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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby Ugly Dougly » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:59 pm

Politicians are not in the business of solutions. It's hard work getting elected, and getting re-elected. It's also hard work getting anything done, even with something that makes sense, and everyone agrees on. Me hatez politics.

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:56 pm

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby knowmad » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:30 am

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:38 am

Well, I would say this is going to leave a mark:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... 02812.html


One of President Barack Obama's former professors appears to have turned against him, according to a recent YouTube video.

"President Obama must be defeated in the coming election," Roberto Unger, a longtime professor at Harvard Law School who taught Obama, said in a video posted on May 22. "He has failed to advance the progressive cause in the United States."

Unger said that Obama must lose the election in order for "the voice of democratic prophecy to speak once again in American life."

He acknowledged that if a Republican wins the presidency, "there will be a cost ... in judicial and administrative appointments." But he said that "the risk of military adventurism" would be no worse under a Republican than under Obama, and that "the Democratic Party proposes no new direction."
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby jkisha » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:47 am

And you wonder why Democrats have a difficult time winning elections?

But, every party has its extreme members. I doubt it will have much effect on the outcome of the election.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby cowboyangel » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:16 pm

geekster wrote:Well, I would say this is going to leave a mark:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... 02812.html


One of President Barack Obama's former professors appears to have turned against him, according to a recent YouTube video.

"President Obama must be defeated in the coming election," Roberto Unger, a longtime professor at Harvard Law School who taught Obama, said in a video posted on May 22. "He has failed to advance the progressive cause in the United States."

Unger said that Obama must lose the election in order for "the voice of democratic prophecy to speak once again in American life."

He acknowledged that if a Republican wins the presidency, "there will be a cost ... in judicial and administrative appointments." But he said that "the risk of military adventurism" would be no worse under a Republican than under Obama, and that "the Democratic Party proposes no new direction."


Right..taking direction from Moroni and Mammon is far better.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:35 am

And the panic begins to set in as the Governor and both Senators from WV announce they are not going to attend the convention. Democrats are increasingly distancing themselves from Obama.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012 ... story.html

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:41 am

Obama's political strategy:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77486.html

Turns out to be exactly the opposite of what he said he would never do when he was running in 2008.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:00 am

And Obam's WV problem extends into PA:

http://www.politicspa.com/obamas-wv-pro ... -pa/36833/

In several counties more than 40% of Democrats voting on the Pennsylvania primary did not cast a vote for Obama. In some cases it was as high as nearly 45%.

Map of Obama undervotes in the PA primary:

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Note, this is the percentage of undervote by Democrats; democrats who cast ballots in the primary but did not cast a vote for Obama.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:08 am

In 8 years George Bush played 24 rounds of golf. Obama hit 100 rounds of golf in only 3.5 years.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby BBadger » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:25 am

Well I tell you, if I'm made president I'm going to have even fewer rounds of golf...




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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:33 am

Yeah, same here. But I am likely to engage in many more games of catch with a baseball and frisbee.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:44 am

geekster wrote:Well, I would say this is going to leave a mark:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/1 ... 02812.html


One of President Barack Obama's former professors appears to have turned against him, according to a recent YouTube video.

"President Obama must be defeated in the coming election," Roberto Unger, a longtime professor at Harvard Law School who taught Obama, said in a video posted on May 22. "He has failed to advance the progressive cause in the United States."

Unger said that Obama must lose the election in order for "the voice of democratic prophecy to speak once again in American life."

He acknowledged that if a Republican wins the presidency, "there will be a cost ... in judicial and administrative appointments." But he said that "the risk of military adventurism" would be no worse under a Republican than under Obama, and that "the Democratic Party proposes no new direction."


That guy needs to go to Afghanistan and supervise the draw-down. He'll see how simple and easy it is.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:52 pm

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby gyre » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:07 pm

I refer you to the Max Headroom abc science fiction series.

Not only does it hold up, but much of it has come true, and fox is one example.

Some amazing material there.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby Box Burner » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:28 pm

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:32 pm

gyre wrote:I refer you to the Max Headroom abc science fiction series.

Not only does it hold up, but much of it has come true, and fox is one example.

Some amazing material there.


Well, I don't know. I think this "progressive" crap is getting near the end of its run. People are getting tired of economic suicide in the name of some ideological fantasy. The notion of hating anyone else who has accomplished more and demanding stuff be taken from them in the name of some twisted form of "justice" is starting to wear thin. People are starting to want to be left alone and we have a government that increasingly treats its own citizens as adversaries or even prey.

California is going to be in for a rude shock when the rest of the country refuses to bail it out with federal money. The unbelievable fiscal idiocy coming out of Sacramento is just dumbfounding. Nobody is responsible for you but you. You can't hang your neighbor on the hook to support you just because they have manged to earn more than you have. That is not only stealing, it is counter-productive. Once you harvest that cash, there won't be any more. It will be gone.

California is billions in the hole and it still talks about pissing away more on a high-speed rail boondoggle that could surely wait a few years. The answer is always "take more money from people" and then they learn that when they raise taxes, revenues fall as people and employers simply leave the state.

Socialism only works if you have a wall around it with the guns pointing inward to keep the people from leaving.

"Progressives" are basically intellectually lazy and looking for easy solutions to their utopian dream by stealing from people in the name of "justice". The people of this country and around the world are increasingly getting sick of it.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby ygmir » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:15 pm

geekster wrote:
gyre wrote:I refer you to the Max Headroom abc science fiction series.

Not only does it hold up, but much of it has come true, and fox is one example.

Some amazing material there.


Well, I don't know. I think this "progressive" crap is getting near the end of its run. People are getting tired of economic suicide in the name of some ideological fantasy. The notion of hating anyone else who has accomplished more and demanding stuff be taken from them in the name of some twisted form of "justice" is starting to wear thin. People are starting to want to be left alone and we have a government that increasingly treats its own citizens as adversaries or even prey.

California is going to be in for a rude shock when the rest of the country refuses to bail it out with federal money. The unbelievable fiscal idiocy coming out of Sacramento is just dumbfounding. Nobody is responsible for you but you. You can't hang your neighbor on the hook to support you just because they have manged to earn more than you have. That is not only stealing, it is counter-productive. Once you harvest that cash, there won't be any more. It will be gone.

California is billions in the hole and it still talks about pissing away more on a high-speed rail boondoggle that could surely wait a few years. The answer is always "take more money from people" and then they learn that when they raise taxes, revenues fall as people and employers simply leave the state.

Socialism only works if you have a wall around it with the guns pointing inward to keep the people from leaving.

"Progressives" are basically intellectually lazy and looking for easy solutions to their utopian dream by stealing from people in the name of "justice". The people of this country and around the world are increasingly getting sick of it.



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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby gyre » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:40 am

I have no idea what Max Headroom has to do with progressives.

I'm not even sure I know what they are.


Is it like 'liberal', where there is the actual definition and the spurious definition used by the radical right?

It all sounds rather vague, so how can anyone agree with it?
Kind of covers all bases.

I don't see any real financial responsibility anywhere, with the finance industry stripping most of the population of their money, and no effective reform in sight.

Bankers call that self reliance.

On a related note, 100% rental property is now being predicted in some areas.

There is still no mechanism to prevent the total collapse that was possible with the past minor crisis.

For those unfamiliar with the analysis, solid well managed institutions can be brought down by enough instability.
That could mean everything.

A few would make a lot of money.

Some countries have even survived these events without loss of democracy.
Probably.

I don't know if this relates to progressives.

I can agree about california management.
However, I can't think of many cities that don't appear to be run by the three stooges.

I found the recent "move to california if you're a criminal and an illegal resident of the usa" law interesting.
I'm sure that will work out well.

Off topic (whatever the fuck the topic is) re the far away mexian wars?
During a recent gang trial here, alliances with mexican cartels and local black gangs were exposed.
This included assassins imported from mexico to torture and kill here, and then return.
Mexican wars here don't seem like a remote future possibility any longer.
It might be better not to wait until there are bodies and narcomantas on our overpasses.

I still recommend the Max Headroom series.
The last part of the series isn't out of date at all.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby Ducky » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:48 pm

geekster wrote:
gyre wrote:I refer you to the Max Headroom abc science fiction series.

Not only does it hold up, but much of it has come true, and fox is one example.

Some amazing material there.


Well, I don't know. I think this "progressive" crap is getting near the end of its run. People are getting tired of economic suicide in the name of some ideological fantasy. The notion of hating anyone else who has accomplished more and demanding stuff be taken from them in the name of some twisted form of "justice" is starting to wear thin. People are starting to want to be left alone and we have a government that increasingly treats its own citizens as adversaries or even prey.

California is going to be in for a rude shock when the rest of the country refuses to bail it out with federal money. The unbelievable fiscal idiocy coming out of Sacramento is just dumbfounding. Nobody is responsible for you but you. You can't hang your neighbor on the hook to support you just because they have manged to earn more than you have. That is not only stealing, it is counter-productive. Once you harvest that cash, there won't be any more. It will be gone.

California is billions in the hole and it still talks about pissing away more on a high-speed rail boondoggle that could surely wait a few years. The answer is always "take more money from people" and then they learn that when they raise taxes, revenues fall as people and employers simply leave the state.

Socialism only works if you have a wall around it with the guns pointing inward to keep the people from leaving.

"Progressives" are basically intellectually lazy and looking for easy solutions to their utopian dream by stealing from people in the name of "justice". The people of this country and around the world are increasingly getting sick of it.



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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby Ugly Dougly » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:25 pm

How has this "us vs them" ever solved any problems?
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby catinthefunnyhat » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:34 am

I've stayed away from this thread, because... yeah. It gives me funny feelings, and not in a good way. I talk enough about politics in real life, and it's not really helpful there, either.

But this story reached around and touched the cockles of my heart.

No, seriously: Obnoxious jokes aside, this is something I really feel passionate about. I didn't know this protest was coming, but I kind of wish I were there now. The Canadian government, whatever you might think of their ideology and their other policies, really does seem to have it in for evidence-based decision making. A lot of their deepest cuts have been to research programs -- Statistics Canada, Fisheries and Oceans, Ministry of the Environment, and others have all been slashed. Meanwhile, academic granting programs such as SSHRC (Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council) and NSERC (Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council) have seen their mandates "updated" to prioritize funding of research that is business-related.

So a coalition of activists led by scientists (the latter being not exactly the "usual suspects" when it comes to organizing protests) are on Parliament Hill demonstrating with a "funeral for Evidence."

I will be watching this story closely. As much as I bitch about academia, I think curiosity-based research is extremely important, and evidence-based decision-making is even more so. I'm horrified by what our government has been doing in these areas.
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby geekster » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:16 am

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:57 am

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby Box Burner » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:16 am

catinthefunnyhat wrote:I've stayed away from this thread, because... yeah. It gives me funny feelings, and not in a good way. I talk enough about politics in real life, and it's not really helpful there, either.

But this story reached around and touched the cockles of my heart.

No, seriously: Obnoxious jokes aside, this is something I really feel passionate about. I didn't know this protest was coming, but I kind of wish I were there now. The Canadian government, whatever you might think of their ideology and their other policies, really does seem to have it in for evidence-based decision making. A lot of their deepest cuts have been to research programs -- Statistics Canada, Fisheries and Oceans, Ministry of the Environment, and others have all been slashed. Meanwhile, academic granting programs such as SSHRC (Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council) and NSERC (Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council) have seen their mandates "updated" to prioritize funding of research that is business-related.

So a coalition of activists led by scientists (the latter being not exactly the "usual suspects" when it comes to organizing protests) are on Parliament Hill demonstrating with a "funeral for Evidence."

I will be watching this story closely. As much as I bitch about academia, I think curiosity-based research is extremely important, and evidence-based decision-making is even more so. I'm horrified by what our government has been doing in these areas.



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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:34 pm

Box Burner wrote:While Reagan was calling the Soviets the "Evil Empire", however true that might have been, The Soviets were pointing their fingers at the Capitalists with the Americans at their head. Seems that they were right. This is why Occupation Wallstreet is so important. For now we see the true enemy. The 1%. Big business. Corporations. The suits. Emphasis in schools has indeed shifted to business.

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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby jkisha » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:55 pm

Eisenhower was one of the first to warn of this. What makes you think people will take much more heed today?
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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night..

Postby ygmir » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:11 pm

as always, a "pure" system does not work.........I'd rather have capitalism, with it's faults, than communism.........but maybe that's because I just lower my head and charge at problems. either breaking them, or me, but it's done.

communism is not workable, that has been clearly shown, (well, ok , socialism, since even the USSR and or Cuba have not gotten to "real" communism). But, capitalism is falling on it's face, too......interestingly, for the same reasons.......humans.......Greed,corruption,cronyism, and sloth, have brought or are bringing, both systems to their knees. It's gotta be a finely tune mix, and even depends on the society/country you are dealing with.

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Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:17 pm

A-yep. It's got to start with agreement; finger-pointing and acrimony got us to the current fucked-up state and they aren't getting us out.
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