Bob wrote:Amazing they could go on for ten minutes in that vid and not use the words "customer" or "client".
Bob wrote: But I'd suggest they put some effort into defining the difference between the org's own collection of infrastructure camps and these "plug and play" camps. If any. The org set the template for this c.2000.
Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.
ruviwije wrote:This is basically creating a motel system that is thumbing its nose at the principal of Decommodification.
Ninjaparamedic wrote: Just like love: either you get it, or you don’t. I don’t think you can teach self-reliance..
Ninjaparamedic wrote:Looking for input & advice
I'm leading a Plug & Play camp. It didn't occur to me that it had a name or that it might be frowned upon. I assumed that Burning Man let some people in ahead of others for the simple reason that some can give more than others. I am available to arrive early, I have some money I can spend on cheap easy food, I have space in my RV to bring in plywood, and I have the skill to build our simple structures. Our camp "The Exchange" is looking to become virgin-centric. Because I have 6 years of burning under my belt I am capable of giving more than the newbies. I don't want to charge camp fees because it just seems wrong to me, but others in my camp feel that I’m stretching myself too thin financially.
cosmicgiggle wrote:I don't see what is hard to understand about why the whole "plug and play" idea is bad for the event in numerous destructive ways...
1) it creates a new black market for profit in which the event and its free art and expression is "curated" by these types of camps who trick CUSTOMERS into believing that their bm experience will help guide the new wealthy elite who choose to attend. it seems woefully simple that on the playa you are just another citizen and any advantage you may have in the real world either due to money or fame or whatever should not matter an iota on the playa. effectively that means: everyone figures it out just like everyone else...the huge spiritual reward of the event comes only AFTER you put in hard work to bring the city to life. "gaming the bm system" so you can make a buck to stick in your pocket is killing our event and community. in my opinion anyone engaging in this should be banned from the event outright!
2) no matter what principle you stick behind it, making the burn "easier" to attend is directly proportional to how quickly you are destroying the core community. from a top down perspective, dpw and the artists who create the city get nothing for all their trouble...so why should these plug and play theme camps be allowed to profit off of the backs of these people?
3) the sustainability of the community is also directly linked into this nonsense, as sheeple always tend to follow rather than lead. If more and more people seek to either convert their current camp to plug and play or even if due to pure laziness they convince themselves that they need an RV for the event, think about how negatively it affects the event as a whole. it is an interesting enough fact, that more and more artists from bm are taking their art to huge commercial raves and festivals so maybe the entropy is working on both sides of the issue...but the point remains the same, commercialize the event and realize you are also killing it at the same time.
Nipple wrote:My interactions with their customers weren't the best. We kind of became the unofficial route to the JOTS since we faced A, and they were an Esplanade camp.
It's easier to ride your bike through our shade structure's guy lines, through our kitchen and around our gray water pond, than to go over to 8:00 and ride straight down.
We will have a theme camp and designated camping area while at the festival. Our location will be uploaded here when we are assigned to it.
* Give Something Back to the Community- We will host an event at our camp such as a happy hour that any package holder can serve or enjoy and get the experience of participating.
* Participate Safely- You get lights for night time fun, bikes to get the most out of the festival, shade to relax under and everything else you need to engage and enjoy.
* We take care of your Greywater- Not dumping anything on the playa is mandatory and hauling your smelly greywater out is a pain so know that we will take care of it for you.
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