Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:56 am

gyre wrote:
corymckz wrote:I'm driving down F late night wed. night.
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My sympathies to the lone guy on f.

Please be sure to file a report with burning man about this.


^ This.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby Bob » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:13 am

One reason to carry a timepiece and a notepad.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby CapSmashy » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:17 am

Heard they were being very aggressive past Greeters on opening night/morning.

We were warning everyone at Gate that came through Monday morning to put on their seatbelts, 5mph, no open containers and that the cops were being over zealous.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby randomguy2u » Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:48 pm

Sunday night my bike was stolen with a bag containing my fire staff from the temple burn. Monday afternoon i drove back to the temple burn location to see if they left the bag behind. I was told by a ranger i couldn't drive in the middle of the playa until 6pm. I slowly headed out of the area when 2 more cars stopped me. He said he smelled marijuana. He wanted me to roll down passenger window so BLM could talk to me. He reached in and found a crumb of pot on the dash. He asked if I had a medical prescription in California I said yes. So they ended up searching, and I got a ticket for possesion of controlled substance (hash) , drug paraphernalia, and an open container. I am not looking for sympathy I just want to know the repercussions of this from somebody that may have had these tickets at past burns. I read one that said they are all misdemeanors, but in some priviliged information federal record? I would appreciate any info about this.
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Re: 2012 Experiences with Police

Postby wraith » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:57 pm

randomguy2u wrote:Sunday night my bike was stolen with a bag containing my fire staff from the temple burn. Monday afternoon i drove back to the temple burn location to see if they left the bag behind. I was told by a ranger i couldn't drive in the middle of the playa until 6pm. I slowly headed out of the area when 2 more cars stopped me. He said he smelled marijuana. He wanted me to roll down passenger window so BLM could talk to me. He reached in and found a crumb of pot on the dash. He asked if I had a medical prescription in California I said yes. So they ended up searching, and I got a ticket for possesion of controlled substance (hash) , drug paraphernalia, and an open container. I am not looking for sympathy I just want to know the repercussions of this from somebody that may have had these tickets at past burns. I read one that said they are all misdemeanors, but in some priviliged information federal record? I would appreciate any info about this.



As usual, this could all have been avoided by the simple decision not to transport Schedule 1 drugs across state borders and onto federal land.

That said, we're not lawyers and you need legal advice. Try lawyers for burners or your own legal counsel.
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