Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

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Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby GenghisComm » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:45 am

Cronyism is partiality to long-standing friends and is contrary in practice and principle to meritocracy. The current Burning Man culture is a prime example; if you have insider connections and know the “right” people, then you’ve already cronied a ticket. In today’s Burning Man, you can enjoy “Radical Inclusion” (the first principle of BM) only if you’re popular or very very lucky. Another principle of Burning Man is gifting, whereby the value of the gift is unconditional and there is no expectation of an exchange for something of equal value. While this may appear to be an admirable principle, it is the root of corruption.

The core principle of Capitalism, on the other hand, is represented by a transaction in which both parties benefit. The exchange is not for something of equal value, but for something of greater value, i.e., each party receives something of greater value for themselves in exchange for giving something of lesser value.

So why is the Burning Man community so vehemently against commodification, and, specifically, scalping? Because today’s Burning Man community has degenerated into an elitist social clique, an exclusive country club for self-righteous popular brats who resent the idea that unpopular kids with enough money might buy their way into their privileged social circle. Ewww! Gag me with a spoon!!!

The fact that the Burning Man community resents scalping shows it’s hypocrisy with regard to its first principle, radical inclusion. The success of the Burning Man event has made it a commodity. Therefore, people who lack the social capital to crony a ticket (but have sufficient financial capital) should not be discouraged from experiencing the event.

Unfortunately, success has ruined the magic of the Burning Man event while its organizers laugh all the way to the bank. Like the dirty Wall Street bankers, has the Burning Man community become elitist insiders who subvert Capitalism for their own benefit?
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby lemur » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:54 am

did you get a ticket ?
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Tanzremix » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:58 am

lemur wrote:did you get a ticket ?


Is that a qualifier to engage in discourse? Or are you proving his point for him?
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Lonesomebri » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:35 am

Sure, Capitalism would fix this……. But, you know of course that cronyism is what successful capitalism uses? They aren't mutually exclusive. Everything is elitist, if you aren’t in on it, you are out. So is the nature of life. Guys who are better looking than me get more chicks, boo hoo. If I don't know when the deadlines for ticket purchase are, I'm out. But to miss that capitalism is elitist,…..that takes some convoluting. And the core principle of capitalism is that both parties gain? Is that the core principle of the Capitalist? Do they know this? Hell, for less than $5 you can get a happy meal, celebrate commodities, really, all it takes is the money; you don’t need to know anyone. Everyone wins. (Or some folks get heart disease while others get rich). Sure, with pure capitalism I could just whore out my girlfriend and buy a ticket from some scalper on ebay, no problem. All those constraints put on pure capitalism getting in my way. Of course the tickets flow to those in the know, but pure capitalism would not suddenly make the tickets go to the deserving. The ticket sales were a mess; canceled sales, directed tickets, scalpers, the sell-out, etc. Life is messy, except for that clean running pure capitalism I hear so much about. I don’t have a ticket but if I get one I will camp with my cronies.

The response to elitism and cronyism isn’t to sell-out more.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Tanzremix » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:47 am

Lonesomebri wrote:Sure, Capitalism would fix this……. But, you know of course that cronyism is what successful capitalism uses? They aren't mutually exclusive......But to miss that capitalism is elitist,…..that takes some convoluting. And the core principle of capitalism is that both parties gain? Is that the core principle of the Capitalist? Do they know this?


Real capitalism is different than the bastardized modern version you're describing. But then ideals are never truly perfect in real life, which is why we can't really apply Adam Smith's thoughts to OP's question. True capitalism is like true communism: totally incompatible with human nature.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:04 am

"Cronyism" also called "nepotism" has been a feature of economic, and governmental, systems for a long, long time. In fact, the sort of "anglo-saxon" virtues as exemplafied by the States, the UK (and associated commonwealths like Australia, Canada), and (West) Germany, almost certainly exist against the tide of experience of most humans since the neolithic revolution. There is a natural tendency (cue evolutionary psychiatry, if you like, here) to favor one's own bloodline. (It is not universal with humans, just saying.)

At any rate, I do wonder at the interjection of current claims in the media into this discussion. What "weight" does this have in the mind of the op and how does it effect the rest of us.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby BBadger » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:48 am

Grade: C-

- Claims of cronyism/nepotism are not supported by evidence, either in the post, or on the ground. If referring to directed distribution, that was mostly based on camp merit with respect to past MOOP records (mostly), past playa interactivity, volunteering, involvement, etc.. How such camps distributed tickets was another matter, but the purpose was to fill in the ranks of those specific camps who showed past community benefit. Other people receiving tickets have volunteered many times in the past, or are involved with projects. What was that about "meritocracies" again?

- Author does not understand concepts of value beyond material value, and therefore assumes that gifting is merely about material exchange. LIFE FAIL.


This is more evidence that whole ticket sell-out thing did us another favor.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Savannah » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:15 pm

For an event allegedly suffering from cronyism, there sure are a @#$%-ton of virgins. (Burning Blog estimates 40%).
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Lonesomebri » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:16 pm

Gifting as material exchange-
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:17 pm

Both of you are doing it wrong! Especially that cute little satanic sock...No, actually, the satanic sock is so darned cute, that anything it does is automatically right...
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby BBadger » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:19 pm

Savannah wrote:For an event allegedly suffering from cronyism, there sure are a @#$%-ton of virgins. (Burning Blog estimates 40%).


They're just the entourage of the kakistocracy that lords over Burning Man.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Savannah » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:30 pm

BBadger wrote:
Savannah wrote:For an event allegedly suffering from cronyism, there sure are a @#$%-ton of virgins. (Burning Blog estimates 40%).


They're just the entourage of the kakistocracy that lords over Burning Man.


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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby ygmir » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:34 pm

Savannah wrote:
BBadger wrote:
Savannah wrote:For an event allegedly suffering from cronyism, there sure are a @#$%-ton of virgins. (Burning Blog estimates 40%).


They're just the entourage of the kakistocracy that lords over Burning Man.


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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Savannah » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:42 pm

Your non-virginal status is a well-known and oft-lamented fact of playa lore.

(That said, you can pick up your minion badge & orientation materials after 16:00 on 2012-08-24).
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Lonesomebri » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:46 pm

I really would make a great running dog lackey, comrades. My loyalty can be bought with a snowcone.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:48 pm

GenghisComm wrote:Cronyism is partiality to long-standing friends and is contrary in practice and principle to meritocracy. The current Burning Man culture is a prime example; if you have insider connections and know the “right” people, then you’ve already cronied a ticket. In today’s Burning Man, you can enjoy “Radical Inclusion” (the first principle of BM) only if you’re popular or very very lucky. Another principle of Burning Man is gifting, whereby the value of the gift is unconditional and there is no expectation of an exchange for something of equal value. While this may appear to be an admirable principle, it is the root of corruption.

The core principle of Capitalism, on the other hand, is represented by a transaction in which both parties benefit. The exchange is not for something of equal value, but for something of greater value, i.e., each party receives something of greater value for themselves in exchange for giving something of lesser value.

So why is the Burning Man community so vehemently against commodification, and, specifically, scalping? Because today’s Burning Man community has degenerated into an elitist social clique, an exclusive country club for self-righteous popular brats who resent the idea that unpopular kids with enough money might buy their way into their privileged social circle. Ewww! Gag me with a spoon!!!

The fact that the Burning Man community resents scalping shows it’s hypocrisy with regard to its first principle, radical inclusion. The success of the Burning Man event has made it a commodity. Therefore, people who lack the social capital to crony a ticket (but have sufficient financial capital) should not be discouraged from experiencing the event.

Unfortunately, success has ruined the magic of the Burning Man event while its organizers laugh all the way to the bank. Like the dirty Wall Street bankers, has the Burning Man community become elitist insiders who subvert Capitalism for their own benefit?



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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:21 pm

GenghisComm wrote:The fact that the Burning Man community resents scalping shows it’s hypocrisy with regard to its first principle, radical inclusion. The success of the Burning Man event has made it a commodity. Therefore, people who lack the social capital to crony a ticket (but have sufficient financial capital) should not be discouraged from experiencing the event.

Wait a minute... Where's the "radical inclusion" if only the rich can go. They have their own event, anyway. Bohemian Grove.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Lonesomebri » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:29 pm

"subvert Capitalism for their own benefit"

Almost missed this line the first dozen times around, classic.........
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby gyre » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:08 pm

Pure Capitalism = Somali Piracy
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby LegendZero » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:12 pm

Savannah wrote:
BBadger wrote:
Savannah wrote:For an event allegedly suffering from cronyism, there sure are a @#$%-ton of virgins. (Burning Blog estimates 40%).


They're just the entourage of the kakistocracy that lords over Burning Man.


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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby GenghisComm » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:50 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
GenghisComm wrote:The fact that the Burning Man community resents scalping shows it’s hypocrisy with regard to its first principle, radical inclusion. The success of the Burning Man event has made it a commodity. Therefore, people who lack the social capital to crony a ticket (but have sufficient financial capital) should not be discouraged from experiencing the event.

Wait a minute... Where's the "radical inclusion" if only the rich can go. They have their own event, anyway. Bohemian Grove.


You can buy a ticket for less than $650. That's hardly rich. For those on limited budgets, it just means organizing your life and being a little more useful to others so you can earn some extra cash. Mow a few lawns, pick up a part-time job, or invest in an oil company that pays big dividends. Oooh. There's that evil Capitalism again.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby BBadger » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:22 am

Weren't you the one saying that after 10 years you've finally gotten your life's shit together with the means to attend? Well then go buy your $650 ticket and be done with it. After all it's such a paltry premium in your eyes. Then you can witness first-hand all the rampant "cronyism" that you claim exists, despite having no proof or experience in the matter. Or don't. I don't think we'd miss you. Make 10 years into forever.

Anyway, we're intimately aware of how capitalism works. Tickets will sell at what the market will bear. The main goal of not buying from scalpers is to undermine the market for scalped tickets especially since it's in its infancy. This is no affront to capitalism; we're just leveraging our own resources to ensure our event continues to operate in the way we want it to. But of course you're too bitter to realize that, and think it's some vast elitist conspiracy.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Lonesomebri » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:41 am

GenghisComm wrote:You can buy a ticket for less than $650. That's hardly rich. For those on limited budgets, it just means organizing your life and being a little more useful to others so you can earn some extra cash. Mow a few lawns, pick up a part-time job, or invest in an oil company that pays big dividends. Oooh. There's that evil Capitalism again.


Poor people need to organize their lives better... and you don't even realize how elitist (uncaring, unrealistic, petty, derogatory, belittling, offensive) that suggestion is, do you? No one here is paying for your input, go make yourself useful to somebody.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Tanzremix » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:46 am

GenghisComm wrote:You can buy a ticket for less than $650. That's hardly rich. For those on limited budgets, it just means organizing your life and being a little more useful to others so you can earn some extra cash. Mow a few lawns, pick up a part-time job, or invest in an oil company that pays big dividends. Oooh. There's that evil Capitalism again.


The fuck are you talking about? Investing for dividends? What are you, some kind of retiree? Clearly you aren't an actual investment specialist, not with that kind of garbage coming out of your mouth.


BBadger wrote:Anyway, we're intimately aware of how capitalism works. Tickets will sell at what the market will bear. The main goal of not buying from scalpers is to undermine the market for scalped tickets especially since it's in its infancy. This is no affront to capitalism; we're just leveraging our own resources to ensure our event continues to operate in the way we want it to.



Agreed, capitalism works both ways; there is a producer and a consumer side.
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:58 am

GenghisComm wrote:You can buy a ticket for less than $650. That's hardly rich.


If you have a ticket to Burning Man, aren't you truly rich? And if you miss it, aren't you indeed poor? :)
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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby pink » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:26 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
GenghisComm wrote:You can buy a ticket for less than $650. That's hardly rich.


If you have a ticket to Burning Man, aren't you truly rich? And if you miss it, aren't you indeed poor? :)

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Re: Is Cronyism really better than Capitalism?

Postby moonrise » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:22 pm

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