Removing Radical Inclusion

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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby oneeyeddick » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:32 am

Elimate...THE GINGERS!

They can't handle the sun's rays anyhow, and seeing all those freckles is a major turnoff to all the well tanned burners.
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby EspressoDude » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:34 am

But, Ginger tastes good, both in food, and right out of the bag......
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby lemur » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:34 am

I am in favor of removing radical-inclusion under ONE condition... ..a board of exclusion is created and I am its chairperson.

i read once that the best way to tell what a politician stands for is to ask them the Three (3) things they would do if they were a dictator..

so, in no particular order (because if i was a dictator theyd be excluded anyways)

EXCLUDE:

people who would sign up for shifts and be able to rationalize not showing up (without showing up to say they arent gonna do it)

people who sign up for shifts and are too drunk/fucked up to carry them out/walk straight when they do show up

people who seem to want to kill themselves at burning man by ingesting cases worth of robotussen and booze...putting an enormous strain on the rangers/medical/campmates




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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby Speedbump » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:40 am

Igneouss wrote:Eliminate:
All white men with dreds and women with pierced noses...


+1 :P
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby knowmad » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:46 am

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

― "quote onthe Statue of Liberty"



And then we build a fence, and define "legal' emigrant.
But then agian someone wishing to defend could (and did) always say; the above quote never said anything about being alowed a green card.

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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby Killbuck » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:18 am

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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby 7chix&me » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:21 am

Dang it! I'm a ginger with a pierced nose! :cry:
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby alt12 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:28 am

lemur wrote:
Speedbump wrote:If you want to limit the number of people that are coming to the event simply eliminate RV's altogether. A lot of people will then simply chose to stay home.


bullshit RV hate is Bullshit



Haha, bu then how will Larry camp?
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby ygmir » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:34 am

7chix&me wrote:Dang it! I'm a ginger with a pierced nose! :cry:


double negative.....you're ok.
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby Igneouss » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:43 am

Sounds like dredlocks in an RV would be ok
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby Eric » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:02 am

oneeyeddick wrote:Elimate...THE GINGERS!

They can't handle the sun's rays anyhow, and seeing all those freckles is a major turnoff to all the well tanned burners.


Nah, those leather-skinned "tan" Burners just can't accept that a pale ginger always looks younger & prettier than them.


Not that I'd worry, I'm a ginger in an RV- double negative, so I'm okay.
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby FlyingMonkey » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:33 pm

oneeyeddick wrote:It just simply can't exist anymore when the demand for tickets exceeds the supply.


Seriously, since you started this most revealing thread, who would you exclude(or not include, that sounds better), and what would it accomplish?
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby dragonpilot » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:42 pm

Actually, I think that only noobs should be admitted to BRC each year...no vets permitted! Now, that's an event I'd like to attend (but I wouldn't get to because I'm a vet.)...what a condum...I mean conundrum...
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby 7chix&me » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:02 pm

ygmir wrote:
7chix&me wrote:Dang it! I'm a ginger with a pierced nose! :cry:


double negative.....you're ok.


Eric wrote:Nah, those leather-skinned "tan" Burners just can't accept that a pale ginger always looks younger & prettier than them.
Not that I'd worry, I'm a ginger in an RV- double negative, so I'm okay.



ShhhWhew....Now if I could just find a ticket or two....
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby 48_love » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:45 pm

I don't feel excluded for not having a ticket yet.

But, there were some posts not related to the ticket fiasco revealing some stimuli for the 10 Principles that were more pragmatic than idealistic. Like Decommodification. Someone mentioned how BLM wasn't going to allow a big free for all marketplace on Federal Land and so was born "Decommodification". In that context, it's less about realizing some post-materialist societal imperative and simply establishing a norm that allows the event to take place.

I always read Radical Inclusion as a way to remind participants to not be dicks to people that they might not otherwise hang around.

Anyway, I am warming to the idea that I might not attend in 2012. I'm staying the course and will avail myself of every option remaining ... outside of scalpers. Is there a little hesitation/contemplation about being a virgin in BRC with the current state of affairs? To a certain extent, I think so. Do I care what people think? Hell no! So in the spirit of Radical Inclusion, don't be dicks to virgins in 2012 and Radical Inclusion is in effect! haha
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby alt12 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:57 pm

48_love wrote:But, there were some posts not related to the ticket fiasco revealing some stimuli for the 10 Principles that were more pragmatic than idealistic. Like Decommodification. Someone mentioned how BLM wasn't going to allow a big free for all marketplace on Federal Land and so was born "Decommodification". In that context, it's less about realizing some post-materialist societal imperative and simply establishing a norm that allows the event to take place.


The idea of decommodification was purposeful not a consequence of Federal burecracy. Larry Harvey has said many times over the years in talks and interviews, etc. that the idea was for people to be able to interact without the typical commercial buyer/seller relationship and he hoped this would lead to more meaningful interactions between people....


PS - The BLM is so not opposed to free for all wanton capitalism on Federal land.... Look at their policies on and their ludicrously low fees for mining, logging, etc. BLM is verryyy supportive of commercial activity on public property...
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby CapnJoe » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:07 pm

RADICAL INCLUSION? Was there ever such a thing? Just words for someone wanting to be different. I just like to go, like a lot of other people!
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:16 pm

alt12 wrote:PS - The BLM is so not opposed to free for all wanton capitalism on Federal land.... Look at their policies on and their ludicrously low fees for mining, logging, etc. BLM is verryyy supportive of commercial activity on public property...

Try looking for food vending on blm land. I only found one place, in Imperial County, I think, that had it and you had to take your cart/trailor off of public land once every five days for cleaning. So it's very different from, say, Curry Village in Yosemite.
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby trilobyte » Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:05 pm

@oneeyeddick - You can split hairs on radical inclusion all day long if you like, some argue that it was out the minute they started charging for tickets. Or for that matter, holding the event in the middle of nowhere. In a world of scarcity, I read radical inclusion as being everyone has a chance to get a ticket and participate.

@Lord Of Ruin - I agree, and I'd like to see a high percentage of new burners too. I've only been participating since 2004, so I missed all the years where the event had doubled in size and 50% of the people in BRC had never been to Burning Man before. By all accounts, the event did not suck before 1997 ('96 was the last year it doubled).

@dragonpilot - you may actually be the very first person who's suggested an excluding a group of people that would also exclude them from participating. Selfless and refreshing, and it would certainly be an interesting experiment, but I'm glad we all have a chance to go.
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby oneeyeddick » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:33 pm

48_love wrote:.

I always read Radical Inclusion as a way to remind participants to not be dicks to people that they might not otherwise hang around.
haha


That is pretty much what I thought it was supposed to mean also, but I, of course, have a really hard time following through with this jesture of kindness.

haha indeed.
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby lemur » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:51 pm

radical inclusion means you can bring your really godawful

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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby 48_love » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:57 am

oneeyeddick wrote:
That is pretty much what I thought it was supposed to mean also, but I, of course, have a really hard time following through with this jesture of kindness.

haha indeed.


Well, as long as your heart is in the right place ... or at least somewhere, then I am sure it's fine! lol

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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby oneeyeddick » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:12 pm

Well, there they are, removing it again.
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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby nncoco » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:38 pm

Lord Of Ruin wrote:
Radical inclusion my ass. Most of the proposed "solutions" to the fiasco by long time burners include some method of awarding tix to theme camps, long time burners, artists, etc.

Everyone seems to have the attitude that they earned the right to be there, and that poor noobs certainly won't make for a good Burning Man all by their lonesome. If part of the grand experiment is to see just how temporary the temporary community will be, I say let it all play out. I'd love to see what an event would look like with ~40% completely new burners.

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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby SquirrelHead » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:11 am

Eric wrote:
oneeyeddick wrote:Elimate...THE GINGERS!

They can't handle the sun's rays anyhow, and seeing all those freckles is a major turnoff to all the well tanned burners.


Nah, those leather-skinned "tan" Burners just can't accept that a pale ginger always looks younger & prettier than them.


Not that I'd worry, I'm a ginger in an RV- double negative, so I'm okay.


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Re: Removing Radical Inclusion

Postby 7chix&me » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:13 pm

Or dye your hair
or get a nose ring
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