PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

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PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby Jora » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:32 pm

Some friends were diagnosed with pneumonia a few days ago, I dont think its a good idea to go to burning man with pneumonia, especially this year, what with the extreme dust conditions. Needing some guidance form my fellow Burners to convince my virgin friends that staying ALIVE is better than going to Burning Man and possibly DYING. HELP! :oops:
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby Eric » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:39 pm

Have them talk to their doctor, and explain to the doctor what the conditions they'll be facing are.

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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby Jora » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:46 pm

I'm afraid that regardless of what their doctors say they will try to go in any case, Im asking the community in hopes of getting an opinion that they will trust (sad they dont trust their doctors). I want them to hear it from someone (other than myself) that knows the conditions and severity of peak health on the playa. I dont think they realize the severity of the environment they will putting themselves into, not for lack of trying on my part.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby TomServo » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:48 pm

while they aren't as contagious, after the first couple days, is it really worth the risk?
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby Bob » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:56 pm

We aren't their mommies, nor are you.

Regardless, Burning Man has seen fit to publish some health information.

http://www.burningman.com/preparation/event_survival/health_safety.html
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby some seeing eye » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:18 pm

We understand the draw of the playa. Do your playmates have insurance coverage for helicopter airlift evacuation and subsequent hospitalization for a few days in Reno? 10's of Kdollars - 50?. Playa medical has better and better diagnostics, but they are not going to risk a death over evacuation.

Pneumonia weakens the lungs, so a whole series of life threatening scenarios could easily be triggered by playa dust which is fine, an irritant and contains organic matter, including viable shrimp eggs. Want to really get them motivated? Think Alien (just joking, and I am not a medical professional!)

I believe there have been threads on he dust composition, playa lung, playa health and references to a physician knowledgeable.

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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby phil » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:50 pm

Does your friend have a workable plan for leaving in the middle of the event if he decides it's too much? If so, then I'd say it's his choice.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:57 pm

Unless he got some sort of antibiotic resistant strain, he won't have pneumonia in two weeks when the event opens. When he talks to his doctor he should find out what "healthy enough" consists of.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby some seeing eye » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:17 pm

I had to evacuate a friend to Reno one year who had a sinus infection that was made unbearably worse enough by the dust for him to quit mid week. I got an out-in pass and drove him to Reno to head home. We joke that last year was better, but maybe next year will be better for your friends.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby Jax Dee » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:28 pm

I actually attended my first year in 2008 with pneumonia. My doctor and I went over every scenario, he helped me prepare medically with advice and with antibiotics if I got worse. He had me wear a medical bracelet and print my emergency info on dog tags that I wore the entire time I was there. I took extreme caution, bringing inhalers, meds, really good dust masks, thermometer to monitor my temp constantly and blood pressure wrist cuff, and instantly going inside if a dust storm came up. I RESTED a lot. I actually cleared up very fast out there b/c dry air versus humid is actually good for pneumonia. But that was my particular case (which I reiterate was FULLY mapped out with my DOCTOR) and I was prepared for the possible cost/necessity of leaving early myself or even being helicoptered out. If they go about this the right way and have their doctor's blessing it can be doable. But like Eric already said...doctor doctor doctor!
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby trilobyte » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:32 pm

Remind your friends they assume all risk of death, they're probably old enough to be able to make their own decisions from there.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby gyre » Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:08 am

If they are contagious and expose other people, they won't be welcome now or later.
They could be bounced out, or not allowed to enter.

Some places prosecute people that travel very ill.
I have become sick twice from idiots riding the bus, last time two months with pneumonia, nearly to the hospital.
Loads of fun.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to go sick.

If they get well before they go, fine.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby mudpuppy000 » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:57 am

I've had Pneumonia once and I can't imagine trying to go camping feeling like that... You should basically be lying in bed drinking a crapload of water, not out in the desert overexerting yourself and getting dehydrated.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby Bob » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:06 am

Would be funny if they contracted Valley Fever on top of bacterial pneumonia.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby stinkyfoot » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:35 pm

some seeing eye wrote:including viable shrimp eggs.



So I could make seamonkeys if I had enough playa dust?
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:23 pm

stinkyfoot wrote:
some seeing eye wrote:including viable shrimp eggs.



So I could make seamonkeys if I had enough playa dust?

Yes, but they wouldn't build castles.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby teardropper » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:10 pm

stinkyfoot wrote:
some seeing eye wrote:including viable shrimp eggs.



So I could make seamonkeys if I had enough playa dust?

Yes, you could.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby Jax Dee » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:32 am

gyre wrote:If they are contagious and expose other people, they won't be welcome now or later.
They could be bounced out, or not allowed to enter.

Some places prosecute people that travel very ill.
I have become sick twice from idiots riding the bus, last time two months with pneumonia, nearly to the hospital.
Loads of fun.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to go sick.

If they get well before they go, fine.


Gyre has a good point. It's not just your health but every one else's too. I was cleared by my doc as not infectious. I would never go around groups of people, especially on planes, contagious.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby Bob » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:33 am

There's a foetid little ranch reservoir a couple miles up the road from the Burning Man driveway that always seems to emit the distinctive aroma of brine shrimp when not frozen over, and I've often imagined migratory flamingos dropping in to snack on them. No such luck, all I've seen are the usual drab little shorebirds.

Apropos of something, the Chipaya tribe of the Bolivia highlands has been known to hunt the flamingo with bolas, to satisfy the demand of Andean miners who believe that flamingo fat is a cure for silicosis.

Hey, if you don't learn something new on the eplaya every day, needless to say, you're doing it wrong.
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:50 am

I learned that I can set up as a snake-oil salesman in Bolivia. All I have to do is find something cheaper than flamingo fat and undercut the indigeious trade...
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Re: PNEUMONIA at Burning Man?

Postby stinkyfoot » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:21 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
stinkyfoot wrote:
some seeing eye wrote:including viable shrimp eggs.



So I could make seamonkeys if I had enough playa dust?

Yes, but they wouldn't build castles.


I hope they at least come out wearing little tuxedos and spacesuits.
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