I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby BaliKen » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:11 pm

We are from the island of Bali and are building a theme camp with a Bali Beach theme. I need to bring in at least 1,000 gallons of water. Has anyone had experience with bringing in this amount of water before? Specifically: 1) Were you able to find a company in Reno or somewhere else to truck it in, or did you have to bring it in yourself? 2) how did you dispose of it? It water considered a waste product under the BM rules? Can we just spread it out on the playa or do we have to truck it out?

Thanks for any help on this.

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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby AntiM » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:14 pm

If people enter it, it is greywater and must be removed.

Public pools are not allowed. What are you thinking of doing with that much water?
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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby Savannah » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:23 pm

Hi Bali Ken.

Excellent question.

Water, dirty or clean, should not hit the playa. You would need to evaporate it (sounds difficult at that amount--but I've never tried) or have a system to collect it and truck it back out.

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If you're going to want to be a registered, placed theme camp, you'll probably need to be able to explain on your application how you're going to handle your water situation, so that it doesn't make the world's largest puddle. :) Playa mud has to be seen to be believed.
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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby Dr. Pyro » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:05 pm

Maybe they can use it for "dust abatement".
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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby BaliKen » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:02 pm

Hi AntiM,

Thanks for the reply.

I'm OK with trucking out what ever water remains. But you say the "public pools" are not allowed so this may be a problem.

What I am planning to do is construct a water dump - a bit like the one here - http://www.cedarfalls.com/index.aspx?NID=652. It will be a 500 gallon tank with a 500 gallon reserve to make up for evaporation and splashing. The pump will be solar powered. I figure it will take about a 1.5 hours refill the tank. It will have a sand filter, and sanitized with saline system (I hope). The platform holding the tank will be 10 feet high. The catch basin will only have about a 1 foot of water in it when all of the water is dump into it. I could make the catch basin bigger to spread the water out more and lower the water level if this is a problem.

Would this be considered a "public pool"

Thanks for your help.

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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:05 pm

Are people going to be in it, is the operative question.
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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby lemur » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:17 pm

sounds like a disaster waiting to happen...


besides,.. we already have something like this at burning man...


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sad, that there seems to be so many illiterate people at burning man

they should have a recording saying "AVOID CONTACT, NON-POTABLE WATER, STAY BACK 100 FEET" for the people who might not be able to read..
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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby BaliKen » Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:00 am

Hi Lemur,

Thanks for the photo.

Yes, we are very cognizant that it could be a "disaster" and public safety is the most important consideration. The worst thing that could happen of course is that it falls down. For that reason we are over-engineering the design to provide enough support in all configurations (filling and dumping) of the tank. We have calculated the loads, and the tank platform will be supported with large vertical posts as well as load bearing side supports spread out at a 30 degree angle from vertical to provide enough sideways support to both help carry the load and eliminate any horizontal swaying. Plus there will be sufficient bracing to hold the supports in place. So for a water tower, it will have a much wider than normal base and much more heavily constructed. It will held together with large nuts and bolts - no nails. There will be no compromising on materials. We will pre-build the unit in Truckee and thoroughly testing it there before dismantling it and moving it to the playa.

All that said, I am a firm believer in Murphy's law that if it can go wrong, it will. So we are always thinking "what if this happens, or this breaks", etc, and trying mitigate it. For us the engineering design challenge is part of the fun.

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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby lemur » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:14 am

I am not sure if its the BEST email to use but it surely would be one involved in making sure this worked on the playa (I am assuming it would be an on-playa art project and not in the city proper...)

You should talk to the folks at the ARTery about your ideas, the project.. safety.. permissibility etc..

email them at artery [AT] burningman [dot] com
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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby jkisha » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:24 am

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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby Elliot » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:27 am

I'm pretty sure I saw a big home-made water slide in 2006. And in 2010 there was a professional-quality public shower with everything hauled in and out on 18-wheelers -- on 2:00 Street, I think.

Sanitation -- killing the germs that accumulate in the water from rinsing off so many people's grimy butts -- would be a key issue, methinks.

Wild guess: You might need more than 100% replacement of the water for a whole week's use.

Caution: A plastic tarp on the ground with a bit of water and dust on it is slick as ice to walk on.
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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby BaliKen » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:04 pm

Elliot,

Thanks for the tips.

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Re: I want to bring 1,000 gallons of water - Help!

Postby BaliKen » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:07 pm

Lemur,

thanks. I will do.

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