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Postby frozenjupiter » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:43 pm

so there was an individual who had 4 gift tickets he was selling for $300 pre event. i was wondering what the burner community feels about this.
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Postby AntiM » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:07 pm

He sucks, but he is within his rights.
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Postby jkisha » Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:54 pm

I thought I heard somewhere that the locals (Indians?) get free or discount tickets that they often sell. I could be wrong on this though.

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Postby Sham » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:02 pm

They should get a severe case of gonorrhea and die a slow and painful death---but it's still within their right to do it!
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Postby Artemis » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:07 pm

jkisha wrote:I thought I heard somewhere that the locals (Indians?) get free or discount tickets that they often sell. I could be wrong on this though.

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I believe that they stopped doing this because people sold them.
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Postby busgypsy » Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:47 pm

Karma will deal his next hand. Wonder what the person who gifted the tickets would have thought about it.
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Postby Minxy » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:16 pm

Artemis wrote:
jkisha wrote:I thought I heard somewhere that the locals (Indians?) get free or discount tickets that they often sell. I could be wrong on this though.

JK


I believe that they stopped doing this because people sold them.


I met several gentlemen who were locals that were gifted free (and low cost for family/friends/guests) tix. So apparently they still do it.

It was kind of funny, actually. I met this older man at the gas station in (Wadsworth I think? Tiny place). He told me he had a free ticket and low cost ones for his friends/family. I then saw him several days later coming through Greeters while I was greeting! Was kinda cool. :)
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Postby mdmf007 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:38 pm

I think selling a gift is distasteful, but legal. In many locations selling a ticket for more than face value is illegal. Face value on a free ticket says "GIFT" on the stub.

Nevada has no scalping laws.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:39 am

Neither does California, except for some local statutes.
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Postby gyre » Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:42 pm

Some of the locals work during the event and rarely get to go.

And some may need the money.
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Postby mdmf007 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:54 pm

gyre wrote:Some of the locals work during the event and rarely get to go.

And some may need the money.


The ticket is meant as an invitation for good will to the locals and to maintain good relations. I say put their name on it at will call, they don't go thats entirely fine, but don't sell a ticket that says "GIFT" at the top.
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Postby Lord Of Ruin » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:26 pm

Aside from locals, tickets issued by the Org to department workers that meet hours criteria also say "GIFT" on them when you receive them.

While it might seem like a gift from the ORG, it's really a loose sort of payment for 40+ hours worked for them....

Just sayin'...

I inquired about this as well and the official Org line is "it's frowned upon to sell them, even if you gift ticket was earned through hard work."
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Postby graidawg » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:48 am

don't i feel stupid i just asked this question on another thread :(
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Postby jerroc » Wed May 18, 2011 10:41 am

IF... you recive a gift ticket and can't go, return the gift ticket to the the person who gave it to you. Or sell it for no more than $150. I will not buy a "gift ticket" from anyone. It was not ment to be my gift.
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Postby graidawg » Wed May 18, 2011 11:37 am

so what if you get gifted a ticket by BORG aftr you have bought a full value ticket?
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed May 18, 2011 11:39 am

"Gift" ticket ettiquete is generally that it's face value is worth the lowest common denominator, which is $160.
(low income/student scholarship/guest of local price)
To sell them for more than that is kinda wrong, but it is a free (enough) country, and others might be willing to pay what the ticket holder wants.
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Postby gyre » Wed May 18, 2011 11:40 am

I'd ask them.
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Postby gyre » Wed May 18, 2011 11:43 am

Unless things have changed, scholarship tickets can't be sold.

You contact the llc if you can't use them, so they can assign them to someone else.
They were much cheaper than other discounted tickets.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed May 18, 2011 11:44 am

I already have, just last year, the response was above in my last post.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed May 18, 2011 11:45 am

Jesus, Gyre, you sure know how to fuck up the flow sometimes.
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Postby AntiM » Wed May 18, 2011 11:46 am

graidawg wrote:so what if you get gifted a ticket by BORG aftr you have bought a full value ticket?


Your full value ticket is yours to do with what you please. Selling it for face value of less is acceptable. Selling the ticket that says gift is not. If you feel good giving away the full price ticket and can afford to do so, then do. If you need the gas money, sell it, there are always buyers for less than gate price tickets. If you can give a price break, do it.

You can also tell the BMORG to keep it as a miracle ticket.
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Postby gyre » Wed May 18, 2011 11:49 am

Sorry about that, Dick.
I didn't see the post until I posted.

Next time I'll respond before I see it.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed May 18, 2011 11:50 am

Give your Miracle ticket to Laughing Forest, [s]he[/s] [s]she[/s] it will appreciate it.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed May 18, 2011 11:52 am

And Gyre, when I say the flow I am speaking in the first person.
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Postby gyre » Wed May 18, 2011 12:04 pm

Wait, what?
First person?
How else?

Now gyre is confused.
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Postby graidawg » Wed May 18, 2011 12:05 pm

AntiM wrote:
graidawg wrote:so what if you get gifted a ticket by BORG aftr you have bought a full value ticket?


Your full value ticket is yours to do with what you please. Selling it for face value of less is acceptable. Selling the ticket that says gift is not. If you feel good giving away the full price ticket and can afford to do so, then do. If you need the gas money, sell it, there are always buyers for less than gate price tickets. If you can give a price break, do it.

You can also tell the BMORG to keep it as a miracle ticket.


well selling my full value ticket is a none starter because its at will call and i already changed the name (to mine)

not that i have a gift ticket or that i would sell it if i did. It would be gifted or something like a miracle tcket.i like the idea of a miracle ticket thats the ultimate gift really.
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Postby Dustdevil » Wed May 18, 2011 6:18 pm

So let's try this scenario:

You are lead on a large funded project. You give four (4) gift tickets to the structural engineer in exchange for his work on the project. At the last minute the engineer and his family are not able to attend so he sells the tickets for full value. He had more than $1200 of his time in the project, but that is another matter.

Who if anyone is at fault?

This actually happened last year.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed May 18, 2011 8:34 pm

You know, those are tough calls, and I'm glad I'm not making them. I'd say, yes on that, Dustdevil.
But I find I do have something in me saying "keep it on the qt." I don't want the idiots who find the board giving themselves permission based on vaguely related scenarios.
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Postby dragonpilot » Sat May 21, 2011 10:52 am

Artemis wrote:
jkisha wrote:I thought I heard somewhere that the locals (Indians?) get free or discount tickets that they often sell. I could be wrong on this though.JK
I believe that they stopped doing this because people sold them.


I met a Paiute last year on the playa who had been gifted a ticket from BMORG...or perhaps paid a discount (can't 'member details as we'd been...drinking). Cool dude...gifted me the most awesome hand-made necklace.
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Postby knowmad » Sat May 21, 2011 5:32 pm

I will answer your question with a question.
Suppose you had a sucker all lined up to buy the ticket and when you met up with them for the transaction they asked if they may see it to verify it's authenticity, you hand it to them, they read "Gift" on it and then rip it in two They then tell you to Fuck off in in those exact words? whaca gona do?
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