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Re: WTF

Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed May 16, 2012 2:39 pm

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Re: WTF

Postby knowmad » Wed May 16, 2012 2:45 pm

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Re: WTF

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed May 16, 2012 2:54 pm

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Ah, American Eugenicists. We might still think it was okay, if there hadn't been that glaring correction in the 40s...
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Re: WTF

Postby BBadger » Wed May 16, 2012 3:27 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Ah, American Eugenicists. We might still think it was okay, if there hadn't been that glaring correction in the 40s...


Nah, most of us still do believe in the "good" of eugenics, but of course we don't want to admit it, or label it as such. At the social level, while we're not about to authorize sterilization or gassing people, we still laugh with and celebrate sites like the Darwin Awards and talk about ridding the gene pool of stupid people ("well, hopefully he didn't manage to have any kids!"). At the procreation level, soon we'll have genetic analysis of fetuses in the womb to determine if certain inheritable traits can be... avoided. Maybe we'll even have selective genes selection and pruning at conception, a step up from surrogate mother and sperm donor choice.

Sure it's not early 20th century eugenics, and who can really blame those 20th-century eugenicists? They only had sterilization and executions at their disposal. These days but now we're more enlightened right? We know what is really inheritable, now that we have the science of genetics, and we'll achieve those aims without messy issues such as human rights getting in the way.

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Re: WTF

Postby gyre » Wed May 16, 2012 4:36 pm

It shouldn't be forgotten where germany went to copy the legal devices for eugenics.

Now we have debtor's prisons again. (look it up)
Eugenics started with the wealthy and the philosophy that merit and wealth are related, especially in god's eyes.
Perhaps a legal system dependent on money is a partial substitute?
Now education and jobs depend more on wealth too.
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Re: WTF

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed May 16, 2012 5:24 pm

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Re: WTF

Postby Drawingablank » Wed May 16, 2012 7:05 pm

Anyone who thinks it isn't important should take a good long watch of Idiocracy - the most frightening comedy ever produced.
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Re: WTF

Postby gyre » Wed May 16, 2012 7:38 pm

Anyone interested should understand the implications of denovo mutations.
And stress induced mutations which can change the gene pool.

"Exclusive" groups should remember the lesson of the plague years.
Many countries face a similar situation now.

The theory that the groups we select can be as powerful as family has many ramifications.
It serves to explain "benevolence" and "generosity", and the ancient economy of universal reciprocity.
And it may explain why humanity has survived at all.

It is noteworthy if protecting the weak is why the strong have survived, especially against physically stronger competition.
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Re: WTF

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed May 16, 2012 9:19 pm

BBadger wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Ah, American Eugenicists. We might still think it was okay, if there hadn't been that glaring correction in the 40s...


Nah, most of us still do believe in the "good" of eugenics, but of course we don't want to admit it, or label it as such. At the social level, while we're not about to authorize sterilization or gassing people, we still laugh with and celebrate sites like the Darwin Awards and talk about ridding the gene pool of stupid people ("well, hopefully he didn't manage to have any kids!"). At the procreation level, soon we'll have genetic analysis of fetuses in the womb to determine if certain inheritable traits can be... avoided. Maybe we'll even have selective genes selection and pruning at conception, a step up from surrogate mother and sperm donor choice.

Sure it's not early 20th century eugenics, and who can really blame those 20th-century eugenicists? They only had sterilization and executions at their disposal. These days but now we're more enlightened right? We know what is really inheritable, now that we have the science of genetics, and we'll achieve those aims without messy issues such as human rights getting in the way.

WTF!?

Not quite sure how seriously to take this post...
Whatever the tools we have at our disposal, we don't know what actually has the survival value. It's quite likely that the selection pressures over the past millennium in Europe has been more about surviving communicable diseases than intelligence, for instance. Once I let that sink it, eugenics became somewhat moot for me. Or very moot. Or from a different viewpoint, I could think of multiple reasons to sterilize myself, and others to continue my family's presence in the gene pool. I'm just as glad that I was never given the power, because it seems like a sure-fire way of committing a horrible sin without any actual possibility of getting what it is what I want.

But yes, I hate stupid people all the time. I just try not to take myself seriously when I do that.
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Re: WTF

Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu May 17, 2012 6:27 am

sorry, i'm with Mengele on this one.


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Re: WTF

Postby BBadger » Sat May 19, 2012 1:59 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Not quite sure how seriously to take this post...
Whatever the tools we have at our disposal, we don't know what actually has the survival value. It's quite likely that the selection pressures over the past millennium in Europe has been more about surviving communicable diseases than intelligence, for instance. Once I let that sink it, eugenics became somewhat moot for me. Or very moot. Or from a different viewpoint, I could think of multiple reasons to sterilize myself, and others to continue my family's presence in the gene pool. I'm just as glad that I was never given the power, because it seems like a sure-fire way of committing a horrible sin without any actual possibility of getting what it is what I want.

But yes, I hate stupid people all the time. I just try not to take myself seriously when I do that.


Yes, it's ambiguously serious to draw up those thoughts like you presented above. We'll tell ourselves we're horrified by eugenics-type thinking, but at the same time would approve it in "benign" circumstances. It's one thing to say you're happy someone "didn't breed", entirely another to say the person ought to be gassed. I think most people approve of eugenics in some form however, even if they're not aware of it.
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Re: WTF

Postby catinthefunnyhat » Sun May 20, 2012 1:15 am

A problem with eugenics, or eugenic-type thinking, is the belief that "survival of the fittest" is about individuals. It's not. It's about populations. It's about whether Population A is better or worse suited to its environment than neighbouring Population B, with whom it competes for resources.

So many things go into making a population better- or worse-suited to its environment. At a given point, it might be about the intelligence of its cleverest members, whether the ratio of male to female offspring is 10:1 or 10.5:1, or whether grandparents survive to help with the raising of those offspring. It might be about ability to digest a plant which has become a noxious weed in the ecosystem or having the technology to eradicate said weed to grow other food. Eugenics is based on allowing the strongest individuals to survive but says nothing about their ability to strengthen a community. And what makes them worthy of the title "strongest" is, of course, entirely subjective. And true fitness, in the evolutionary sense, is entirely dependent on environment.
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Re: WTF

Postby jkisha » Sun May 20, 2012 10:11 am

BBadger wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Ah, American Eugenicists. We might still think it was okay, if there hadn't been that glaring correction in the 40s...


Nah, most of us still do believe in the "good" of eugenics, but of course we don't want to admit it, or label it as such. At the social level, while we're not about to authorize sterilization or gassing people, we still laugh with and celebrate sites like the Darwin Awards and talk about ridding the gene pool of stupid people ("well, hopefully he didn't manage to have any kids!"). At the procreation level, soon we'll have genetic analysis of fetuses in the womb to determine if certain inheritable traits can be... avoided. Maybe we'll even have selective genes selection and pruning at conception, a step up from surrogate mother and sperm donor choice.

Sure it's not early 20th century eugenics, and who can really blame those 20th-century eugenicists? They only had sterilization and executions at their disposal. These days but now we're more enlightened right? We know what is really inheritable, now that we have the science of genetics, and we'll achieve those aims without messy issues such as human rights getting in the way.

WTF!?

My biggest problem with this are the unanticipated consequences.
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Re: WTF

Postby MyDearFriend » Mon May 21, 2012 8:15 am

jkisha wrote:
BBadger wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Ah, American Eugenicists. We might still think it was okay, if there hadn't been that glaring correction in the 40s...


Nah, most of us still do believe in the "good" of eugenics, but of course we don't want to admit it, or label it as such. At the social level, while we're not about to authorize sterilization or gassing people, we still laugh with and celebrate sites like the Darwin Awards and talk about ridding the gene pool of stupid people ("well, hopefully he didn't manage to have any kids!"). At the procreation level, soon we'll have genetic analysis of fetuses in the womb to determine if certain inheritable traits can be... avoided. Maybe we'll even have selective genes selection and pruning at conception, a step up from surrogate mother and sperm donor choice.

Sure it's not early 20th century eugenics, and who can really blame those 20th-century eugenicists? They only had sterilization and executions at their disposal. These days but now we're more enlightened right? We know what is really inheritable, now that we have the science of genetics, and we'll achieve those aims without messy issues such as human rights getting in the way.

WTF!?

My biggest problem with this are the unanticipated consequences.


Bwahahahahahaha, yeah, but fortunately from an evolutionary perspective all these things are pretty meaningless. The invisible hand of Darwin will not be influenced by human efforts, and as individuals the best we can do is roll our dice with care and attention.
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Re: WTF

Postby FIGJAM » Mon May 21, 2012 9:28 am

But life=unanticipated consequences!!! 8)
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Re: WTF

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon May 21, 2012 9:43 am

MyDearFriend wrote:Bwahahahahahaha, yeah, but fortunately from an evolutionary perspective all these things are pretty meaningless. The invisible hand of Darwin will not be influenced by human efforts, and as individuals the best we can do is roll our dice with care and attention.

Thanks for putting this so much more succintly than I could.
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Re: WTF

Postby Gonzo Frothwood » Tue May 22, 2012 5:53 pm

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Re: WTF

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue May 22, 2012 8:32 pm

I think we have a triple winner here: Most embarrassed horses; worst lip-syncing; and largest group of women wearing underwear that looks like merkins.

Courtesy of pizzamancer.

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Re: WTF

Postby maryanimal » Tue May 22, 2012 9:14 pm

Great choreograpy too.
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Re: WTF

Postby illy dilly » Wed May 23, 2012 10:19 am

:shock:
You can tell they spent a lot of time practicing!
I kinda wish I knew what the hell they were singing about.
Especially at about the 53 second mark, when some glowing orb shoots out of the blond ones 'merkin'
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Re: WTF

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed May 23, 2012 10:58 am

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Re: WTF

Postby catinthefunnyhat » Wed May 23, 2012 11:07 am

I like how no shot is more than 2 seconds long. They never actually had to string two "steps" together (and I use the term "step" very loosely here). Even so, they're out of sync 80% of the time -- quite an accomplishment, really!

But the embarrassed horses take the cake. I was sceptical about that part of Fishy's description, but seeing is believing. Poor things! At 3:00, one of them actually turns his head away.
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Re: WTF

Postby illy dilly » Wed May 23, 2012 11:19 am

LOL!
O MAN, now watch it again with out sound! Or even better, with completely different music playing.
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I just watched it with "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" playing on the radio
Especially shortly after the 3min mark where two of the girls just stop dancing and start talking to each other, then randomly one girl thrusts her hips (about 3:45).
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Re: WTF

Postby mgb327 » Wed May 23, 2012 11:21 am

Good Gawd, that was terrible. I think they were singing about food....some vague reference to a "burrito" inside a "quesadilla". The shooting star from her vajayjay was a veiled attempt at describing that she has a microwave there. Hay carrumba!
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Re: WTF

Postby illy dilly » Wed May 23, 2012 11:31 am

You mean she cooks food in her cooch?

I need one of those for my camping gear! Our camp could really use a Cooch Cooker.
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Re: WTF

Postby lucky420 » Wed May 23, 2012 3:09 pm

I think the video was made by a drug lord...
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Re: WTF

Postby mgb327 » Wed May 23, 2012 4:58 pm

Stinko asks, "were any animals harmed making this crappy vid?"
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Re: WTF

Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed May 23, 2012 5:01 pm

I need to take a long, hard look at this video tonight.
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Re: WTF

Postby littleflower » Wed May 23, 2012 5:12 pm

where can i get some of those boots?
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Re: WTF

Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed May 23, 2012 5:28 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I think we have a triple winner here: Most embarrassed horses; worst lip-syncing; and largest group of women wearing underwear that looks like merkins.

Courtesy of pizzamancer.




does ANYONE have their contact information?

seriously.

i could make it happen....
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