Service Dog on the Playa?

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Postby DoriumLux » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:12 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
DoriumLux wrote:I understand that, but i didn't mean something would happen to the dog.

I meant what happens if she has something happen while locked inside the port-o-lette. (IE: 8-10 seizures per month)

how is the dog going to know, or be able to do anything while the owner is locked inside. The dog might be able to alert someone near by of the danger inside, but still, 3 hours from medical services, and who knows how long the owner will be cooking inside.

I understand the dogs are well trained, I know a dog is perfectly capable of "sitting" but a week of dehydration, explosions, overheating, and 50,000 unpredictable people running around....I dunno, Superman had a well trained animal as well, and so did Sigfried, and we know how those stories go. I hardly am able to tell how a person is going to act let alone an animal who can't speak out on the playa. People should consider worse case scenarios. At the very least she should bring a human companion who is trained to help her and can communicate for her in english.

but what do I know, there may be a dog whisperer near by that can talk to he lil' guy if she needs help.



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DoriumLux wrote:Also, How will you use a porta potty with a service dog? What if something happens to you while in the bathroom? Who will hold the dog while you are inside?
You have got to be kidding. A Service Dog is well-trained enough to wait outside the blue room while bladder and bowels are releived. They don't take some random Jack Russel and give a couple of weeks training and say "you're a service dog now!" It may not be wise to take the dog, but let's not take it for solid reasons, not goofy ones.


Didn't I read that the dog can sense an attack up to two hours before it happens? I know I get a little blocked up on the playa, but two hours in the blue rooms. Not if robbidobbs herself wiped the seat, and when I was done, my ass.



"Up to" Isn't that just a best case scenario? I don't count on best case scenarios and I don't think people should either. Especially, in an harsh environment. I think if she is going to do this, she should at the very least also bring a human companion. She even admitted she has memory problems and anxiety.
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Postby Fire_Moose » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:14 am

Yer dog, no matter how smart, will not get you back to yer tent.
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Postby crstophr » Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:31 pm

I keep thinking of the dog's feet. Can it handle wearing doggie hiking booties? My feet last merely hours in playa dust before the gritty alkaline dust starts to sting my toes. I'd really worry about the dog's pads being painfully damaged in a day.

Some thoughts if you must bring your dog:

Light it up VERY well at night. Wasted people on bikes could really injure it.
Same thing for the dogs leash so nobody tried to go between you in the dark.
Constant supply of water on hand.
Are you coming in an RV? An air conditioned environment seems like a must.

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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby gomelgo » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:25 pm

Wow, I had a hard time following this thread with so many people cautioning someone not to bring their dog. Where does this begin to be messing with someone's burn? I think anyone with a service dog will take great care of their animal. I also think that if a person feels better having the dog with them, it is THEIR decision. Sure, I can see both sides of this argument. But ultimately, isn't each of us responsible for our own burn? There are many ways to mitigate every single issue brought up in this thread.

playa dust? - booties, doggie goggles
tents too loud? - use an RV
poop? - what about the human poop and pee? Playa puddles abound at BM

Not everyone who has a service dog, needs to take that dog to every event. Some service dogs are trained to deal with loud noises. All service dogs are well socialized to humans early in life. In fact, there should be a camp for people who cannot enjoy the burn without their service animals. And for those who say it's not "self reliant" I strongly disagree. It's like saying someone in a wheelchair cannot be self reliant, which is actually discrimination. It's sad that people would be so sanctimonious over someone who wants to come to the burn, and feels the need to bring their life line.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Rice » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:42 pm

gomelgo wrote:Wow, I had a hard time following this thread with so many people cautioning someone not to bring their dog. Where does this begin to be messing with someone's burn? I think anyone with a service dog will take great care of their animal. I also think that if a person feels better having the dog with them, it is THEIR decision. Sure, I can see both sides of this argument. But ultimately, isn't each of us responsible for our own burn? There are many ways to mitigate every single issue brought up in this thread.

playa dust? - booties, doggie goggles
tents too loud? - use an RV
poop? - what about the human poop and pee? Playa puddles abound at BM

Not everyone who has a service dog, needs to take that dog to every event. Some service dogs are trained to deal with loud noises. All service dogs are well socialized to humans early in life. In fact, there should be a camp for people who cannot enjoy the burn without their service animals. And for those who say it's not "self reliant" I strongly disagree. It's like saying someone in a wheelchair cannot be self reliant, which is actually discrimination. It's sad that people would be so sanctimonious over someone who wants to come to the burn, and feels the need to bring their life line.

This thread was from 2009.

Since dogs are not allowed at Burning Man without written authorization from Burning Man LLC, this discussion is kind of mute anyhow. If someone is trying to bring a service dog and has not made the effort to get pre-authorized, they probably will be turned away at the gate. (I suspect they would need to prove that their animal can handle the environment and that they have a plan.)

If we really thought about it, no one should go. It is a harsh brutal environment that is actively trying to kill us all ;)

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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:09 pm

MOOT, not mute.

Otherwise yeah, what stretch said.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Rice » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:43 pm

BoyScoutGirl wrote:MOOT, not mute.

Otherwise yeah, what stretch said.

Oops!! I should have noticed that.


Hmm, "Mute point" vs "Moot point"? anyone??
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:42 pm

I don't see anyone taking a service dog to the playa for training (please don't).
So the only person who brings a service dog to the playa should be someone who is challenged enough to need a service dog.
Now can someone like that take care of their service dog adequately? Just wondering.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:46 pm

You know, Dougly, disabilities are very individual. And none of us is going to be able to predict what any one person can or cannot do, and with what sort of assisstance, without a whole lot more information...
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Lonesomebri » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:50 pm

Who ever is planning to Serve Dog still needs to get a permit from the dept. of health.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby CornMan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Law enforcement brings their dog out. They must have a plan. Perhaps if law enforcement first checked with the eplaya crowd to see if bringing their dog was prudent or not, they'd have a clearer picture of the situation and leave the pooch at home.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Drawingablank » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:50 pm

The real issue is not whether service dogs should be allowed (they should), but rather is it wise to bring them - and the reality is it depends on the situation. Essentially, It boils down to concern about the health of that valued and loved companion.

Playa conditions are at best, very difficult.

Most first timers really have no clue at all how difficult it can be on the playa, and virtually nothing else in North America will prepare you for it. A lack in any aspect of preparedness could easily be harmful or fatal to the dog.

IMO, first timers with service dogs should try to hook up with a veteran at the least to help reduce the risks.

Playa veterans that find themselves needing a service dog pretty much know what to expect so the risk to the dog is somewhat reduced.

On another note - should there be a problem , have you considered the distance to the nearest vet should the dog need medical attention?

In the final analysis, do you feel you can prepare enough to not endanger your beloved dog?
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby trilobyte » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:59 pm

Law enforcement dogs have an off-the-playa location for sleep/rest.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Bob » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:11 pm

gomelgo wrote:Wow, I had a hard time following this thread with so many people cautioning someone not to bring their dog. Where does this begin to be messing with someone's burn? I think anyone with a service dog will take great care of their animal. I also think that if a person feels better having the dog with them, it is THEIR decision. Sure, I can see both sides of this argument. But ultimately, isn't each of us responsible for our own burn? There are many ways to mitigate every single issue brought up in this thread.

playa dust? - booties, doggie goggles
tents too loud? - use an RV
poop? - what about the human poop and pee? Playa puddles abound at BM

Not everyone who has a service dog, needs to take that dog to every event. Some service dogs are trained to deal with loud noises. All service dogs are well socialized to humans early in life. In fact, there should be a camp for people who cannot enjoy the burn without their service animals. And for those who say it's not "self reliant" I strongly disagree. It's like saying someone in a wheelchair cannot be self reliant, which is actually discrimination. It's sad that people would be so sanctimonious over someone who wants to come to the burn, and feels the need to bring their life line.


Ultimately, it's a private event and they can kick your ass out, the eleventh principle being Radical Mercy.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby CornMan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:58 pm

I've worked at Cal Expo (California State Fair) doing drywall and painting. During a ADA meeting, the big boss said that the venue will in no way ever contest a claim whether or not a person has a service animal. He instructed us (the ticket takers this case) to never question if an animal is a service animal or not - even if it's a monkey or whatnot, just let the person and the animal in. They've probably been stung by a lawsuit. You don't mess around with such a demographic.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Bob » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:18 pm

That's a governmental entity. Burning Man is private.

ADA lawsuits would be fucking amusing, tho...
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby jkisha » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:22 pm

Bob wrote:
gomelgo wrote:Wow, I had a hard time following this thread with so many people cautioning someone not to bring their dog. Where does this begin to be messing with someone's burn? I think anyone with a service dog will take great care of their animal. I also think that if a person feels better having the dog with them, it is THEIR decision. Sure, I can see both sides of this argument. But ultimately, isn't each of us responsible for our own burn? There are many ways to mitigate every single issue brought up in this thread.

playa dust? - booties, doggie goggles
tents too loud? - use an RV
poop? - what about the human poop and pee? Playa puddles abound at BM

Not everyone who has a service dog, needs to take that dog to every event. Some service dogs are trained to deal with loud noises. All service dogs are well socialized to humans early in life. In fact, there should be a camp for people who cannot enjoy the burn without their service animals. And for those who say it's not "self reliant" I strongly disagree. It's like saying someone in a wheelchair cannot be self reliant, which is actually discrimination. It's sad that people would be so sanctimonious over someone who wants to come to the burn, and feels the need to bring their life line.


Ultimately, it's a private event and they can kick your ass out, the eleventh principle being Radical Mercy.


I'm no lawyer, but the ADA laws are pretty protective. Kicking a person with a disability that required a service dog out of the event might get BMORG in a whole shitload of trouble.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Bob » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:47 pm

Somebody should give me an art grant to be the queen in charge of kicking people out.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby motskyroonmatick » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:31 pm

Fuck yeah! Bring the dog and dog master on!!!! To me you look like you have your shit together wayyyyyyyy more than the average. Get permission. Close that door and burn like hell. You deserve it.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby maladroit » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:51 pm

A person that goes to Burning Man (usually) knows what they are going to experience.

A dog does not know, and can't plan ahead, or decide not to go. It is totally dependent on the owner.

People can complain to others, call for help, describe what they're feeling. They can seek out shelter or water as they wish.

A dog can communicate on a very basic level and is often misunderstood. They are being dragged around by another being, subject to that beings whims and needs alone. They don't have the freedom to decide to drop everything, drink water, and flop down in the shade until they feel better.

Go to Burning Man. Pick a random person to be responsible for your every need...food, water, shelter, dust protection, bodily functions. You are not allowed to speak or mime to them, only frown if something is wrong. How long would you survive?

There are great dog owners out there, who have thought of everything. There are also crappy dog owners who would leave a dog tied to a stake while they go party.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:12 am

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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:30 am

This is pretty much Sturm und Drang...
Or wild speculation, if you prefer.

If someone with a service animal wishes to attend the event, I hope they would contact the llc directly, and earlier in the year than August.

Department of Mobility wouldn't necessarily be a good resource--my disability is not the same as anyone else's and I have no expertise on service animals.

BLM is federal land, so state regulations don't really apply.

I have no idea if, as a private event, burningman can ban service dogs, or would it would be more trouble than it's worth. If they permitted one in, accommodations (of what nature, I don't know) might be made.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:46 am

*snicker*

(I don't even want to think about some of the automatic responses I've made on this board. Nice to see someone else is active this time of day, though.)
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby CornMan » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:36 am

If they try to ban a person's service animal, the person will likely sue and will win. Not much more to it than that.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Bob » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:04 am

The dog can stay. YOU have to go.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby jkisha » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:32 am

Bob wrote:That's a governmental entity. Burning Man is private.

ADA lawsuits would be fucking amusing, tho...

Ya, they would be amusing.

But I'm pretty sure that ADA applies to private as well as public. Think about theaters and restaurants for example-- certainly privately owned, yet they have to comply with the ADA. Not to mention that BM is being held on public land, and all public/government spaces need to comply with the act.
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Re: Service Dog on the Playa?

Postby Bob » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:07 am

Did somebody say SERVICE dogs?

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