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Re: indian giving

Postby 18xbrewer » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:07 pm

trilobyte wrote:Don't just take it back, have a conversation. If your friend is that cash-strapped and unprepared, they may not really have their heart in going. On your friend's side, this may be something that they're only doing because it seems like such a big deal to you. Let the friend know that if money's tight and their heart's not really into it, you'd be completely cool with them not going, and let them know that you'd be able to find a good home for the ticket.

If your friend insists that they're into it, then I'd say suck it up and wait for your close friend and be there for them as patiently as you can while they get their shit squared away. Remember, it's their first time - they don't even know.

Good luck!


Best advice ^

I understand that sucks but if he's a good friend maybe you can spot him the money if he's good for it? But it sounds like he might not be seeing as you bought everything :/

Your week might be ruined worrying about a ruined friendship not just ruined if he fails to contribute. Just playing devils advocate :/
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Re: indian giving

Postby delle » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:26 pm

jag8 wrote:I'm going to talk with said friend tonight an put it out there that if he doesn't want to go or would rather save money; he shouldn't feel obligated.



I think this is wise.

....as all the comments here are.... (but of course!)

I also wouldn't expect much, but wouldn't be surprised either for that moment, mid week, when he starts to really get it and the look in his eyes and the timbre in his voice and the movement of his body shifts.... just a wee bit... and you smile at each other, knowing that however well or not you prepared for the week, you're both there and loving it for perhaps completely different reasons, and next year he'll sure as shit be buying his own ticket (and maybe even yours if his tax return is great enough) and you'll be hearing nothing but hexayurts and swampcoolers all fucking spring.

He's your bud. He'll get it.

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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby gyre » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:09 pm

As was said, 'indian giver' is an insult to the "white race", kind of fitting like some stereotypes.


I am offended by the term "N word", invented as a legal device, using it is a tribute to censorship, lawyers and slasher killers.

The term also belittles black people.
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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby gyre » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:11 pm

Where do you find genuine ersatz anyhow?
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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby jag8 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:18 pm

No clue. Just some of the stuff you pick up working for a German company.
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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby billvon » Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:32 pm

jag8 wrote:No clue. Just some of the stuff you pick up working for a German company.


Careful there. The term "ersatz" came about during World War II; "Ersatzbrot" (fake bread) was given to POW's by German prisons, and was generally made of things like potato starch, sawdust etc. Who knows who _that_ term might offend. I recommend "permanence-challenged giver."
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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby Mansoon » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:03 pm

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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby jkisha » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:02 pm

Couldn't find that reference but did find this...
Ersatz is simply a direct borrowing of the German word meaning compensation or replacement. First used in Germany in 1875, to describe reserve troops, it entered English during World War I. It was widely applied in any situation where one wished to describe something, typically a food or drink, as an inferior article instead of the real thing. It became even more popular during World War II, when the phrase "ersatz coffee" made this drink, made in a time of scarcity from virtually anything but actual coffee, sound like some exotic brand-name. Ersatz can also be used figuratively, e.g. ersatz-religion, ersatz culture or ersatz morality - all of which imply an inferior version of whast the speaker or writer sees as "the real thing".


billvon wrote:
jag8 wrote:No clue. Just some of the stuff you pick up working for a German company.


Careful there. The term "ersatz" came about during World War II; "Ersatzbrot" (fake bread) was given to POW's by German prisons, and was generally made of things like potato starch, sawdust etc. Who knows who _that_ term might offend. I recommend "permanence-challenged giver."
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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby swampdog » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:09 pm

Where do you find genuine ersatz anyhow?

Um, I think that was a joke.
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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:11 pm

Mansoon wrote:It was changed to "'ersatzgiver' giving" from "Indian giving. " Though, the Indians were usually pretty good about keeping their word, as far as giving goes. The term "Indian giver" was meant to refer to the white interlopers, who would promise this or that and back out, NOT the natives,a s I understand.

In my childhood, it was definitely "you gave me this and now you took back".
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Re: Indian Gifting

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:12 pm

Bob wrote:Isn't the term Indian Gifting?

My advice -- don't loan him money, he'll likely Welsh on you. And you probably won't get out of town until Wednesday or Thursday.

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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:15 pm

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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby jag8 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:24 pm

I love how eplaya is so pc all the suddon.
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Re: Injun giving

Postby trilobyte » Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:54 pm

Can't say I'm a fan, especially since the offense was primarily theoretical. Where's that 'beating a dead horse' animated gif link when you need it? :roll:
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Re: Injun giving

Postby Savannah » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:13 pm

trilobyte wrote:Can't say I'm a fan, especially since the offense was primarily theoretical. Where's that 'beating a dead horse' animated gif link when you need it? :roll:


It's really, really busy in the Babies at Burning Man thread. :)
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Re: indian giving

Postby kelizabeth » Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:27 pm

Eh, edited because I changed my mind about being in the conversation.
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Re: Injun giving

Postby oneeyeddick » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:46 pm

Who wants to Indian Leg wrestle on Playa ?
We have an obligation to make space for everyone, we have no obligation to make that space pleasant.
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Re: Injun giving

Postby ygmir » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:54 pm

oneeyeddick wrote:Who wants to Indian Leg wrestle on Playa ?



me. will you wear a dress?
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Re: Injun giving

Postby oneeyeddick » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:57 pm

this is balls out war, buddy.
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Re: Injun giving

Postby ygmir » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:18 pm

commando.........
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Re: Injun giving

Postby oneeyeddick » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:50 pm

It feel good to have a leg up on the competition.
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Re: Injun giving

Postby ygmir » Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:41 am

no playing "wood stove".........
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Re: Injun giving

Postby junglesmacks » Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:43 am

Savannah wrote:
trilobyte wrote:Can't say I'm a fan, especially since the offense was primarily theoretical. Where's that 'beating a dead horse' animated gif link when you need it? :roll:


It's really, really busy in the Babies at Burning Man thread. :)



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Re: Injun giving

Postby knowmad » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:48 pm

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Way to excited and busy to be extreeeeeeeeeemly pised at the OP's total lack of social skills
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Re: Indian Gifting

Postby goathead » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:19 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
Bob wrote:Isn't the term Indian Gifting?

My advice -- don't loan him money, he'll likely Welsh on you. And you probably won't get out of town until Wednesday or Thursday.

Nice!


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Re: Indian Gifting

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:45 am

goathead wrote:
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Bob wrote:Isn't the term Indian Gifting?

My advice -- don't loan him money, he'll likely Welsh on you. And you probably won't get out of town until Wednesday or Thursday.

Nice!


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Re: 'ersatzgiver' giving

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:56 am

gyre wrote:As was said, 'indian giver' is an insult to the "white race", kind of fitting like some stereotypes.


I am offended by the term "N word", invented as a legal device, using it is a tribute to censorship, lawyers and slasher killers.

The term also belittles black people.


I had a real live red injun explain the origins of this tradition to me. It's not what you think.
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Re: Injun giving

Postby gyre » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:29 am

What is it?

The trading tradition makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Injun giving

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:12 pm

If my white brain can understand it correctly, when you give something to someone, you're not really surrendering ownership to it. Since all things are greated by the Great Spirit and all things have their own spirits, we can't really own them.

So when we give a gift, we're really giving the energy we took to obtain them.

And when someone shows you bad faith, it's bad to let them hang on to these things that you gave them, since they'll contaminate your own energy with their bad energy.

So, sit peacefully with them by a campfire, solemnly smoke some tobacco, and lift their scalp.

Your tribe may have different traditions.

Ersatzgiver is a freecycler term, BTW.
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Re: Injun giving

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:00 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:Ersatzgiver is a freecycler term, BTW.

Hm. Can you tell me more about usage in that context?
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