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With Enough Shovels...

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:22 pm

...Actually, one.
I'm thinking of bringing a shovel so if I do get stuck in the soft, and it's looking to be a very soft year, I can at least move the soft stuff out from under my wheels.
I've taken a look on ebay, and what seems to be on offer (that isn't for gardening, that is, more of the army lightweight stuff) looks flimsy...
Should I buy somewhere else? What are they even made of these days, because if it's all plastic, I'm thinking it would be a waste of money...
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby delle » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:42 pm

Hugeass link (because I don't know how you make them sexy) leading to amazon's folding metal spade selection:

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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby AntiM » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:06 pm

You need a folding military shovel.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&index=b ... fstchrm-20

Larry has one (of course he does), they are pretty sturdy.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby burner von braun » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:42 am

Yep, a folding military shovel is a nice thing. .. and they (the one I own anyway) have the option of not only unfolding into a straight shovel, but you can fasten them into a halfway unfolded configuration whereby the blade is at a 90° angle to the handle so it effectively becomes a hoe. I'm thinking that it would be even more effective at scraping soft playa away from your wheels that way.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Elorrum » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:16 am

a hoe from your height might be a good idea. the kids garden tools have short handles, and come in fun colors.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby trilobyte » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:23 am

Another option to consider is a garden shovel (though the army surplus shovel could work). Doesn't scoop as much as a full size shovel, but stows much more easily and you should be able to get the job done (if it comes to that). Another thing you may want to think about are a couple boards or planks. A soft fluffy dune might be something you get stuck in, but toss down a plank for each wheel and you can roll on outta there. Maybe 2 pieces of a 1x6, only a couple feet long each?
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Elorrum » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:37 am

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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Lonesomebri » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:45 am

Along with the shovels and hoes and a pieces of wood to stick under the wheels, a couple lengths of rubber mat, like entry-way rugs or no-nap runners, even the floor mats in the vehicle, can be laid out and tucked under the wheels in the direction your gonna roll, giving a bit of traction to overcome the dust dunes.

One night out in the Canyonlands of south Utah I spent an interesting evening with my stuck car, the deep sand, and a fry pan.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Major Krash » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:11 am

holy crap, Elorrum, that looks even more doable than mine....
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:23 am

I'm hoping not to have to carry 7 different things...
Although having several in the carport might be a good way to try them out, I suppose...
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Eric » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:45 am

Honestly, I would vote the rubber mat route. With a shovel or hoe you're going to have to move all the dunes in your way, with planks or rubber mats you just roll over it. While planks probably have the advantage for stability & traction, the rubber mats should give you a decent amount of traction while having the bonus of being able to be rolled up & tucked away when you don't need them. That means you can get a longer length without having as much hassle to transport it.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby FIGJAM » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:48 am

And put a piece of cord on them so you can retreive them after you roll past them.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:48 am

But how am I going to pick it up again?

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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby AntiM » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:20 pm

I would suggest mats just outside your carport at least. And a whistle.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby trilobyte » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:24 pm

A rubber mat with a tether cord could work out really well.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Lonesomebri » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:26 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:But how am I going to pick it up again?


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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:14 pm

Lonesomebri wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:But how am I going to pick it up again?


Minions.


Ah, the lazy minions who'd rather chase after mats than push me/carry me/pull me out of the drift... I remember them well...
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Canoe » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:01 pm

Lonesomebri wrote:... a couple lengths of rubber mat, like entry-way rugs or no-nap runners, even the floor mats in the vehicle, ...
One night out in the Canyonlands of south Utah I spent an interesting evening with my stuck car, the deep sand, and a fry pan.


+ on the rubber mats

seen rubber mats/runners nailed or screwed to wood planks
seen wood planks with screws in the bottom
I haven't tried either

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wood planks on snow can get launched up to 20 to 30 feet - don't catch them with your shins - can twist and catch you even if you're pushing from the center
fry pan works with snow too
you really don't want to be standing behind when it gets flung out
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby MikeGyver » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:16 pm

I go to the desert a lot and deal with soft sand and here's a few things. First things first don't stop in the soft stuff, I know its not always possible just the easiest solution. Digging out soft sand doesn't really help unless there is hard terrain under it (within a few inches) Unless there is someone who can pull you out eventually powering through has just as much chance of getting you more stuck then getting you out, If you do get stuck a wood plank with studs of some sort for better grip is the best option. Last case scenario you can use the roadside tire change scissor jack ,almost everyone has one unless its been taken out (which is a bad idea), and jack up the stuck axle to either get something under the tire or you can set it so you can push the car and have the jack fall sideways and move the vehicle 6 or so inches.

Either way when I'm driving through the desert I usually have a shovel, tow rope, high lift jack and a 4 foot 4x6 with a couple of bolts through it for added traction. Only been once that I couldn't get myself out with that.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:41 pm

You do realize that I'm talking about the wheelchair, not the van? I need something that I can carry with me and that which give me something to do until someone takes pity on me and pushes/pulls me out. Those moments of waiting are horrible. The helplessness is horrible. Bug on a pin... knot in the stomach just thinking about it...
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Rice » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:48 pm

We use floor mats here when stuck on ice and/or snow. The tether line is an excellent idea...
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby FIGJAM » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:33 pm

Hunters use 2 long strips of indoor/outdoor carpet to get unstuck.

If you had 2 pieces 6"x4', you could carry them rolled up.

And the tethers could keep them rolled up till you need them.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby MikeGyver » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:25 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:You do realize that I'm talking about the wheelchair, not the van? I need something that I can carry with me and that which give me something to do until someone takes pity on me and pushes/pulls me out. Those moments of waiting are horrible. The helplessness is horrible. Bug on a pin... knot in the stomach just thinking about it...


Nope, Silly me only skimmed the thread and thought we were talking about cars.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Bob » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:39 pm

Grapple gun, a la Batman.

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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:30 am

That photo would look so much more authentic with some has-been actor's head popping out of a window...
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby Nipple » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:25 pm

Fishy needs to be upgraded.

We have the techology...

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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:28 am

One year, Dick was so gracious as to put down some carpet in my tent. Sadly, there weren't enough nails, so the carpet became a part of the problem--it bunched up under my wheels. I'm not certain that the matt solutions won't be a problem in the same way.
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby lucky420 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:10 pm

i'm going to ask my coworker about this next week. He runs our home modification program and I'll see if he has any ideas or if there is anything in our work storage that I can bring out that might help you.

I also have a spare rug or 2 if that might help. I have a very low profile rug it is about 6' x 7'. Maybe we could cut it into 2 long pieces for you? We can seal the edges (by burning or with goopy glue)

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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:58 pm

I'm sort of having trouble envisioning the rolled up carpet thing. So, I snap it open and it rolls out evenly in the direction I want to go in? I'll tell you, in 08 or 09 I had some in my carport (thanks, Dick) and it wasn't sufficiently nailed down (thanks idiot that didn't listen to Dick) and it became part of the problem--no traction on carpet over loose dust. I was even wondering whether to ask if those welcome mats that are made of individual pieces of rubber (or something) joined by heavy wire or metal rods were what were meant...
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Re: With Enough Shovels...

Postby lucky420 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:30 pm

the more I think about the rolled up carpet thing...Yeah it might not be viable but I'll bring it anyways. We can try it out if you'd like or maybe you can use it in a different way around camp. I've got room so it's no problem to bring
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