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Postby JayBobBoy » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:01 pm

Here's an online ad from an unlucky lottery entrant. Let's hope the buyer is someone who might actually contribute. This is painful to read.....

"I wasn't lucky in the lottery so looking for someone to take my RV reservation (it's actually a trailer).

It's a full service rental: with one king bed. You have to camp in their camp.

Amazing rental includes:
-delivery of unit to the Playa
-return of unit from the Playa
-complimentary use of: Bedding, Cooking Utensils, Dinnerware, Flatware & Four Bicycles
-daily ice service
-free on-site power
-fresh water furnished daily
-free empty of holding tanks
-RV technician on-site 24/7

Plus, standard cleaning is included! Good deal.

$5500 for the entire event + $1000 deposit

Please contact me for details! Thanks for looking.


This guy bought this package before he had his ticket??? Ouch! :P

Fucking Shit! Without ticket costs included, If I had a budget of $5,500 for me and my buddies to blow on our set up at BM, I would have a great camp for us and be able to sponsor something truly interactive! (not to mention all the blow and hookers we could handle)
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Postby BBadger » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:07 pm

Whenever I see the price people are paying for these rent-a-camping-vacations it just makes me think of how much I could do with that money for a playa project instead. Oh well, at least I can feel good that such money has been liberated from those people.
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Postby jkisha » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:43 pm

I surprised it didn't come with a ticket.
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Postby pink » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:14 pm

Nope, I went on that pay to play website when the existence of PnP came to light and it did specify you needed to find your own ticket. I'll postulate that in the past, the promoter probably did provide tickets.

However, you'd think that if you were going to spend $5500 to get a lux Burning Man Vacation Experience, you'd pony up for a presale ticket. Dumb fuck, I hope he loses his deposit.
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Postby vargaso » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:28 pm

I don't have a problem personally with people who do this, but it does seem to violate the no commerce clause of Burning Man. I've seen Marian say they are taking a closer look at the Plug and Play phenomenon and I'm guessing in the years to come, the BMORG may crack down on it. It's really no different than a vendor selling t-shirts, and that is prohibited, so, yeah.
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Postby trilobyte » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:04 am

Those kind of package operators are affected by the stuff announced in yesterday's blog post. Specifically,

- Adventure outfits will no longer be allowed at Burning Man (fyi, report them to outsideservices@burningman.com).
- Those companies that are allowed at Burning Man will be on the hook for 3% of their revenues to BLM.
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Postby jkisha » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:36 am

I would assume Green Tortoise would be a good commercial venture?
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Postby Ruleryak » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:16 pm

I understand collecting dues for a theme camp where a few folks are personally funding things until the event or for groups that can't do a fundraiser for any of a number of reasons. A camp with dues or fees is still (in most cases) going to expect its members to bring their own living setup and (in most cases) bring their own food, water, shower, etc. Shared shade space, community gear, and whatnot makes sense as a group collaboration though of course.

That being said I don't understand how these pay to play camps are getting away with what they're doing. Essentially they're creating a paid-stay resort within Black Rock City which could only possibly cater to the chiefest and most ultimate of spectators. The people willing to shell out $5000+ for accommodations at Burning Man are not going to be the people bringing something of value, they're going to be the people that see it as an oddity that must be experienced at some point in their lives. Going to BRC and not lifting a finger just doesn't mesh in my head. For me, and for tens of thousands of burners out there over the years, going home means intentionally going through a very difficult, exhausting and rewarding undertaking. I know there are folks out there that just see it as a huge party where they don't have to work to enjoy it and personally I'd like to see fewer of those people attending down the road. Proving that a camp is selling pay to play style services should be added as a reason the BLM will pull your ticket in future years in my oh so important opinion :mrgreen:

Scalpers for the most part are nameless, faceless entities that are done with Burning Man for the year the moment they part with the last ticket. These resort creators are a far worse animal. They make their money on the ideas and work of others and then have the audacity to live among us during the event.
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Postby Ruleryak » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:19 pm

trilobyte wrote:Those kind of package operators are affected by the stuff announced in yesterday's blog post. Specifically,

- Adventure outfits will no longer be allowed at Burning Man (fyi, report them to outsideservices@burningman.com).
- Those companies that are allowed at Burning Man will be on the hook for 3% of their revenues to BLM.


I started my previous post earlier this morning before Trilo posted the above. Looks like the LLC is more than on top of this - having had the same idea many of us were suggesting. As with scalping it'll fall on we the community to spot and report these folks wherever possible. Good to know, thanks for the link Trilo!
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Postby moonrise » Wed May 16, 2012 11:12 am

Ruleryak wrote:I understand collecting dues for a theme camp where a few folks are personally funding things until the event or for groups that can't do a fundraiser for any of a number of reasons. A camp with dues or fees is still (in most cases) going to expect its members to bring their own living setup and (in most cases) bring their own food, water, shower, etc. Shared shade space, community gear, and whatnot makes sense as a group collaboration though of course.

That being said I don't understand how these pay to play camps are getting away with what they're doing. Essentially they're creating a paid-stay resort within Black Rock City which could only possibly cater to the chiefest and most ultimate of spectators. The people willing to shell out $5000+ for accommodations at Burning Man are not going to be the people bringing something of value, they're going to be the people that see it as an oddity that must be experienced at some point in their lives. Going to BRC and not lifting a finger just doesn't mesh in my head. For me, and for tens of thousands of burners out there over the years, going home means intentionally going through a very difficult, exhausting and rewarding undertaking. I know there are folks out there that just see it as a huge party where they don't have to work to enjoy it and personally I'd like to see fewer of those people attending down the road. Proving that a camp is selling pay to play style services should be added as a reason the BLM will pull your ticket in future years in my oh so important opinion :mrgreen:

Scalpers for the most part are nameless, faceless entities that are done with Burning Man for the year the moment they part with the last ticket. These resort creators are a far worse animal. They make their money on the ideas and work of others and then have the audacity to live among us during the event.


Well said Ruleyak and Trilobytes post above is helpful too. I should mention the 3% fee should be more like 100%!! or triple or more...
I recently had a conversation with a plug and play (braggart) type of "has been" burner, wow did he spill his guts, he told me he makes $10,000.00 for planning a 48 RV plug and play camp (his boss makes more) plus another $5,000.00 to $10,000.00 MORE on top of his $10,000.00, all for slapping together all the "workers" for this massive plug and play camp (he doesn't lift a finger, the workers do it all, been this way for 5+ years now). I didn't tell him I was a burner (until the end of his brag-fest) so he gushed on and on...thier mutant vehicles are 100% private or extremely selective if they give you a ride, camp(s) 100% private and guarded and never interact or contribute much except maybe throw money at this or that. He wouldn' tell me the name of the camp(s) only that they were extremely wealthy (most from NY) fly in to Reno, then fly to BRC in a jet/small plane and waltz on in to the burn...la tee dah. Apparently money is no object and they plan to do whatever it takes to keep on doing whatever it is they damned well please. Maybe they'll hire entertainers someday? The P&P set up guy I spoke with gave me a wry, snide, shit eating grin when I told him what I knew and thought about P&P camps, he said he nor his clients give a shit and burning man is being overrun by the extremely wealthy, so what deal with it bla bla bla...my clients are so rich nothing will stop them. He wasn't joking, I could sense this! I'd hate to run into him or his clients out there, they are wolves in sheeps clothing.

I didn't enjoy posting the above information, but is has to be said, and put down on record for the history books. Plug and Play here to stay, I say make them pay 100 fold and see if they can swallow that, or 1000 or 10,000 fold...how much money do these super rich "entitlements" have? I have nothing against being succesful but they're taking our event, the whole thing!! So can we take your thing, your money, all of it? Seems a fair trade...all for all.


I am fortunate I connected with the burn when I did. Now it seems scaricty of tickets/desert road, competing with big big money plug & play campers, well where do the real burners fit once the super rich buy it all out? Maybe they'll hire us? LMFAO! I didn't post this to start going round and round endlessly, just wanted to validate it and say Wow! The P&P'rs have NO PLANS to slow down. Plenty or burners/locals/people in general earn some money from the burn during THE OTHER 51 weeks, this is known by most. Now with scarcity of tickets, we seem to be facing a big negative shift, unless something is done about this buy out and hopefully the ticket scaricty situation. What could the burn evolve into next? Hmmm....
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Postby knowmad » Wed May 16, 2012 11:32 am

moonrise wrote:...
well where do the real burners fit once the super rich buy it all out?

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Postby catinthefunnyhat » Wed May 16, 2012 1:37 pm

I imagine (hope) that if they're not active participants, these drop-in types will eventually get bored and go home -- collectively and permanently -- i.e. that the event will become "passe" as a bucket-list item for the wealthy.

If you're hanging out in a gated community, riding around in private limos, neither building nor contributing to the culture of BRC, and unwilling to rub elbows with the crowd (heaven forbid you become friends with someone totally unlike yourself!), you're missing out on most of what makes Burning Man so special.

Sure, there will always be demand for plug-n-play experiences, but I think that while it might grow for a couple of years, in time it will level off and probably even die back a bit. I really don't think the wealthy will ever "take over" Burning Man; they've got other, less challenging toys to play with.

Oh... and some (probably a very small number)of them might actually ditch their gated communities and exclusive rides and become "real" burners, if we let them.
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Postby Cheyenne » Wed May 16, 2012 2:04 pm

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Postby Rice » Wed May 16, 2012 2:10 pm

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Wrecking other people's stuff is not cool.

People who break or destroy other people's property are just assholes...
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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed May 16, 2012 2:47 pm

This applies even to the rich who can afford to absorb the loss. It's not going to make it any easier for them to see us as real and worthy people. And they have the resources to make a lot of trouble for us if they chose.

I took it as a bitter joke, myself.
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Postby gyre » Wed May 16, 2012 6:05 pm

I don't buy that ad.

They can afford $6000, but can't buy a ticket?
Seriously, you believe that?
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Postby forrest Gump » Wed May 16, 2012 8:22 pm

we should "occupy" the plug and play camps :twisted:
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Postby 5280MeV » Wed May 16, 2012 8:44 pm

moonrise wrote:What could the burn evolve into next? Hmmm....


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Postby moonrise » Wed May 16, 2012 9:17 pm

I've been in the Tahoe Reno region for over 30 years...I know all sorts of people/burners. What got me the most was the smug attitude of the guy bragging about how much he rakes in for doing this camp. It's as if he was slowly bought out. His story jibes because he told me he has been going for over 10 years, then 5 years ago he slowly started accepting pay for doing this camp's odd job type work. Now he is fulltime and it is all for money. It happens, but wow this one was grinning like a greedy snide brat in my face about it. He's obviously a "sellout"...blech. I need brain bleach...cannot get this guy's smug grin outta my head!

I don't want to be a downer for everyone, the burn evolves right? Let's just hope it's not all about money, and all the problems that come with money. I know I'll still do my thing and I plan to set up my Volcano~ fire cocktail show, probably a bit bigger and better, and I know my freinds (the ones with tickets) will make a big splash too. I just wonder how many of my beloved artistic, geeky, gearhead etc etc etc freinds will get steam rollered by this shit? BTW, I know we're not outgrowing the event (I've asked many burners how they feel about things as of late) but is it out pricing us? I'm optomistic, so I hope I'm wrong, but who knows?

It's odd, for as long as any of us can remember we could always just buy a ticket, it was always, always just there for us, yes a challenge but not un-obtainable...now look? As if we don't have enough to do, now we have to worry about Billionaires (and even lowly millionaires) over buying in future years? I know BMOrg reads eplaya.... so heya LLC, maybe stash some tickets for the regular folks aye? Or find a solid fix and/or a better solution for the lottery....now that would be something to boast about! The tribes are feeling battered, shattered and a bit too scattered...just my hunch. My hunches are usualy 40% to 80% spot on.
I don't even have it in me to run through this plug n play camp thread with my pitchforks and torches, yet. :twisted: No worries ladies and gents, I haven't burned anyone who hasn't shown an interest to get a lil' fire on 'em, so far...;)

Cheers to all the walks of life and perhaps the extreme wealth can simply buy the proportionate amount of tickets required to keep some balance of all the walks of life in the population. I think they can afford it or should I say they cannot afford not to..we are all irreplaceable.
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Postby pink » Wed May 16, 2012 9:24 pm

Yup, pitchforks & torches. I'm all for it!
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Postby trilobyte » Wed May 16, 2012 9:31 pm

While the original poster's message had a ticket discussion component, things appear to have drifted towards general discussion of plug & play camping. We've already got a thread going on that subject over here - please feel free to continue the conversation over there.
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