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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby BBadger » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:09 pm

Dang, I was going to suggest some of those power sticks at ExtremeGlow, but they don't sell them anymore. They were great for lighting up bikes with. The other cheapo light sticks work though.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby ibdave » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:39 pm

tattoogoddess wrote:That is my plan! Stocking up on lights! Have not seen any battery powered ones though :( I think I need to look to find a pack that I can plug my lights into. Any leads? I just want to do it for my bike.



Any place that has a large selection will have some battery set ups.. You have to REALLY LOOK hard for them though. big-box hardware even. even saw solar rope lights now. 8) 8) 8)
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby junglesmacks » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:05 am

BBadger wrote:Dang, I was going to suggest some of those power sticks at ExtremeGlow, but they don't sell them anymore. They were great for lighting up bikes with. The other cheapo light sticks work though.


Are these the sticks you're talking about? They still sell them..??
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby FIGJAM » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:05 am

Just came from walmart and way back by the xmas lights I found the 20 led light strings 3AA for $4.95. 8)
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby BBadger » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:43 am

junglesmacks wrote:
BBadger wrote:Dang, I was going to suggest some of those power sticks at ExtremeGlow, but they don't sell them anymore. They were great for lighting up bikes with. The other cheapo light sticks work though.


Are these the sticks you're talking about? They still sell them..??


No, the "Power Sticks" like these. They used to be part of that category, but the sticks were larger and held AAA batteries as opposed to those button cells. I was initially disappointed with them, but they did make great bike lights for visibility purposes. EG had them last year, but maybe they sold out or something.

I'm a pretty big fan of these though. Though they're pretty obnoxious because of the blinking. They also suck for not having an off switch. Unscrewing them often leads them to fall apart too :( Still, the light pipe on them is really quite nice and they're well built.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby junglesmacks » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:44 am

BBadger wrote:No, the "Power Sticks" like these. They used to be part of that category, but the sticks were larger and held AAA batteries as opposed to those button cells. I was initially disappointed with them, but they did make great bike lights for visibility purposes. EG had them last year, but maybe they sold out or something.


Ahh.. I gotcha. They look just like the led swords which do make great cheap lightup material. We had a couple of nights without the lightsuit where I just stuck one in the webbing of my backpack with the top about head high and it worked fine for safety. $1.50 and you can't really go too wrong.


You know.. I can only hope to dear god that my LED company gets talked about as much as EG does on here.. geez.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby BBadger » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:10 pm

junglesmacks wrote:You know.. I can only hope to dear god that my LED company gets talked about as much as EG does on here.. geez.


It'll mostly depend on if the products are cheap and decent enough to warrant interest.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby junglesmacks » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:35 pm

BBadger wrote:
junglesmacks wrote:You know.. I can only hope to dear god that my LED company gets talked about as much as EG does on here.. geez.


It'll mostly depend on if the products are cheap and decent enough to warrant interest.



I guess "cheap" and "decent" is all relative, hm? $500 and mind blowing/groundbreaking vs $1.50 blinky swords could both qualify I s'pose. Only one will be in the news though.. :wink:
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby BBadger » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:03 pm

Mindblowing is great, but if it's too expensive and esoteric that nobody wishes to pony up the cash... well, it'll go the way of the Segway.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby junglesmacks » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:12 pm

Very true. I think the discussion of the coming surge of societal embrace and craving for digital lighting and other things is best left to another day and place, though.
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Re: Congo Blue

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:37 pm

Has the name of this thread always been "Congo Blue"?
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Re: Congo Blue

Postby junglesmacks » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:05 pm

Fuck off, shill. Reported.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby Eric » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:40 pm

"Congo Blue" was the original name in 2003, it was switched last spring to be more inclusive. I've switched it back to Glowies, Blinkies, et al...
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Re: Congo Blue

Postby DustHand » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:41 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Has the name of this thread always been "Congo Blue"?


I think there is something wonky going on...when I first looked at the spam above, it said Congo Blue...then it changed to the correct name.

Now the last 2 posts say Congo Blue.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby DustHand » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:41 pm

Eric wrote:"Congo Blue" was the original name in 2003, it was switched last spring to be more inclusive. I've switched it back to Glowies, Blinkies, et al...


Sorry to call you "wonky."
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Re: Congo Blue

Postby junglesmacks » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:48 pm

junglesmacks wrote:Fuck off, shill. Reported.



For the record, this was directed at a now deleted spam/shill post.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby Eric » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:49 pm

DustHand wrote:
Eric wrote:"Congo Blue" was the original name in 2003, it was switched last spring to be more inclusive. I've switched it back to Glowies, Blinkies, et al...


Sorry to call you "wonky."


I've been called worse.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:14 pm

I don't remember back to 2003...
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby Eric » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:45 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I don't remember back to 2003...


Like I do- I just checked the thread title on the first post, then did a quick glance from the last posts back to see how long it had been "glowies". :D
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

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Ah, ~~~~~magic mod powers~~~~
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby VultureChow » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:03 pm

So... I'm trying to make an LED hat as simple as possible. If I were to get a 5m roll of the RGB LEDs on ebay that require 12v and 72 Watts...

That's 6 Amps. So two banks of 4 AA batteries would give me 8x1.5 Volts for 12 v and depending on the battery 2400mA x 8 = 19.2 amps.

That seems to be too little power to me.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby VultureChow » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:06 pm

[quote="VultureChow"]So... I'm trying to make an LED hat as simple as possible. If I were to get a 5m roll of the RGB LEDs on ebay that require 12v and 72 Watts...

That's 6 Amps. So two banks of 4 AA batteries would give me 8x1.5 Volts for 12 v and depending on the battery 2400mA x 8 = 19.2 amps.

Could that work? It just feels like 8 little batteries is too little to power 200 LEDs.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby DustHand » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:49 pm

It will power them, but they may not last very long. Based on that math, they will run about 3 hours.

Are you planning on having them flash, or be steady burning? You start to run into variables with flashing lights...the longer they are "off" the longer your battery will last...it can be difficult to calculate.

The controller probably has some current draw as well, which will reduce the life as well.

I am working on a pair of LED fur coats, and have been going over a lot of ideas for batteries.
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There are many options...depending upon your resources on playa (generator for recharging?) and your financial resources (Li-Ion batteries are great...good mAh ratings, charge fast, but are expensive!)

I am thinking about getting a belt pack and putting 2 lantern style batteries, in series. They are 6 volts each, and a whopping 13,000 mAh each! They should last all night, and then just throw them away. Last thing you want to have happen is forget to charge your batteries...then your glorious project that you spent so much time on will just be a hat.

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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby SnowBlind » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:27 pm

VultureChow wrote:So... I'm trying to make an LED hat as simple as possible. If I were to get a 5m roll of the RGB LEDs on ebay that require 12v and 72 Watts...

That's 6 Amps. So two banks of 4 AA batteries would give me 8x1.5 Volts for 12 v and depending on the battery 2400mA x 8 = 19.2 amps.

That seems to be too little power to me.


There are several things wrong with your math. First, if you are running batteries in series, the amps don't get multiplied with the number of batteries. So you would have to draw 6 Amps out of each Battery. I am not sure what the max is for AA, but I doubt they could even deliver 6 Amps.

Second, what is that 2400mA number? That sounds like it could be the capacity of a AA. In that case it's mA/h (milliAmp/Hours), not mA. Which means you can't multiply that by 8 and get anything meaningful.

Depending on weather you put your batteries in parallel or in series, you would either get 2400mA/h at 12V, or 19A/h at 1.5V, but not both.

Theoretically, if you could draw 6A from a battery that has a capacity of 2400mA/h, it means the battery would lasst 24 minutes. In reality it would be even less, since the capacity it not a set constant, but depends on how much power you are drawing. The faster you discharge the battery, the less you are going to get.

OTOH, as DustHand pointed out, it depends on the program you are running on your LEDs. Are they all on all the time, or are you running some kind of pattern? So you should probably figure out what effects you are running on it, then measure how much current they draw under those circumstances, then work you way to the battery requirements from there.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby SnowBlind » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:41 pm

SnowBlind wrote:
VultureChow wrote:So you would have to draw 6 Amps out of each Battery. I am not sure what the max is for AA, but I doubt they could even deliver 6 Amps.


Found a datasheet for AAs: http://www.duracell.com/media/en-US/pdf/gtcl/Product_Data_Sheet/NA_DATASHEETS/MX1500_US_UL.pdf

On the second page, check out the "Typical Delivered Capacity vs Power Drain" chart. Over 100mW (=66mA) you are seeing the capacity droping noticably. At 500mW (=333mA) you are getting less than half of the capacity, and over that it just falls of a cliff. No way are you getting 6 Amps.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby BBadger » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:40 pm

VultureChow wrote:So... I'm trying to make an LED hat as simple as possible. If I were to get a 5m roll of the RGB LEDs on ebay that require 12v and 72 Watts...

That's 6 Amps. So two banks of 4 AA batteries would give me 8x1.5 Volts for 12 v and depending on the battery 2400mA x 8 = 19.2 amps.

That seems to be too little power to me.


You're going to put five (5) meters (~16ft) of LED rope on your hat and expect to power them for long using common household AA batteries? The hat will look cool, but AAs won't cut it. You need to know how to power them properly.

- Understanding batteries:

- Batteries are theoretically able to provide infinite current. What you're most interested in besides voltage is the amp-hour (AH) rating, i.e. how long the batteries can supply a given amount of current. Alkaline AA batteries, for example, have a mAh (milliamp-hour, i.e. 0.001Amp * hour) rating of about 2600mAh maximum--at a 500mA loads. For a perfect Alkaline battery (most are not 2600mAh), or rather 8 of them to make 12V, you'd get about 26 minutes of light at 6Amps (2600mAh = 2.6AH --> 2.6AH / 6Amp = 0.43hours = 26 minutes). This will not be the case in practice, see below:

- Some batteries are better for some things than others:

  • Alkaline batteries have long shelf-life at low current drain and hold their voltage high until they're almost completely discharged; they're great for regular flash lights, smoke detectors, etc. They are not good at high discharge (current) rates, because high discharge rates causes heating and internal resistance, reducing battery life substantially.
  • Deep-cycle lead-acid batteries are great for high-current power solutions; they're also cheap for their AH ratings, but heavy because of the lead and chemicals. Deep-cycle means it can be (re)charged and discharged many times without reducing capacity, which makes them popular for solar cell array power storage, and large power capacity storage. They are great for camp lights if you can keep them charged (don't discharge below 50% for long life, and use a special charging circuit).
  • Nickel-Metal Hydride (NiMH) rechargeable batteries are good high-current-drain rechargeable batteries, often used as replacements for consumer Alkaline batteries, but have slightly lower voltages than Alkalines (1.2V vs. 1.5V), and have self-discharge over time. NiMH batteries are great for digital cameras and RC vehicles (for motor power) because they support high current drain (and good for your LEDs too), but due to their weight are not good (ideal) for portable devices or RC aircraft.
  • Lithium-Ion (Li-Ion) or Lithium-Polymer (Lipo) rechargeable batteries pack the highest energy density of all rechargeable batteries, have higher voltages (3.6-4.2V), but are expensive, must be charges with special circuits lest they burn or explode, and need to be conditioned initially for long lifespans; they're good for portable devices and applications needing a lot of energy, but are expensive.
  • Nickel-Cadmium batteries are the rechargeable batteries of the olden days, notorious for their "memory effect" which artificially reduces capacity if you don't continuously condition your batteries. Don't buy these.

- What should you get? I would suggest buying some RC battery packs (like these). Yes, they're expensive, but it's because they're rechargeable. That other battery thread describes using D-cell batteries. That's great, but those are usually Alkaline batteries, and despite the size and capacity of D-cells, they will suffer from heating and high discharge, which reduces their mAh rating. Those D-cells also expensive at about $1.20 each I believe. RC battery packs are usually made with NiMH batteries, which are perfect for high-drain applications such as the lighting you're planning.

- What else should you do? You should sequence your LEDs (i.e. program them to turn on and off) if possible, in order to not have them on all the time. Even with a big-ass battery pack, you'll only get a few hours at most out of them running at a full 6Amps, unless you want a carry around a couple 100-pound lead-acid batteries in a backpack. Those 5meter ropes are VERY bright, especially at night. They're the same brightness as those LED strip lights on the Tunnel of Questionable Enlightenment. You don't need them at full brightness, and you should look into a dimmer.

For rope lights, I would suggest you buy some of those programmable LED rope lights. Then you can program in patterns, which will save you power, and also look cool. You'll still need the 12V battery packs, and those strips of lights cost a pretty penny (look for those using the WS2801 driver). Oh, and you need to program them, but you can search the board for tips on that.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby gyre » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:11 am

There are also lithium disposable, about 2.5 X the power of alkalines, if I recall correctly.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby junglesmacks » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:32 am

FWIW, I'm getting 5000 mAh LiPo 10C rated battery packs for $6. They're way more affordable than you think.
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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby BBadger » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:37 am

gyre wrote:There are also lithium disposable, about 2.5 X the power of alkalines, if I recall correctly.
Light and good for high demand or slow use.
Costly past AAs, as are nimhs.


Yeah, those Lithiums are pretty expensive, and while they have good discharge rates, they don't have much higher capacities.

I guess the bottom line is that portable power like that is just not going to be cheap.

junglesmacks wrote:FWIW, I'm getting 5000 mAh LiPo 10C rated battery packs for $6. They're way more affordable than you think.


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Re: Glowies, Blinkies, UVies & Other Illuminations

Postby catinthefunnyhat » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:50 am

tattoogoddess wrote:Head up, not sure if your dollar general has them in your area but they have them here- 150 hour ECO LED glow sticks for $2. The ones with the little batteries from LifeGear. They are bright!! They have them on their site for $2.99. They have one with a flashlight,whistle, and the led with 200 hours for $6.99 and the waterproof one for $9.99

I picked one up and am thinking about picking up the last 3 that where there tomm. Pretty good deal!! I got blue/teal. Turned it on in the dark and it actually kinda hurts my eyes.





Just found out about these searching online for eco-friendly glow sticks. So exciting! Fellow Canadians, they have 'em at Canadian Tire (finally figured this out after determining that none of the retailers that carry them in the States seem to sell or ship them here). Such a great idea! Will be useful for BM, camping, and mini-light-sabre (light dagger? light switchblade?) battles.
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