Fine Art and the photo policy

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Postby C.f.M. » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:26 am

TomServo wrote:Im gifting disposable cameras, to everyone I meet!


I actually had this thought this weekend.

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Postby Minxy » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:54 am

Oh dear...two Dr. Jets. :shock:


Dr Jet Sinister wrote:
oneeyeddick wrote:
Minxy wrote:I want to take a picture of your dick, OED. :D


No problem!

Come by Terminal City, I am in the Big RED bus, right behind the frontage of the Playawaste Raiders theme camp, come by anytime!

most people there just call me Dr. Jet., I would be easier to find if you just call me that on playa too.


Again? Everyone already knows my dick is bigger than yours.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:06 am

No, seriously Minxy, I am in the Big Red bus, come find me.
We have an obligation to make space for everyone, we have no obligation to make that space pleasant.
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Postby Minxy » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:07 am

How do you fit that giant penis in a bus? :shock:

I've seen the giant penis...I haven't seen the bus. :)
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:16 am

Come by the Big Red Bus and I will show you.
We have an obligation to make space for everyone, we have no obligation to make that space pleasant.
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Postby unjonharley » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:24 am

oneeyeddick wrote:Come by the Big Red Bus and I will show you.


Sure hope you use protection
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Postby Foxfur » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:18 am

I'm still reading page 1 on this thread but couldn't hold back until finished.

Fuck your "art".
Fuck your entitlement.
Fuck your elitism.
Fuck your whole program.
And...
FUCK YOU!

God I hate "professional" artists like you. You seem to think that your framed piece of paper (Mighty Fine Asswiper) elevates you above all other artists not only at the burn but in the default world as well. You presume to show up with your art and create your piece de resistance. You might just end up with shitty photos that are half dust mote and half drunk guys in tutu's.
What happens then? Demand your money back due to your not receiving a value added experience.
Who the fuck pays enough money for one of your 'limited edition' photos? What the fuck does limited even mean these days. I assume from your legalist nitpicking approach that your definition would be something akin to a limit of one copy per customer instead of one of one.
Seriously, you think BM photos are going to finance your artist's lifestyle?

Your expectations of the extension of 'professional artists rights' to you have no basis in reality. Your possesiveness of the 'art' you intend to 'create' really smacks folks as profiteering. We DON'T like that.

Take the damned hints. If you keep getting responses to communicate with the org, fuck, do it. People tell you something won't fly, repeatedly, but you continue to argue as if you are going to convince us that we're wrong, then you've earned all the fuck you's that you can eat. The rest will be rectally inserted. Call it art.

Now I'll go back and finish reading the thread. My next post will be filled with an all new series of limited edition Fuck You's that you, my dear subject, have inspired.

Suck it.

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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:45 am

Foxfur,
Has anyone ever told you you're beautiful when you're angry? CAuse you are.
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Postby Homiesinheaven » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:56 am

Savannah wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:Homie, pearls before swine...save them.


I dunno; I enjoyed it. :lol:

(Homiesinheaven always seems both sane and calm. At least on ePlaya.)


calm? maybe. sane? dunno about that!

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Postby goathead » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:18 am

Love it when the kids play nice.

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Postby Savannah » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:09 am

Homiesinheaven wrote:
Savannah wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:Homie, pearls before swine...save them.


I dunno; I enjoyed it. :lol:

(Homiesinheaven always seems both sane and calm. At least on ePlaya.)


calm? maybe. sane? dunno about that!

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I didn't mean to pigeonhole you. :lol:
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Postby Minxy » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:15 am

See, I ditto what Foxfur said...but I was too wussy to say it. :P Plus I always try to play sorta nice first. Well, mostly always...

I love you Foxfur! :D :D Crap, my stalking list is getting too large. Choices, choices...
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Postby EspressoDude » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:16 pm

MFA...wondered what that was......Mthr Fkn ATTITUDE!!

Just cuz your trust fund mommie bought you a Masterbators degree.

What; couldn't get and hold a job with your attitude, mommie kept you in college...

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:38 pm

Homie, we sure did...at root society...i recognized your eyes thru my onboard retinal scan and said hello..i think it was at the small kitchen/bar dome..
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Postby goathead » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:45 pm

it was probably dusty.
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Postby Dr Jet Sinister » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:30 pm

Minxy wrote:Oh dear...two Dr. Jets. :shock:


There is only one Dr. Jet.

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Postby Minxy » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:33 pm

ROFL :D
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Re: Fine Art and the photo policy

Postby Major Krash » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:59 pm

Photino Bird wrote:Hello (snip) Is there any consideration here for working artists?


Hello Photino Bird

Hmmmm....I don't take camera (I suck at photography, and I tend to break them). I do appreciate a good Burning Man photo though, and our Village has a phenomenal professional photographer that somehow manages to work within the rules (and I have never heard him complain).

"Consideration is the concept of legal value in connection with contracts. It is anything of value promised to another when making a contract. It can take the form of money, physical objects, services, promised actions, abstinence from a future action, and much more. Under the notion of "pre-existing duties," if either the promisor or the promisee already had a legal obligation to render such payment, it cannot be seen as consideration in the legal sense."(Wikipedia)

World English Dictionary
consideration (kənˌsɪdəˈreɪʃən)

— n
1. the act or an instance of considering; deliberation; contemplation
2. take into consideration to bear in mind; consider
3. under consideration being currently discussed or deliberated
4. a fact or circumstance to be taken into account when making a judgment or decision
5. on no consideration for no reason whatsoever; never
6. thoughtfulness for other people; kindness
7. payment for a service; recompense; fee
8. thought resulting from deliberation; opinion
9. law the promise, object, etc, given by one party to persuade another to enter into a contract
10. estimation; esteem
11. in consideration of
a. because of
b. in return for

...it does sound like you plan to make money from the photographs you take, which sounds like a form of commerce, which is kind of a sensitive subject around here.

Oh, and Eplaya is not the Playa, and has nothing to do with how Burning Man is run - this is just a place for E-kooks to hang out and brag about flaming penises and such...most Burners don't even post or read here.

Contact the Mistress of Communications, since she is the only one that can answer your questions with any authority. Best of luck...
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Postby BBadger » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:15 am

So let's consider if we allowed people to commercially exploit BM. I feel that participants in BM are not simply an audience, but actors in the event itself, and any commercial exploitation must negotiate with each and every independent actor in the event for licensing fees, distribution rights, royalties, etc. You don't visit a circus and get off selling videos of the circus right? You have to negotiate with the true content creators (and no, just because you have a copy on your flash media/film doesn't mean the content you recorded is yours). The same thing when you visit a gallery; you can't bring your camera in there and start taking shots, and certainly not to sell them.

Having the event's media right controlled by BMorg centralizes the media rights process, and relinquishes said media rights to them. Sure, it sounds very anti-rights, but just as BMOrg is needed to ensure an event this size doesn't get shut down for permit violations, so does it also maintain copyright and media rights, as well as a centralized organization to defend them. It's much like how Disney actually controls media rights to photos and media taken within its parks. In the case of both BM and Disneyland, the rules are lax for most usage because most people attend the event for the experience, not for commercial exploitation. Still, Disney Corp won't, for example, allow Mickey to be photographed so someone can go and sell photos of Mickey. That is a violation of copyright and the terms of service. You'd need an agreement with Disney or you could be sued for copyright violations.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:00 am

dead on.

+mucho.
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Postby EspressoDude » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:14 am

good summary BBadger!

lets not forget all the set builders, set dressers, makeup artists, hairstylists, etc. Just like the long list of credits at the end of a movie....
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Postby CapSmashy » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:26 am

oneeyeddick wrote:No problem!

Come by Terminal City, I am in the Big RED bus, right behind the frontage of the Playawaste Raiders theme camp, come by anytime!

most people there just call me Dr. Jet., I would be easier to find if you just call me that on playa too.


Ahem...

You may not like the results if I put you in a wig and call you Dr. Jet.
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Postby Foxfur » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:37 am

Minxy wrote:See, I ditto what Foxfur said...but I was too wussy to say it. :P Plus I always try to play sorta nice first. Well, mostly always...

I love you Foxfur! :D :D Crap, my stalking list is getting too large. Choices, choices...

:oops:
I had second thoughts after posting that little love poem. They dissipated rather quickly though.
I, as a rule, am not a hater or profane pontificator but homeslice there really pushed my button with his obstinate refusal to get a clue.
It reminded me of the Phish camp thread where the OP, after being served manageable portions of snark kept insisting how great phish is. It was soapbox activism gone totally awry.
I love hearing other peoples opinions but MFA was on a bit of a jihad.
My only regret is that he abandoned ship midway.
I wonder how he gets by in other forums...

I made your stalker list? You are so sweet. With your permission I'd like to add you to mine. :)
Humbly yours,
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Postby Minxy » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:16 am

Foxfur wrote:I made your stalker list? You are so sweet. With your permission I'd like to add you to mine. :)
Humbly yours,
Ff


Of course. :D I can't wait to meet you. :) I hope you make it to the BDC Meet and Greet on Thursday!
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Postby Foxfur » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:47 am

Minxy wrote:
Foxfur wrote:I made your stalker list? You are so sweet. With your permission I'd like to add you to mine. :)
Humbly yours,
Ff


Of course. :D I can't wait to meet you. :) I hope you make it to the BDC Meet and Greet on Thursday!

That is the one event I will not miss! I could miss the man burning and not shed a tear. To me, the people are THE event.
I look forward to seeing you @ the MnG or sooner :)
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Postby Minxy » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:09 am

Yay! Us Oregonians gotta stick together. :P Even though I'm in CA now...bleh.
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Postby Savannah » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:27 am

. . . Stalking each other could prove to be a sort of city-wide hide n' seek scavenger hunt, with the Meet n' Greet as jolly old Olly Olly Oxen Free.
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Postby Minxy » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:29 pm

Savannah wrote:. . . Stalking each other could prove to be a sort of city-wide hide n' seek scavenger hunt, with the Meet n' Greet as jolly old Olly Olly Oxen Free.


:D :D :D It could! It sounds like I saw something in the Playa Calender when perusing it about a Warrior game where people are going to wear bandannas in their team's colors and run around the city hunting each other with squirt guns.

Sounds fun! :D
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Re: Fine Art and the photo policy

Postby Playa Hater » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:49 pm

I'm with Bob's first comment.
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