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Postby epic » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:42 am

"You are not allowed to edit your post. You have to edit your post within 60 minutes, after you posted your message."
NO OTHER MESSAGE BOARD DOES THAT. WHY THIS ONE, IT MAKES NO SENSE?!
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Postby AntiM » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:46 am

As I understand it, because of the "stand by your words" ethic. People would post crap, get others riled up, then edit it out to make the other posters look insane. Or something like that.

Moderators can edit, but rarely do so.
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Postby Bounce530 » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:50 am

AntiM wrote:
Moderators can edit, but rarely do so.


24. Moderators can edit, but rarely do so.
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Postby gyre » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:31 pm

It is a big issue with technical threads.

And some things are timely, but don't need to stay up.

It is so rare on other forums, that adding it on one forum I was one lost it almost all the major participants.

Why not just boot anybody abusing edit, or lock their editing ability?
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Postby AntiM » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:07 pm

Bounce530 wrote:
AntiM wrote:
Moderators can edit, but rarely do so.


24. Moderators can edit, but rarely do so.


That was fooling around with Token on my own thread. You won't see it often.
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Postby AntiM » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:09 pm

gyre wrote:It is a big issue with technical threads.

And some things are timely, but don't need to stay up.

It is so rare on other forums, that adding it on one forum I was one lost it almost all the major participants.

Why not just boot anybody abusing edit, or lock their editing ability?


Entirely up to the BMORG, I don't get a say. But would you care to monitor such a thing? I'd quit in a heartbeat.
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Postby gyre » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:28 pm

It's never been an issue elsewhere.

I would think the people here would quickly notice any issues, and could tell you.
We're kind of already here.
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Postby Eric » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:12 pm

I think the edit function's fine like it is.

For some reason the only people usually seem to have problems with it appear to be those who like to make inflammatory posts. (Gyre excepted)

I enjoy a forum where your words are locked in after an hour. Gives you plenty of time to correct typos etc, then..... boom, welcome to responsibility. Learn to live by what you say.
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WTF?

Postby epic » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:38 am

WTF? Eric, Troll, STFU. 100,000 other message boards on the Net take the opposite approach for commonsense reasons, like wanting to add to or correct something previously posted. How about disabling editing in a word processor so you are forced to stand by what you write?! That's a typewriter!
Not allowing editing is either saying that this board bows down to trolls or the majority of its members (like Eric) are trolls.
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Postby hollywallydoodle » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:26 am

whoa there. is everyone who disagrees with you a troll?

you are lookin a little crazy with your unprovoked all-caps STFU.
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Re: WTF?

Postby Eric » Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:51 am

epic wrote:like wanting to add to or correct something previously posted.


You've got 60 minutes to do just that. Personally I read what I write before I post it, so when I edit it's usually for spelling I missed. I also read my post right after they're posted to make sure it's really saying what I want. I've never had to change the tone, but I would have 60 minutes to do so.

If I need to add something after 60 minutes, I put up another post.

Not brain surgery.

epic wrote:so you are forced to stand by what you write


and that's why I had to un-plonk you to see what you had written. If you're not willing to stand by what you write, don't write it.
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Postby gyre » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:01 am

I have other things going on, so I still miss minor errors in sixty minutes and even can't finish all corrections with a technical post sometimes.

But the more important issue is correcting technical errors or things that have changed, including time and location about some things.
You actually can't assume that anything is someone's post, only the post they were stuck with.
It means you can't be sure what someone wished to post, unless you read an entire thread, or even other threads.

This must be extremely frustrating for those with limited internet time.
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Postby ygmir » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:14 am

I'm backin eric.......

Gyre, epic:
if you can't proof what you write, even if it's several times,
and post something you need to correct,
what is stopping you from posting again and correcting a previous mis-statement or addendum, or change due to circumstances?

I totally like "standing beside what you say".

I've been called on past statements, I forgot I had made, and, by gum, I had to eat my words.
And, I see no problem with that.

I've also "redacted" (within the allowed hour) snarky or possible incorrect, hurtful statements, made in the "heat of the moment", upon proofreading, or thinking about it.

I could totally see folks abusing the "infinite edit" ability, and, they'd be the ones, usually, that are piss heads anyway.

MHO:
post a correction, apology, mea culpa, update, whatever.......seems more "human", like a "real" conversation, where, once said, it's out there......deal with it.
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Postby gyre » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:23 am

I get the idea, but it isn't really a conversation is it?

Conversations don't stay in print.

A forum really isn't like anything else.


Even I get exhausted trying to find a specific technical fact, and then I have to read another forty pages to see if it was correct?
That's unnecessary and silly.
And it must be completely ridiculous to new people.

I know I didn't even try to look through these boards when I had limited internet access, which I would remind you is still the case for most people.
I hate the idea of someone acting on information I posted, that I was unable to correct.
That happened again recently.
Will everyone see the correction, pages later?

Life is hard enough.
Why not use the tools we have to make it easier?
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Postby ygmir » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:50 am

gyre wrote:I get the idea, but it isn't really a conversation is it?

Conversations don't stay in print.

A forum really isn't like anything else.


Even I get exhausted trying to find a specific technical fact, and then I have to read another forty pages to see if it was correct?
That's unnecessary and silly.
And it must be completely ridiculous to new people.

I know I didn't even try to look through these boards when I had limited internet access, which I would remind you is still the case for most people.
I hate the idea of someone acting on information I posted, that I was unable to correct.
That happened again recently.
Will everyone see the correction, pages later?

Life is hard enough.
Why not use the tools we have to make it easier?


one might submit, a person would confirm information correct, if posting, especially if technical, before making said post?

just a thought.

well,
I think, quite often, it is a "conversation" here......and, what's wrong with it staying in print?
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Postby gyre » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:57 am

You try to get it right, of course, but sometimes your source is just wrong, or you interpret it wrongly.
Some facts change, like the best choice for certain things.

The most frustrating is putting together material from diverse sources, that is not useful in the original form.
I'm a tbi survivor.
Sometimes I just make mistakes.

It doesn't help other people if I can't correct them.
There is always the potential for disastrous consequences with some subjects, if the reader isn't experienced enough to spot risk.
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Postby ygmir » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:02 am

all true, and, probably some of the source of:

"don't believe everything you read on the internet"

A prudent person will always confirm, if it's critical information.
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Postby Bin Noddin » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:24 am

As a workaround, you could use the "quote" feature to re-post the original and show how you changed or corrected or added to it.
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Postby gyre » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:37 am

I've done that, but it's not an ideal approach, especially on long threads.
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Postby Kinetik V » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:45 am

Time to crank up the time machine for a quick trip back into eplaya history....

Once upon a time the eplaya had wide open rules. It really was like the wild wild West in here. Did you get into an argument with someone and lose? You could change your post and make that person look like a fool. Did you feel like someone pissed in your sandbox so you wanted to take your virtual toys and go home? You could go in and delete every single post you ever wrote so that all that was left was your name and a big old empty box. When you did this it left huge gaps in the threads and people HATED IT.

Finally when the sock wars and all the crap got to the boiling point the majority of board users were asked about and approved making some changes to the board. The change to the Editing features was a critical part of it. Plonk is another feature that started getting discussed at the same time...The key thing to remember here is these changes weren't made by one power hungry moderator trying to force their mindset on everyone....the changes were discussed, discussed some more, rehashed even more and finally put to a vote where the MAJORITY OF USERS active at the time said this is what we want, make it happen...and the mods went to work and voila...we had a more civilized board...or at least the start of one.

Fast forward to today. The 1 hour window to make edits is a pain in the arse, but it prevents much of the chaos that plagued this board for years. (And in the interest of disclosure when I was having my issues I caused a lot of trouble myself). Once the 1 hour window closes you own it. Every fuckup. Every bit of good advice. Whatever it is, it is, and you're stuck with it. Again...sometimes that sucks but to go back to the alternative...oh hell no!
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Postby AntiM » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:15 pm

ygmir wrote:all true, and, probably some of the source of:

"don't believe everything you read on the internet"

A prudent person will always confirm, if it's critical information.


Amen to that.
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Postby gyre » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:08 pm

ygmir wrote:all true, and, probably some of the source of:

"don't believe everything you read on the internet"

A prudent person will always confirm, if it's critical information.

Some people are such novices to tech areas that they may not know what is critical.

People like us may take for granted certain basic precautions with heavy equipment and voltage, but no one is born knowing these things.
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Postby emily sparkle » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:24 pm

Kinetic V wrote:(And in the interest of disclosure when I was having my issues I caused a lot of trouble myself).


amen to THAT! :wink:
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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:28 pm

Somehow I managed to sleep through the whole damn thing.

I can be so weirdly out of touch sometimes...
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Postby Bounce530 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:28 pm

AntiM wrote:
Bounce530 wrote:
AntiM wrote:
Moderators can edit, but rarely do so.


24. Moderators can edit, but rarely do so.


That was fooling around with Token on my own thread. You won't see it often.


See, cause then I could've edited my poor attempt at a joke, but now I can't and have to live with it... :)
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Postby gyre » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:04 pm

So, that would be a vote for?
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Postby Bounce530 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:26 pm

A vote for me to stop trying to be humorous, apparently.
Really though, I think it should stay the way it is. status quo, yo!
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Postby Kinetik V » Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:45 pm

emily sparkle wrote:
Kinetic V wrote:(And in the interest of disclosure when I was having my issues I caused a lot of trouble myself).


amen to THAT! :wink:


Since this thread has some visibility...I acknowledge again that I really was an ass on here in the past. I had many issues and challenges that got splashed all over the board. And I made a lot of people very miserable as a result.

I can't change the past. I can apologize for the screwups and try and move on. Change is a bitch. I try, I slip, I try again. But I keep at it. There's going to be some people I will never get along with...but quite a few have noticed things have changed and I've been able to rebuild friendships. I hope that continues.

I will shut up with the personal stuff now. Moving on.....
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Postby hallie8383 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:23 pm

I agree that there's no need to edit
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