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Re: Military Discount?

Postby davidpatrone » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:39 am

Regardless of what these vets actually do in the service, at one point they wrote a blank check up to and including the value of their lives in service of this country. Say what you want, but that's a hell of a commitment to make as a kid just out of high school.

So, even if they were in some cushy skate job getting laid and drunk and having a ball, they rolled the dice at some tender age and for that I give them a lot of credit. I am a Marine, no longer on active duty, and although I didn't go house to house with a rifle shooting insurgents or placing myself in imminent danger for months at a time, I and others like me worked harder and sacrificed more than you can probably imagine while the majority of our counterparts in civilian life were sitting in college getting drunk, partying and taking advantage of the bell curve. Sure we party hard when we have the chance and we get supported by the government in many ways like medical and housing and a fair paycheck but while I was in the Corps, I used to dream daily of being back on the beach in my home state, attending college and living it up like my friends were. In retrospect, the values and experiences I received while I was out there serving my country have served me well in my life and I am extremely grateful that I chose to serve my country. I learned the value of hard work and the camaraderie of the Marines that worked beside me. These days I own a company and as I evaluate the civilian workforce I have to sit and laugh, it's sad though, really. I hire a Marine every time I can because there is a much better chance that they have a strong work ethic and understand the self esteem that comes from taking pride in one's performance.

I don't ask for handouts either, I don't need them. The Corps gave me something infinitely more valuable than discounts. They taught me how to succeed. Not everyone has been so fortunate as I and when I see one of these vets come along in need, I almost always put out a helping hand, but that's not to say that YOU should have to do that. You don't have to worry about us, we take care of our own. Offer your discounts to these whiners who can somehow afford to buy extravagant costumes and other BM accoutrement but can't seem to come up with $320 or $360 for a ticket... It's not like there's a huge difference in price between the tier anyway. Get a part time job for crissake... If you can't figure out how to make an extra $300 in a year, then you don't belong at an event that is based on radical self-reliance. Anything in this life worth having is worth striving for. In fact, the harder you have to work for a thing, the more valuable it will be to you.

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Clar-i-ty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:53 am

davidpatrone wrote:Regardless of what these vets actually do in the service, at one point they wrote a blank check up to and including the value of their lives in service of this country. Say what you want, but that's a hell of a commitment to make as a kid just out of high school.

So, even if they were in some cushy skate job getting laid and drunk and having a ball, they rolled the dice at some tender age and for that I give them a lot of credit. I am a Marine, no longer on active duty, and although I didn't go house to house with a rifle shooting insurgents or placing myself in imminent danger for months at a time, I and others like me worked harder and sacrificed more than you can probably imagine while the majority of our counterparts in civilian life were sitting in college getting drunk, partying and taking advantage of the bell curve. Sure we party hard when we have the chance and we get supported by the government in many ways like medical and housing and a fair paycheck but while I was in the Corps, I used to dream daily of being back on the beach in my home state, attending college and living it up like my friends were. In retrospect, the values and experiences I received while I was out there serving my country have served me well in my life and I am extremely grateful that I chose to serve my country. I learned the value of hard work and the camaraderie of the Marines that worked beside me. These days I own a company and as I evaluate the civilian workforce I have to sit and laugh, it's sad though, really. I hire a Marine every time I can because there is a much better chance that they have a strong work ethic and understand the self esteem that comes from taking pride in one's performance.

I don't ask for handouts either, I don't need them. The Corps gave me something infinitely more valuable than discounts. They taught me how to succeed. Not everyone has been so fortunate as I and when I see one of these vets come along in need, I almost always put out a helping hand, but that's not to say that YOU should have to do that. You don't have to worry about us, we take care of our own. Offer your discounts to these whiners who can somehow afford to buy extravagant costumes and other BM accoutrement but can't seem to come up with $320 or $360 for a ticket... It's not like there's a huge difference in price between the tier anyway. Get a part time job for crissake... If you can't figure out how to make an extra $300 in a year, then you don't belong at an event that is based on radical self-reliance. Anything in this life worth having is worth striving for. In fact, the harder you have to work for a thing, the more valuable it will be to you.

Just sayin.


You know Dave, you bring up a good point. We spend a fair amount of time learning to adapt and overcome, and that translates into everything we do in life. We also learn to just suck it up and drive on.

A Military Discount is a simply a gesture. The lack of one has not and will not keep me or most vets I know who are determined to go, off the playa.

Still very disappointed with those broad brushstrokes being used, but it's what is to be expected.

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Lord Of Ruin » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:16 pm

The Raven wrote:I know several vets from Iraq who went there, drank a lot screwed a lot, and had a wild time for the most part all while on the taxpayer dime. Then they come back to the US and have a heros welcome with jobs on a platter and free college educations. Sure there were a few who were not as lucky, but they were the exception and not the rule. It's not like the real wars like Vietnam, Korea and WW1+2 where sacrifice was truly made by all.

Due to asthma I was denied entry and became a LEO and Firefighter. Did I get any benefits for protecting post 9/11.....nope. All I got was denied employment because a vet had hiring preference and huge college loans.


You are lying. You do not know these mythical persons. How do I know? Because I'm a vet and NONE of the benefits work as you say. Not a one.

So....you're speculating and grousing and making assumptions/straw men to support your case.

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:12 pm

Lord Of Ruin wrote:
The Raven wrote:I know several vets from Iraq who went there, drank a lot screwed a lot, and had a wild time for the most part all while on the taxpayer dime. Then they come back to the US and have a heros welcome with jobs on a platter and free college educations. Sure there were a few who were not as lucky, but they were the exception and not the rule. It's not like the real wars like Vietnam, Korea and WW1+2 where sacrifice was truly made by all.

Due to asthma I was denied entry and became a LEO and Firefighter. Did I get any benefits for protecting post 9/11.....nope. All I got was denied employment because a vet had hiring preference and huge college loans.


You are lying. You do not know these mythical persons. How do I know? Because I'm a vet and NONE of the benefits work as you say. Not a one.

So....you're speculating and grousing and making assumptions/straw men to support your case.

So, this is an Ygmir question, but aren't ravens the scavengers of battlefields, and associated with a war-god? Thought, Memory.
Not that it's particularly pertinent, but it does add an interesting wrinkle to the discussion in light of the screen name.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby ygmir » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:30 pm

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Lord Of Ruin wrote:
The Raven wrote:I know several vets from Iraq who went there, drank a lot screwed a lot, and had a wild time for the most part all while on the taxpayer dime. Then they come back to the US and have a heros welcome with jobs on a platter and free college educations. Sure there were a few who were not as lucky, but they were the exception and not the rule. It's not like the real wars like Vietnam, Korea and WW1+2 where sacrifice was truly made by all.

Due to asthma I was denied entry and became a LEO and Firefighter. Did I get any benefits for protecting post 9/11.....nope. All I got was denied employment because a vet had hiring preference and huge college loans.


You are lying. You do not know these mythical persons. How do I know? Because I'm a vet and NONE of the benefits work as you say. Not a one.

So....you're speculating and grousing and making assumptions/straw men to support your case.

So, this is an Ygmir question, but aren't ravens the scavengers of battlefields, and associated with a war-god? Thought, Memory.
Not that it's particularly pertinent, but it does add an interesting wrinkle to the discussion in light of the screen name.



well, Odin (one of his many titles is as a war god, although, he is known as a trickster, like Loki, in chossing victors) (Thor, is a better know war god, as well at Tyr) has two "friends" Hugin and Munin......as you say, Thought and Memory/mind. They fly about the world and bring back news and information (RNN: Raven news network).
They do scavenge.....but are the most cunning and intelligent of the bird world. They help to chose the heros, for Valhalla and Sessrumnir, although, said hero's are also/mainly chosen and delivered by Valkyries.......
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Clar-i-ty » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:30 pm

Notice the title of the book was "To Kill a Mockingbird" Ravens are fair game. Now where'd I put that shot gun?
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby The Raven » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:17 pm

ygmir wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:So, this is an Ygmir question, but aren't ravens the scavengers of battlefields, and associated with a war-god? Thought, Memory.
Not that it's particularly pertinent, but it does add an interesting wrinkle to the discussion in light of the screen name.



well, Odin (one of his many titles is as a war god, although, he is known as a trickster, like Loki, in chossing victors) (Thor, is a better know war god, as well at Tyr) has two "friends" Hugin and Munin......as you say, Thought and Memory/mind. They fly about the world and bring back news and information (RNN: Raven news network).
They do scavenge.....but are the most cunning and intelligent of the bird world. They help to chose the heros, for Valhalla and Sessrumnir, although, said hero's are also/mainly chosen and delivered by Valkyries.......


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Re: Military Discount?

Postby knowmad » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:34 pm

The Raven wrote:I know several vets from Iraq who went there, drank a lot screwed a lot, and had a wild time for the most part all while on the taxpayer dime. Then they come back to the US and have a heros welcome with jobs on a platter and free college educations. Sure there were a few who were not as lucky, but they were the exception and not the rule. It's not like the real wars like Vietnam, Korea and WW1+2 where sacrifice was truly made by all.

Due to asthma I was denied entry and became a LEO and Firefighter. Did I get any benefits for protecting post 9/11.....nope. All I got was denied employment because a vet had hiring preference and huge college loans.

I now have a new canidate nomination for topDouchbag/fucktard of 2011...
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Nipple » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:44 pm

A few years ago, I worked in telecom.

It's a very weird intersection of blue collar and tech. A lot of people come into it via the military, since they end up having some pretty good OJT for radio networks and voice comms.

We're sitting in a training, and the subject of the military comes up, and a coworker looks across the table at me and says, "You know... a lot of people say that veterans are heros, but they're not."

There was some amazing restraint in that room. The radio engineer next to me spent the 80s in South American jungles on "Training exercises" that only in the last few years were reclassified as active combat, so he could receive the recognition he deserved. The tech across from me was in Panama to depose Noriega. Pretty much everyone in the room but this person and myself were ex-military, some even still in the reserves.

Everyone, except for myself, and this person.

I was pretty dumbfounded. I think my response was to laugh and say "Wow."

The guy at least has the cojones or the ignorance to speak his mind. I'll give him that.

Raven... sorry your lungs kept you out of public service. Thanks for becoming a LEO and a Firefighter. If I ever see you, next round is on me.

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby maryanimal » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:16 pm

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Foxfur wrote:
The Raven wrote:I know several vets from Iraq who went there, drank a lot screwed a lot, and had a wild time for the most part all while on the taxpayer dime. Then they come back to the US and have a heros welcome with jobs on a platter and free college educations. Sure there were a few who were not as lucky, but they were the exception and not the rule. It's not like the real wars like Vietnam, Korea and WW1+2 where sacrifice was truly made by all.

Due to asthma I was denied entry and became a LEO and Firefighter. Did I get any benefits for protecting post 9/11.....nope. All I got was denied employment because a vet had hiring preference and huge college loans.

Wow.
You don't sound like much of a team player. With that mindset I'm not sure you'd have done well at all in the military. Sentiments like yours are resented amongst soldiers.
You didn't get benefits for LEO / firefighter duty? Were you promised them as US military personnel are? Was it in your new hire paperwork or contract?
I was denied a $3000 signing bonus at the last minute before I shipped out to basic training. I had the right to cancel my enlistment contract. Did I? No. Why? Because I wasn't in it for the money or benefits. Period. I joined for the privelege to serve my country. Joining the military for money is a fool's move.
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I've never used any benefits that I am entitled to from my service. No VA loans, no GI bill, no hiring points!
The one, and greatest, benefit that I received from my military service is that I met the woman who would become my unbelievably wonderful wife while on a firing range. THAT, my friend, is the greatest benefit of all. It is beyond price.

As to coming home to jobs on a platter and a lifetime of goodwill with money spilling out of their pockets being the rule? Bullshit.
Have you heard of Iraq / Afghanistan vets that are homeless and / or jobless. There are many, many, many. Infantry soldiers have limited civilain job opportunities with their lack of civilian applicable skills. I'm not knocking them, I was in a combat arms artillery unit. Not lots of opportunities for dropping steel from the sky to make ends meet in civvy life. Fortunately I have many skill sets.

And "not like real wars like Vietnam, Korea and WW1+2 where sacrifice was truly made by all"?
Is not the sacrifice of one's arms, legs, eyes, or psychological well being enough? Many male soldiers bank their sperm for the reason that losing their testicles to an IED is not uncommon. A wife, husband, mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, neice, nephew, or cousin losing their loved one to war is quite a sacrifice.

Every day 18 veterans commit suicide. Eighteen. That's one veteran every 80 minutes. In my state of Oregon, veteran suicides account for 27% of suicides annually.

Real wars? The fact that our service men AND WOMEN are being killed almost every day FOR TEN YEARS NOW should be reason enough to consider these current wars as real. When you see a vet walking on a prosthetic leg, he's been to war. When you hear of a vet in treatment for PTSD, they've been to war. When you see a vet cry for the loss of a buddy when they were on a mission together just hours ago, they've been to war. When you hear a child cry because their mommy is never coming home because she was killed by a suicide bomber when she was driving a truckload of supplies to the front, she's been to war. Real war. Fighting and killing and dying and screaming war. Real fucking war.

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Lassen Forge » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:30 pm

+110...

There is something that bugs me about someone who was never in, yet sits there like the kid in high school who BS'd his way thru to make hisself sound better than he was. If you DIDN'T serve, then you got no room to talk SHIT about those of us who were.

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby knowmad » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:57 am

Thanks for going to bat for us here FoxFur, well said and with restraint.

Raven I am glad you were excluded from serving alongside my felow sevice men and women. I also feel scared for those that work with you and around you as a LEO and FireFighter, you fail to impress a feeling of trust or integrity that comes with the title of your job.

I want my discount! I do not expect you or people like you to pay more, but stand down. there's a debt to be payed and you hold no coin.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:47 am

knowmad wrote:
I want my discount! I do not expect you or people like you to pay more, but stand down. there's a debt to be payed and you hold no coin.

If I am understanding your meaning here, I strongly disagree. As a veteran you are NOT entitled to a discount when you decide to participate in any PRIVATE event.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby knowmad » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:51 am

Yeah JK yer right. BM is a private event and doesn't offer a military discount. Nor a senior discount or disabled persons discount. And you are within your rights to say such. And unlike Raven; said so without being rude and disrespectfull.
But BM does offer a low income rate and a scholarship rate. Other private institutions do offer such discounts. What I was saying up there was mostly to point out that Raven really did address the thread topic (and agian we eplayens fell into the drift) but the way Raven did so was/is discourtious therefore negating his(her) say in the matter. But agian I fell for a Troll ploy. But I still say "yeah" the org could offer a vetren/service rate. I myself would not use it, but then agian I dont go to the VA didn't touch my GI Bill $ when I whent to school. I've got my reasons why, but this isn't the place to go into it, but would on a one to one level share it. Hit me up at the MnG.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:10 am

didn't touch my GI Bill $ when I whent to school.

Not a comment on knowmad's reasons.
I, for one, who never went to the army, and something of a pacifist, am sorry to hear that some of you are reluctant to collect benefits. Okay, the VA is shortchanging people on healthcare already and if you can afford to go elsewhere, that's fine, your choice.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:54 pm

knowmad wrote:Yeah JK yer right. BM is a private event and doesn't offer a military discount. Nor a senior discount or disabled persons discount. And you are within your rights to say such. And unlike Raven; said so without being rude and disrespectfull.
But BM does offer a low income rate and a scholarship rate. Other private institutions do offer such discounts. What I was saying up there was mostly to point out that Raven really did address the thread topic (and agian we eplayens fell into the drift) but the way Raven did so was/is discourtious therefore negating his(her) say in the matter. But agian I fell for a Troll ploy. But I still say "yeah" the org could offer a vetren/service rate. I myself would not use it, but then agian I dont go to the VA didn't touch my GI Bill $ when I whent to school. I've got my reasons why, but this isn't the place to go into it, but would on a one to one level share it. Hit me up at the MnG.


I agree 100% with what you say here. It would be a nice gesture if BMORG (or any other business) were to offer a perk to Veterans. I would use it. I used my GI Bill to go to school, to buy my first house and I use the VA for health care now. When my private insurance went over $650.00 a month, I thought I'd give them a try. Best decision I could have made--the care at the VA in Los Angeles is excellent.

I also take advantage of my advanced age to take advantage of a senior bus pass for $14.00 (normally $65.00 for youngsters) and every other senior discount I can get! :D :shock:
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:58 pm

I thought anyone who could afford not to, didn't take the buses in LA. Of course, I didn't have comprehensive information, and what I had is way out of date. Is the public transit working?
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby remi » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:09 pm

I'm a half retarded Canadian (half retarded because I smoke too much weed.)... Because I smoke so much weed, I keep I fair portion out of schools and out of the hands of children. This is a war, a real war that I am commited to fighting for the rest of my life. Where the fuck are my loans, hiring points and BM ticket discounts?
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:16 pm

remi wrote:This is a war, a real war...

I'm starting a betting pool on how long it takes for the definition of war to be settled in this thread. $5 will get you in, from 6 am to midnight, it's by the hour. Between midnight and six count as just one hour.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:17 pm

I have a car. But for some things, the bus/train/subway is better. For example--I'm right on the line that goes from my house to the gym. That same bus goes to the sub-way. If I'm going to downtown Los Angeles, there is no better way to get there. And those are only two examples. There are many places that you can't get to by bus, or the bus takes way too long; but whenever possible, I try to use it.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby The Raven » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:27 pm

Enough whining about how great the troops are, I got the point in the beginning but still don't agree with giving a discount or post service benefits.

No one ever answered me, is a US citizen who chose to serve in the french foreign legion a veteran or not? Many who do not believe in fighting the US corporate led wars for oil but do wish to right many overseas injustices do choose to serve in that capacity. Perhaps I have served in say the 3rd REI in Guiana, but chose not to serve in the USA for the above mentioned reasons, would I be a traitor or a vet. The FFL is by many considered tougher to be in than the USMC, but not greater or worse, just tougher trained.

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Elderberry » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:41 pm

The Raven wrote:Enough whining about how great the troops are, I got the point in the beginning but still don't agree with giving a discount or post service benefits.

No one ever answered me, is a US citizen who chose to serve in the french foreign legion a veteran or not? Many who do not believe in fighting the US corporate led wars for oil but do wish to right many overseas injustices do choose to serve in that capacity. Perhaps I have served in say the 3rd REI in Guiana, but chose not to serve in the USA for the above mentioned reasons, would I be a traitor or a vet. The FFL is by many considered tougher to be in than the USMC, but not greater or worse, just tougher trained.

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Well, you'd definitely be a veteran, just not a U.S. Veteran. And regarding whether you were a traitor or not--would depend if the actions taken by say, the 34d REI in Guiana--were against the U.S.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby unjonharley » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:43 pm

The Raven wrote:Enough whining about how great the troops are, I got the point in the beginning but still don't agree with giving a discount or post service benefits. .


Try waiting around all day for your bowl of "what the fuck is this anyway"
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Nipple » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:54 pm

You get something much better for service in the Foreign Legion!

If you serve and see action in the French Foreign Legion, you get the possibility of citizenship, and the ability to own land in France.

On that land... you can have a festival celebrating arts, culture, excess, and whatever you want to celebrate. As the head of this organization, you get to set the pricing however you'd like!

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I'm not sure, The Raven, that there's much merit in debating the deservitude, or the justificationing for or against a discount that doesn't exist, or has been discussed by anyone in an Officialitating capacity.

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby knowmad » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:17 pm

It would make you an ex-mercenary, not a Veteran. Veteran derives from the Latin word, Veritas or True. A Mercenary is an armed implement of commerce, a rent a cop. Just like you. And no the FFL is not on the same level as the U.S.M.C. The Soldier is a citizen who has not proven him self. A merc is a person who is paid. A vet is someone who has provided proof of thier citizenship. A merc is someone who's services have been paid. Now fuck off and read Plato for yourself.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Nipple » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:46 pm

Also, read your passport.

If you join the French Foreign Legion, you may be renouncing your U.S. citizenship!
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby knowmad » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:58 pm

Yup, true that. And they even wrote it in french.
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:48 am

What does the FFL even do these days? Peacekeeping?
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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Eric » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:32 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:What does the FFL even do these days? Peacekeeping?


They sit around waiting for Ann Margaret...

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Re: Military Discount?

Postby Isotopia » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:38 pm

What does the FFL even do these days? Peacekeeping?


They're sort of like the Swiss Guard at the Vatican. Cute guys, snappy dressers and completely useless except when it comes to drawing a paycheck.
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