starlightbright wrote:burning man is now on their radar full screen. the pro scalpers will be there on day one and we'll be lucky to have a week before all the tickets are gone.
if half of every BM ticket sold goes to scalpers - what will that do to the demographic of the community? ...if half of the people [on] the playa are those who are *willing* and able to afford $800 - $1,000 per ticket - what types of people will these be?
also, what are the downsides to BM issuing only non-transferrable tickets? would that be the solution to scalpers?
where do you get the idea that burning man is on any scalpers radar?
Savannah wrote:It sounds freaky & wrong, so you need to do it.
The CO wrote:I addressed this concern on a couple other threads like this one.
For what you are proposing, scalpers would have to sit on seven and a half million dollars for over 8 months with no gaurentee of profit. Scalpers don't work on the long term investment plan. It is a straw man concern.
jkisha wrote:You better explain "straw man" to the OP.
gyre wrote:Easier to take a run at perimeter, and that can't be done as a surprize.
sneaking in has never been taboo, although i thought it was in my first couple years. it's actually quite accepted.
gyre wrote:I think anyone trying this, will be surprized by how much help perimeter gets from the crowd.
starlightbright wrote:do you really think your average burner will come to the rescue of the gate crew and help tackle gate-runners? think of the liabilities involved...
gyre wrote:I think this is not a good year to sneak in.
gyre wrote:BBadger wrote:I don't want them non-transferable. How else would I be able to get a second ticket for someone else?
Buy it in their name?
motskyroonmatick wrote:A mass breaking of the perimeter would require extensive planning using warfare strategy, extremely high discipline, perfect execution and employing radar and broad spectrum radio frequency jamming. The participants would instantly see it for what it was. WAR! And it it would be ON!!!
BBadger wrote:motskyroonmatick wrote:A mass breaking of the perimeter would require extensive planning using warfare strategy, extremely high discipline, perfect execution and employing radar and broad spectrum radio frequency jamming. The participants would instantly see it for what it was. WAR! And it it would be ON!!!
If they put even half that much effort into getting a ticket in the first place they'd have a ticket. So I have little faith they'd pull it off.
motskyroonmatick wrote:...scarcity of tickets is showing new price points that people would pay to attend and what a bargain it really is to have ticket prices where they are offered by the org.
jkisha wrote:You better explain "straw man" to the OP.
The CO wrote:For what you are proposing, scalpers would have to sit on seven and a half million dollars for over 8 months with no gaurentee of profit. Scalpers don't work on the long term investment plan. It is a straw man concern.
starlightbright wrote:there's a huge segment of the burner population who attend the event because they work at slave-like corporate jobs. their lives are so routine and boring that burning man is their chance each year to temporarily escape that lifestyle. these are the people who have the money and are willing to pay perhaps thousands for a ticket. to them, BM is a bargain at almost any price.
when you work in something like a coffee house and throw fundraisers all year just to afford to bring your small art project out there - $1k for a ticket is a dream-killer.
i'm expecting 2012 tickets to sell out in a week (like coachella), so i'll be buying on day one. if it does sell out in a week, you'll have many fewer non-industrial art projects and services shared by individuals like me. you'll have even more (gasp) people out there whose highest level of participation would basically be operating a megaphone and interacting with the industrial sized art installations, thinking what a great deal that it only cost them $1k to get through the gate.
BBadger wrote:If I were in a corporate slave-job my mind would be on the awesome vacation I'd be taking at the end of August that I was saving up all my vacation time for. I would have my ticket in hand the moment they were available as the very first measure in my plans, because they really would be plans.
So this person would be the same type of person who buys an airline ticket from Australia, rental for an RV, and yet doesn't buy the ticket? Because if I were paying to bring an art project to BM, the absolute very first thing I'd be purchasing is the ticket to get in the door.
Coachella doesn't attract the same type of people;
it doesn't have easy accommodations;
it's not as hard to travel to;
it is only half the size of BM;
and it has mainstream bands people want to see.
BM may sell out again next year, and there will be scalpers. It won't be a problem though, because tickets will be available for a long time.
burning man has mainstream DJs booked though agencies by bmorg.
graidawg wrote:I genuinely hope Bmorg has some kind of plan in place to prevent tickets selling out on day one or even the first week, perhaps selling the tiers in batches. over a period of a month so those who dont get paid on the first day have 3 more occasions to buy, thereby leaving the serious burner the real chance of getting a ticket. Or pre-registration to get a ticket or whatever. I would hate for tickets to go on sale say on a wednesday and sell out (HEY IT MIGHT HAPPEN) before i get paid.
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