camp Southern Ba[p]tist?
Now THERE I draw a line.
Sensei wrote:I believe the good Dr. Pyro has beat you to it with the Barbie Death Camp and Wine Bistro (the nicest concentration camp on the playa). Its all good fun, 'til they start marchin' those poor dolls into the ovens. Oh, the horror...
Camp Democracy in Florida.Eduardo wrote:PD Idea for a theme village - Camps That You Can Have Kittens About. Definitivelly camp Israel and camp Spain, also camp Germany? camp SouthernBabtist? camp China? Campbodia? camp Vatican? any other all-time favourites?
Badger wrote:Engenders? Perhaps. No argument actually. Still, what make you of someone who comes to the board soliciting Camp Land-o-Fags in which the OP is asking for gay/dyke participants to revel, cherish, celebrate their queerness? High tea, drag shows, Barbara Streisand songs...
Soon enough other posters start barging in suggesting that the idea represents X and that Y is the real reason for propsing the idea. One or two people come in suggesting that homos are an affront to Z and therefore don't warrant consideration and that to follow through with the idea is wrong/vile/hateful/etc. The message engenders more passionate exchanges but what becomes apparant after a while is that the majority of disfavoring posts have more to do with a personal bias anchored in perceptions and stereotypes than any anything else.
It's the height of arrogance and bigotry to assign worth and meaning to an idea just because it plays to long-held opinions that lie on the periphery of what one thinks the camp represents without really investigating what's really being suggested.
It seems to me that that is exactly what's been happening here.
SHUT THE FUCK UP!! TAKE IT ELSEWHERE!!
blyslv wrote:SHUT THE FUCK UP!! TAKE IT ELSEWHERE!!
Just for the record I had and have no problem with a "Camp Isreal." I do and will have a problem with denying a group, any group (including Palestinians) their identity.
So instead of yelling obscentites and trying to stifle debate why you you just calm down?
foolsfolly wrote:Hey Everybody,
What do you think of all the Jewish groups--I count three so far?
What do you think of all the Jewish groups--I count three so far:
Badger wrote:What do you think of all the Jewish groups--I count three so far:
I think there are better ways to invest resources and ideas. My take on the idea is definitely a personal one but it seems to me that when someone packs up all the stuff that they wrap themselves in is so far as cultural identity that it suggests either an unwillingness or inability to allow themselves to open up to the possibility of a cultural experience very different from the one they come from. There's nothing wrong with that and Camp Israel is just a single example of this view. There are and will be others. It's sort of like the man/woman who goes on the ocean cruise with a group of their bridge playing friends only to hang out in their cabin for the duration playing bridge. It just seems like a way of saturating themselves in what's familiar in a way that can (possibly) coccoon them from other experiences. I guess for some folks - especially folks coming from the far off lands there's a level of comfort that comes with being in such a group. Perhaps it acts as an anchor to sustain them while their experiences are being challenged. I guess there are two sides to the issue.
I remeber that for a few years there were these guys from Japan who headed to the playa. They were all about doing this wonderful, achingly beautiful demonstration of a Japanese tea ceremony which just blew everyone away that witnessed it. The men doing it were bringing with them a bit of their culture with them and their camp was not one easily approached because they were living - as close as I could tell - in a way that anchored them in their 'Japan-ness'. Maybe being new to this country, the BM event (and not speaking much english) and the culture shock associated with this was their way of coping. Still, I don't remember a mob surrounding their camp and hurling accusations about the crimes committed in Nanking by their fellow countrymen during the last world war.
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