What was the very first Theme Camp?

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What was the very first Theme Camp?

Postby Teo del Fuego » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:04 pm

I had always heard that Christmas Camp in '93 was the first theme camp at Burning Man, but a little light reading on Laughing Squid turned up two possibly earlier camps: 1990's Fancy Camp by Vivian and Louise and 1991's Bolt Action Rifle Club.

Does anyone have any additional info on these early prehistoric days of Burning Man?

Wonder what the oldest theme camp was on the playa this year?
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Postby gyre » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:13 pm

The one I heard of is called 'dress up camp' now.

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Postby moonrise » Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:49 pm

I know a gal who followed BM from the beach to BR Desert...she might know.

Problem is, it might take a while to find her...well worth it though, she has some great stories!

I'll try to find her but it could take months, she truly is "nomadic"
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Postby Bob » Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:12 pm

Ask DVD Burglar, wasn't he the original burner?
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Postby ygmir » Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:14 pm

Bob wrote:Ask DVD Burglar, wasn't he the original burner?


+1 bob..........

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Postby Isotopia » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:53 pm

Christmas Camp in '93


My first year was in 92' and I don't remember anything resembling a theme camp.

Christmas Camp was the first one that caught my eye and i think it was the next year. That and McSatan's Bistro.

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Postby Sham » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:11 pm

Isotopia wrote:
Ask DVD Burglar, wasn't he the original burner?


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Postby Captain Goddammit » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:14 am

Christmas Camp was the first.
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Postby Fire_Moose » Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:25 am

When did rave camp come along?
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Postby Bob » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:30 am

Fire_Moose wrote:When did rave camp come along?


Somebody planted a drum circle, and it sprouted speaker stacks.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:59 am

Bob wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:When did rave camp come along?


Somebody planted a drum circle, and it sprouted speaker stacks.

Too bad Weed-Whacker Camp hadn't been formed yet.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:25 am

Shambala wrote:
Isotopia wrote:
Ask DVD Burglar, wasn't he the original burner?


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Postby Teo del Fuego » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:33 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:Christmas Camp was the first.


Not according to what I read on Laughing Squid's thread which consisted of a bunch of posts by Cacophony members who attended the 1990 Zone Trip No. 4. They were saying that "Fancy Camp" (1990) and Bolt Action Rifle Club (1991) preceded Christmas Camp (1993). Just was curious if any ePlayans date back to that far back and could confirm or deny.

Second question, though, of EXISTING camps, which one is the oldest? Barbie Death Camp? Thunderdome? Disorient?
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Postby Teo del Fuego » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:38 am

I know Badger and Bob were at some of the earliest Burns. Wonder when they first attended BM?
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Postby Bob » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:05 am

Didn't go to Burning Man until '96, though friends had bugged me about it for years.

Re: Cacophony, they were a bit too conformist for my tastes.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:35 am

Everything you read on Laughing Squid is gospel truth.
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Postby Teo del Fuego » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:44 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Everything you read on Laughing Squid is gospel truth.


Sarcasm noted. My source on the early years is Kevin Evans.
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Postby jkisha » Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:39 pm

Here's a link to some pictures and recollections going back as 1993.

http://www.mudskippercafe.com/MemoryLane/1993.aspx

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Postby Dr. Pyro » Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:34 pm

I can say for certain Thunderdome has been around longer than Barbie Death Camp. BDC&WB came into existance in 2000 and Thunderdome was there for sure in 1999.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:19 pm

Teo del Fuego wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Everything you read on Laughing Squid is gospel truth.


Sarcasm noted. My source on the early years is Kevin Evans.

Well, name dropping doesn't work when the audience has no bloody idea whom you're talking about.

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Postby Isotopia » Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:26 pm

I think 92' was my first year.

Pretty sure of it at least. It was the year that the small Cessna flipped on the playa and everyone was running out to make sure that there weren't...casualties.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:21 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Bob wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:When did rave camp come along?


Somebody planted a drum circle, and it sprouted speaker stacks.

Too bad Weed-Whacker Camp hadn't been formed yet.


96 was my first year and i remember rave camp being WAY THE FUCK OUT THERE...like 7 miles or so.


we were cruising in our jeep at about 110 mph and we hit a couple of ruts, i'm pretty sure, funny thing is the truck smelled like patchouli for DAYS afterwards and for some strange reason we found pot leaf fimo beads embedded in the grill.


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Postby Ugly Dougly » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:35 am

Dr. Pyro wrote:I can say for certain Thunderdome has been around longer than Barbie Death Camp. BDC&WB came into existance in 2000 and Thunderdome was there for sure in 1999.


Somebody was doing the Barbie-Que in what? 1998?
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Postby Teo del Fuego » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:39 am

theCryptofishist wrote:name dropping doesn't work when the audience has no bloody idea whom you're talking about.


Crypto, you weren't the target audience for my post, which was directed to people who actually know something about BM's early days. But since you jumped in, Kevin Evans, along with John Law, was the man behind Zone Trip #4 in 1990, which brought the Burning Man to the Black Rock Desert. I'm mildly amazed that after 18,000 posts on this Burning Man list, you don't know who Kevin Evans is.
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Postby mdmf007 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:47 pm

Thunderdome / Death Guild claims to be the oldest continuous theme camp.
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Postby Eric » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:54 pm

Teo del Fuego wrote:Crypto, you weren't the target audience for my post, which was directed to people who actually know something about BM's early days. But since you jumped in, Kevin Evans, along with John Law, was the man behind Zone Trip #4 in 1990, which brought the Burning Man to the Black Rock Desert. I'm mildly amazed that after 18,000 posts on this Burning Man list, you don't know who Kevin Evans is.


Get over the past- I've never heard of him either, and I'm fairly well versed on the event & camp with 18 year Burners. He is a "was", not an "is" with the Event. Great knowledge if you want to play historian, useless knowledge in the real world.

He may have been important with Cacophony, but as the Burning Man aspect took over (quickly) he got lost to the dustbins of history as even John Law is now getting lost for younger Burners. Hell, I bet you could walk up to random Burners on the Esplanade and ask them the names of the Current Active Board Members other than Larry Himself and they probably wouldn't know who they are or what they do (or did). And that's fine- it's the way the world works

We all have knowledge that we think is or should be more common. It's not the fault of another person they don't know it.

Personally I'd like to know why the Compton Cafeteria riots are forgotten outside of SF, but Stonewall, which came later, is remembered. But I don't get pissy at someone I don't know for not having that knowledge.
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Postby Teo del Fuego » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:48 pm

Eric wrote: Great knowledge if you want to play historian, useless knowledge in the real world.


two operative words: "play" and "historian." The thread was for folks who think it's fun to dig into BM's past. On a board that routinely features such useless threads as "My Mind Begins to Hum," Stop posting so much," and "the person below me..." there seems to be little requirement that a thread deal with information useful in the real world.

Yeah, Kevin Evans is a BM has-been and I never suggested that any Burner was remiss for not knowing who he was. I was just expressing surprise that Crypto hadn't heard of him given her prodigious number of posts and length of time here.
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Postby Eric » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:10 pm

Teo del Fuego wrote:Yeah, Kevin Evans is a BM has-been and I never suggested that any Burner was remiss for not knowing who he was. I was just expressing surprise that Crypto hadn't heard of him given her prodigious number of posts and length of time here.


Sorry TdF, the joys of the written word. I (mis)interpreted your response as talking down to her instead of just explaining who he is and why he's relevant to your original question.

I think if it had been answered in a "oh, he's....." manner I would have reacted differently. I love hearing about the early years- as I've said elsewhere on this board the first year I attempted to go was '91 (though it took me until '03 to actually make it), and I know, and camp with, people who've been going since at least '94.
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Postby jkisha » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:38 pm

Teo del Fuego wrote:
Eric wrote: Great knowledge if you want to play historian, useless knowledge in the real world.


two operative words: "play" and "historian." The thread was for folks who think it's fun to dig into BM's past. On a board that routinely features such useless threads as "My Mind Begins to Hum," Stop posting so much," and "the person below me..." there seems to be little requirement that a thread deal with information useful in the real world.

Yeah, Kevin Evans is a BM has-been and I never suggested that any Burner was remiss for not knowing who he was. I was just expressing surprise that Crypto hadn't heard of him given her prodigious number of posts and length of time here.


LOL that is one thread that, no matter how much I try, I just don't understand. At all. :shock:

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Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:55 pm

jkisha wrote:
Teo del Fuego wrote:
Eric wrote: Great knowledge if you want to play historian, useless knowledge in the real world.


two operative words: "play" and "historian." The thread was for folks who think it's fun to dig into BM's past. On a board that routinely features such useless threads as "My Mind Begins to Hum," Stop posting so much," and "the person below me..." there seems to be little requirement that a thread deal with information useful in the real world.

Yeah, Kevin Evans is a BM has-been and I never suggested that any Burner was remiss for not knowing who he was. I was just expressing surprise that Crypto hadn't heard of him given her prodigious number of posts and length of time here.


LOL that is one thread that, no matter how much I try, I just don't understand. At all. :shock:

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