Flagstaff Bill wrote:Are there to be tickets for any of the CORE projects, like those that attended last year?
Those were wonderful, and a great way for BRC to show how it's all over the World!
There are rumors that the CORE projects are to be passed over in the MAR ticket distribution.
mshaman wrote:Just try harder and hope more without any substantial evidence that it's valued or seen by decision makers, and perhaps the arbitrary hand of the "process" will grant you a ticket.
Eric wrote:mshaman wrote:Just try harder and hope more without any substantial evidence that it's valued or seen by decision makers, and perhaps the arbitrary hand of the "process" will grant you a ticket.
mshaman, all your posts lately make it seem like you're already tossing in the towel and saying "fukkit, I can't win". Honestly, it makes me wonder if you believe in your camp enough to think it deserves to get tickets from the Org. If you can't convince yourself you're never going to convince them.
With regard to tickets, you're right. I can't win.
Eric wrote:mshaman wrote:Eric,
With regard to tickets, you're right. I can't win.
Yes, I read your whole post, I just didn't need to quote it all because this sums it up. You've given up without even trying, and as much as you want to blame the Org, you can't. If you're not willing to put the effort in to make your camp look good why should they consider you? I sure as hell wouldn't.
As much as you want to justify your reasoning by screaming "the system is unfair" because it doesn't tell you exactly how to sell yourself, it's not. If it gave you that information then every single camp would be saying the same thing. How would you stand out then? It truly would be just based on who knows whom.
I'm not arguing with you on this, there's no point. You've already decided you can't win and that ensures you won't win. The tickets will go to camps that are willing to put some effort into it, not ones who complain that they have to.
BTW: you apparently haven't read the latest on STEP: the Org is listening, if you entered for two tickets in the Main Drawing you can enter for two in STEP.
mshaman wrote:...I think you've stepped outside your role as a mod and into the role of board participant.
mshaman wrote:That said, thanks for the link, haven't seen the latest STEP developments.
theCryptofishist wrote:mshaman wrote:...I think you've stepped outside your role as a mod and into the role of board participant.
Hey! Eric's been a participant on this board for years and a mod for less than 6 months. It's a two-hat deal, here, anyway. He gets to have opinion and he gets to express them. He may not get to express them as I might, but if circumstances are such, he can throw down some snark. He's not paid, he's not getting a ticket, and he spends a lot of hours making this board better by spam-whacking. I guess his fellow mods give him a heads up when there are changes--which could be why he knew about two step tickets--but there seems to be no ohter benefits. He is allowed to have opinions, make observations, and otherwise be a participant, despite his being a mod as well.
mshaman wrote:Eric, I think you are taking the quote out of context, because I made it explicitly clear that I haven't given up on my camp, and I think you've stepped outside your role as a mod and into the role of board participant.
marcgorcey wrote:zorro - This is making me wonder if there's a first come first served policy that hasn't been published ?
Our registered camp will be submitting later and now I'm concerned.
Eric wrote:marcgorcey wrote:zorro - This is making me wonder if there's a first come first served policy that hasn't been published ?
You may have already "won", but on the downside don't forget only about 50% of camps that submit are going to get any tickets. It's a "take deep breaths" process.
Our camp hasn't registered yet either, we're small, we're making sure it says what we want. We're not panicking.
trilobyte wrote:@mshaman - you would be mistaken in jumping to the conclusion that moderators are not allowed to also be participants. It is both allowed and encouraged.
socks wrote:Cut Eric and the other mods some slack.Without them the eplaya would not be here.For this I thank you.Which bring up something I want say.I owe the mods a apology for my anger for the past 3 weeks.You all have taken a lot of crap from angry burners and did not tell anyone to fuck off.But i know you wanted too.
The real rub on the 10,000 tickets going to the Too Big To Fail Theme Camps is it tells the rest of us we are not good enough to get a ticket.Most of the burners I have met are not the fit in type of people.They have been rejected in the default world all their life but they did have one place they could be who they are and be accepted.This was the one city they fit in.That was the old Black Rock City.Meet the New Black Rock City in which we have a new caste system in that it values some burners more than others.So please do publish who did get the tickets.
funkyjigsaw wrote:... Can we all PLEASE remember that this is only a fix for this year, 2012...
funkyjigsaw wrote:Oh for crying out loud!!!! STOP please!
1. Can we all PLEASE remember that this is only a fix for this year, 2012. The BMORG and the community need to work together to design a system for next year (2013) that we can all buy-in to. Distributing the 10,000 tickets to the core projects is NOT setting a precedent for next year.
2. Disclosing who got the 10,000 tickets will just promote yet more bitterness and shit-storms, tearing the community apart. The BMORG should NOT and will not disclose that information.
3. What part of "THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH TICKETS FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO GO" do you not understand?? The scale of this over-demand took all of us and the BMORG by surprise. The BMORG are doing all they can to salvage a shit situation, and IMHO they have taken all the right decisions (except for the one-two STEP issue which they have now reversed).
4. There are going to be more "difficult" decisions for the BMORG in the months ahead. Personally, I am going to be as constructive and helpful as possible. For example, I think the BMORG are going to have to move to a "names on tickets" system. They are not ready to do this yet. I know they are thinking through all the pros and cons and listening to the community. I doubt they will do this for 2012 (I think it's too late for the 40,000), but I hope they adopt it for 2013. That's just one example - there are other tough decisions to be made I'm sure.
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