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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby glitter-mouse » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:13 am

Our application for "Camp Naked Hispter" went out 3 weeks ago. No word back, but we should get pretty good placement because our camp doesn't require any work from anyone except from people outside the camp - totally sublime. Stop by for anything you need and we'll educate you on how to mooch it from your neighbors.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby trilobyte » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:22 am

As has been communicated to the camp leaders/coordinators of camps who've submitted questionnaires, the placement team has already gone through the painful process of electing those camps that will be given the opportunity to purchase more tickets. They expect to conclude the process of notifying those camps who will receive access to purchase the remaining $390 tickets by Tuesday March 13th.

Camps that get awarded ticket allocations also are effectively getting an early notification that their camp application has been accepted. Otherwise, theme camp applicants don't normally get confirmation that their camp has been accepted or where they will be placed until early July.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:34 am

trilobyte wrote:Tuesday March 13th

i.e. today
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby junglesmacks » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:37 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
trilobyte wrote:Tuesday March 13th

i.e. today



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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby trilobyte » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:46 am

(in best color commentator voice)

Yes, that's right. But what you want to remember is that the hard working members of the placement team are also volunteers who have day jobs, so it's possible that they may not yet get to finish talking to people until sometime tonight.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:56 am

(I'm so glad he didn't go with the Howard Cosell commentator voice.)
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby cycosis » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:57 am

Our camp put in our application weeks ago still have yet to hear anything.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby trilobyte » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:04 am

Once a camp's submitted a questionnaire, there's a confirmation email sent out immediately to the primary contact's email address, and then that address is added to the Placement Newsletter Announce list. There have been a couple emails sent out through that list since the beginning of February, and the most recent email went out to the list yesterday (from the email address placement-newsletter-announce(at)burningman(dot)com - your theme camp contact should double check his/her spam filter if they have not received it).
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Dr Helix » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:18 am

trilobyte wrote:Once a camp's submitted a questionnaire, there's a confirmation email sent out immediately to the primary contact's email address, and then that address is added to the Placement Newsletter Announce list. There have been a couple emails sent out through that list since the beginning of February, and the most recent email went out to the list yesterday (from the email address placement-newsletter-announce(at)burningman(dot)com - your theme camp contact should double check his/her spam filter if they have not received it).




Are MV's part of this same process and notification emails?
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby trilobyte » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:06 pm

I'm not sure what the timetable and process is for mutant vehicles, I haven't heard anything from anyone involved with the DMV. My understanding is that, like theme camp placement, they'll reach out directly to the primary contact via the information provided in the questionnaire (I've seen posts from MV crews on Facebook that indicate some vehicles have already been hearing back).
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Dr Helix » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:12 pm

byte wrote:I'm not sure what the timetable and process is for mutant vehicles, I haven't heard anything from anyone involved with the DMV. My understanding is that, like theme camp placement, they'll reach out directly to the primary contact via the information provided in the questionnaire (I've seen posts from MV crews on Facebook that indicate some vehicles have already been hearing back).




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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby cycosis » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:49 pm

trilobyte wrote:Once a camp's submitted a questionnaire, there's a confirmation email sent out immediately to the primary contact's email address, and then that address is added to the Placement Newsletter Announce list. There have been a couple emails sent out through that list since the beginning of February, and the most recent email went out to the list yesterday (from the email address placement-newsletter-announce(at)burningman(dot)com - your theme camp contact should double check his/her spam filter if they have not received it).



I meant to say in regards to our core members being allocated a few tickets. It looks as though our entire camp will not be making an appearance this year as not a single core member has a ticket. (Not trying to sound like the hundreds of whiners in the other threads)
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby jkisha » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:50 pm

mshaman wrote:Lustrous In-Dust-rious applied a little over 2 weeks ago, and haven't heard back yet. We were not among the pre-approved because it is technically a "new" camp (made up of fragments from former camps and folks who volunteered elsewhere) only two of our participants got tickets from the BMOrg as a result a of an ongoing BM book/photography project, and we don't expect more tickets from the BMOrg.

We have adjusted our strategy accordingly. We are ditching the most labor-intensive gifts/services, focusing only on the highest value projects, and recruiting only motivated burners with tickets. It's amazing how many seasoned, motivated, burners there are without camps. We've been scooping them up left and right to replenish our numbers, which after the most recent cataclysm, were down from nearly 40 to 6 (our FL group couldn't reach critical mass to get a bunch of art cars 2700 miles and finally punted). We're back up to 12 and hoping to reach 15 so that we can still handle the projects that we view as mission critical.


What is a theme camp if it isn't for its people. How some people and the BMORG can just say they can be replaced by other newbies who have tickets, just for the sake of whatever the camp is "doing" or "contributing" to the event like they are just hired help is really quite cynicle and pathetically sad. We have managed to get tickets yet are not very enthusiastic about going without fellow campmates that for us, are the burn.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Galaxo Magic » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:12 pm

trilobyte wrote:(in best color commentator voice)

Yes, that's right. But what you want to remember is that the hard working members of the placement team are also volunteers who have day jobs, so it's possible that they may not yet get to finish talking to people until sometime tonight.

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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Galaxo Magic » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:15 pm

MV Beau Le'Phant and Camp Upsie Dasium have heard back from DMV and Camp Placement.
We put our MV application in Feb 17th and out Camp application in March 3rd.

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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Galaxo Magic » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:27 pm

jkisha wrote:Though we have about forty people that camp with us, none are "casual" in that everybody has responsibilities. Hell, how much fun would the event be if the same people had to work the service shifts every single day?! In our camp, the core people do the basic set up of the camp, training, liaise with health dept., etc. everybody else does the daily job of setting up, serving, and cleaning up for each day's shift. Not to mention the extra financial burden when the costs for supplies are now shared by less than half the number of people.

It's like being between a rock and a hard place.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I understand the realities. Just stating the facts as they pertain to and effect our camp.

Our camp has always had a few 'casual' campers. The folks that come in Monday or Wednesday and are just there for the party. We've received them with open arms. They are friends, often newbies. This year looks to be very different. None of the 'casuals' scored. The hard working core members are now covered, but we will probably need to add a couple more hard workers. I know we can find a few as there are only 4 big groups of Burners in our little town and I know that two of them got skunked. Have not heard from the 4th group. We'll probably absorb a few of them into our camp.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby trilobyte » Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:55 pm

@jkisha - of course a theme camp is about the people. And not just occupants, but the specific people that make up the camp's DNA. Maybe your camp has had a static lineup every year, but for me the experience has been ever-changing. Not all my friends can go every year (and I've missed a few years as well), while others move on to other camps and projects. We form up and decide what we're going to do based upon the size and participation. Please don't take any of the comments I've posted to mean "suck it up and get back to work" or as a suggestion to just replace your friends and campmates. Take stock, decide who's going (either with a ticket or determined to get one), and then decide what it is that you collectively want to do and can get excited about.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby trilobyte » Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:01 pm

@cycosis - I'm sorry to hear it. If the camp won't be making it, hopefully any campmates that do manage to get tickets will have no trouble making camp arrangements (either joining others or going it alone).
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Risky » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:10 pm

Looks like Space Cowboys were awarded tickets.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:13 pm

Hard to say for sure. Could be someone pulling a prank. It's hard to think that there wont be questions from the llc to the camp. CL is awful public...
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby veleda » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:23 pm

Hey all

I just want to say that SSV applied 3/06 and heard back on 3/13. We were blessed with tickets but now comes the hard process of 'choosing' and knowing some camps weren't selected as well. Regardless I will have tons of friends not making it to the playa. Good Luck everyone and keep the faith.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby trilobyte » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:19 pm

@risky - that's absolutely a prank posted by some random asshat that doesn't like the Space Cowboys.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby A Jester » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:06 pm

trilobyte wrote:@risky - that's absolutely a prank posted by some random asshat that doesn't like the Space Cowboys.


Or a prank pulled by some asshat that loves the Space Cowboys.

Or by someone who doesn't have strong feelings about the SC.

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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby lemur » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:11 pm

bassnectar did it
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Galaxo Magic » Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:22 pm

I think it was the Space Indians trying to get the Space Cowboys in trouble!



Doesn't sound as good if you say Space Native Americans....
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby zorro sings » Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:50 pm

EspressoDude wrote:
zorro sings wrote:Just for general information as do not think anyone has mentioned it.Our camp was given the nod for The Sacred Ducats.But that is all we know.We have no clue on how many tickets we are entitled to buy.We are only required to list core members who we would like to receive an invitation to purchase at $390 level.For many camps this will create some drama as they compile a list of the most worthy not knowing where the cut off line is.



So, you have been asked for a list of names??

More information requested from you than just how many?...

Interesting...

must be a case of each placer having their own methodology

Maybe this is the event theme for 2012....."Ticket Drama"


Well it seems like they just wanted a number all along.I mean it started with a spreadsheet with names(real and Playa),email addresses and "if you won lottery tickets"question.Later it was dropped to just names.Just now I received an email with our allotment number and purchase codes.Names eventually were not needed as I have the ability to purchase all of them myself(one at a time with each ticket having service and delivery charges tacked on) and distribute to our members.All in all a pretty smooth way of doing it and appreciative to all concerned at Placement.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby mshaman » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:22 am

jkisha wrote:What is a theme camp if it isn't for its people. How some people and the BMORG can just say they can be replaced by other newbies who have tickets, just for the sake of whatever the camp is "doing" or "contributing" to the event like they are just hired help is really quite cynicle and pathetically sad. We have managed to get tickets yet are not very enthusiastic about going without fellow campmates that for us, are the burn.


1. So it sounds like you're unhappy with the BMOrg's ticket policy and how it creates the perception that theme camps are valued but people are not, and that you're unhappy that people you view as irreplacable can't go with you to the burn. I share that sentiment.

2. You might want to think before you judge, especially if you're going to lump me, and an organization whose policies I have so vigorously opposed, together. I too grieve my fallen camp mates. But I'm not the golden goose and can't shoot tickets from my ass (regrettably), so if we want to get to the burn with our art and our mutant vehicles and our workshops, we have to get real contributors with tickets to pitch in at the burn. Unequivocally. Not everyone will resonate with our goals and that's okay, they can find a different camp that's a better fit for them. Indeed, a theme camp is nothing without its people, which is why we're actively seeking good people.

We've been scooping up people that we like left and right, and the people who don't contribute to the quality of the camp experience with both a good vibe and the willingness to help can find another way to the burn. I only have room for people that a) I like and b) help out. When I'm on the hook for nearly a thousand hours and tens of thousands of dollars, I expect my camp mates to step up too--and when I find such a person who is without a camp, it's not a crime to "scoop them up", i.e. "radically include" them. Those who aren't actively participating (whether potential members or previous members) can camp with someone else, and I can camp with people that increase, rather than decrease, my enjoyment of the burn and the value that we add to the community.

So what is cynical and pathetically sad about expecting people to step up?
What is cynical and pathetically sad about finding people who want to help and including them?

The unfortunate silver lining in all of this is that the quality of our campers is going up because they are now all core members, and the spectators have fallen away from us.

Regarding cynicism: When your faith in an organization is so repeatedly pummeled by the decisions it makes and their inevitable consequences, it is natural to get a bit of a dark edge to your humor. The org has made its priorities clear, and those who run theme camps have to play ball if they want cooperation from the BMOrg in the future. That's not cynical, that's the fact.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Dr Jet Sinister » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:51 pm

mshaman wrote:We've been scooping up people that we like left and right, and the people who don't contribute to the quality of the camp experience with both a good vibe and the willingness to help can find another way to the burn. I only have room for people that a) I like and b) help out. When I'm on the hook for nearly a thousand hours and tens of thousands of dollars, I expect my camp mates to step up too--and when I find such a person who is without a camp, it's not a crime to "scoop them up", i.e. "radically include" them. Those who aren't actively participating (whether potential members or previous members) can camp with someone else, and I can camp with people that increase, rather than decrease, my enjoyment of the burn and the value that we add to the community.


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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Eric » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:00 pm

mshaman wrote: So what is cynical and pathetically sad about expecting people to step up?
What is cynical and pathetically sad about finding people who want to help and including them?


Pretty much the perfect statement.
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Re: Theme Camp Applications

Postby Trishntek » Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:19 pm

Interesting how this conversation has turned philosophical, but what has been recently posted does demonstrate what is happening with our camp.

As of right now, we have 20 dedicated members with tickets and the desire to contribute. Not only to the logistics of the camp, but also the theme of the camp are they desirous to be involved. Historically, about half our camp members were not as kinky-minded as the other half. I realize that may not mean much to most of you, but for our dungeon activities and games, we need all the twisted fucks we can get.

Many of those who camped with us before will not be with us this year. But it seems they are mostly those who were kind of on the fringe to begin with and so far, those who are with us this year, are in it for the lifestyle and not just comfort and convenience.
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