Water… how do I transport it all

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Water… how do I transport it all

Postby scorpio69md » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:10 am

OK it’s the New guy here again wondering how he is going to get 40 gallons (give or take a few gallons) of water, enough for 4 people for the week in his car. Do I do 40 x 1 Gallon bottles, maybe 20 of 2 gallon, but where do I put it all ? is the expandable 5-gallon jugs any good ? help give me some advice… ? Please
Or should I just plan to make a shopping trip halve way through the week ?
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Postby Token » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:20 am

Depends on what you are driving out there.

16 of the regular 2.5 gallon suitcases from any grocery is 40 gallons.

If your going with 4 people in a Honda Civic, well, you are DOOMED!
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Postby Boijoy » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:20 am

I understand there will be water availiable to buy in Gerlach. .50 per gallon? I think it's a "fill" station, so you can bring the expandable jugs & fill them there. Not sure if it's "drinking" water though. ????
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Postby Token » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:22 am

Yep, same water everyone drinks in Gerlach. 100% radiation free!

Bring a Geiger counter just in case.
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Postby Homiesinheaven » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:26 am

i take empty 5 gallon arrowhead jugs and fill them up in Reno to save a lil gas money since each gallon is about 8 pounds. freeze 1 gallon jugs and put them in your cooler to keep things cold then when they melt you have ice water. :)
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you can always collect water in a rain barrel.

Postby jpstiffin » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:35 am

You might want to up your water. I always take 20 gallons just for me. I usually have some left over. But it really feels good at the end of hot sticky day to throw a whole gallon in a bucket and take a sponge bath. I like the individual 1 gallong jusgs because you can put one on your roof in the morning and come back in the afternoon to some warm water to wash in.
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Postby phil » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:45 am

> enough for 4 people for the week in his car.

What are you driving and how many passengers?

Be careful because 40 gallons is going to weigh over 330 lbs, plus the weight of the containers. Some people bring a 55 gallon drum in their truck. You would need a way to get the water out - a pump, for example - because that weighs over 450 lbs in one container. That's a lot of weight in your car, and it's going to make driving hazardous because you'll be top heavy. Please drive carefully with that load.

On a practical level, I'm old and beat up, so picking up and carrying 10 gallons of water is more effort than I care to make. I prefer 5-gallon and 2.5-gallon containers because they're easier to load, off load, and move around under my shade. But Louise and I have a cargo van, so we have room for that stuff. (I also find it easier to put those 2.5-gallon suitcases of water in and around stuff so the water takes up otherwise unoccupied space big stuff won't fit in.)
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Postby scorpio69md » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:05 am

Well I am lucky I am driving a small pick up so I have some extra space, but even taking the 5 gallon jugs I need to have space for like 8 of those and they take space. And yea not even though on the weight of those. So I would be better off bringing like 4 of the 8 gallon jugs and a few 2.5 gallons. Then make a trip to Gerlach during the week and fill them up again. Would that work ?
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Postby robrob » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:46 am

i dont think you can drive out to get crap once you're parked.

you can take a bus to town for $10, but bussing out to fill up water jugs seems like the shittiest idea ever.
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Postby Token » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:48 am

And this is exactly why water sales in Gerlach will suck.

Sure, you can do it that way.

You get to drive an hour on the lake bed raising a shitton of dust (~ 6 miles), pay $20 at the gate for reentry, get your water, then back to BRC and another hour at 5mph, again adding to the dust ...

Just do what hundreds of thousands of people have done over the decades and bring in all the water you need. It's not that difficult.
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Postby scorpio69md » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:00 am

Ok you all convinced me, Just make space for the 40 or more Gallons of water one way or the other and enjoy the week. There I gone planning way too much again.
I also found this on the Eplaye, viewtopic.php?t=34574 guess I should have search before I ask the question
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Postby portaplaya » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:04 am

phil wrote:> Be careful because 40 gallons is going to weigh over 330 lbs, plus the weight of the containers.


I'm not sure of your math there, Phil. A pint of water is, by definition, one pound. Eight pints to a gallon. Eight times forty is 320lbs.

But, yes, water for a week in the desert is quite heavy. The BM Survival guide is recommending 1.5 gallons per person, per day. 40 gallons is only about 6 days (plus a little for padding) for four people.

If the weight is too much, the volume is too great to transport or the person making the trip feels they need more water, take a trip to Gerlach mid-event and refill your cannisters. I recommend buying 5 gallon containers at a sporting goods store. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=5+gallon+water+container&aq=f&aqi=g1g-c1g3g-m5&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=.

Also, do not transport this much water on the roof of your vehicle! Unless you like risking a roll-over on the twisting roads that lead to BM.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:11 am

portaplaya wrote:A pint of water is, by definition, one pound.


It's the definition for neither. A liter of water (approx one quart) weighs one kilo (approx two pounds). The rest I leave as an exercise. ;)
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Postby phil » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:45 am

> I'm not sure of your math there, Phil. A pint of water is, by definition,
> one pound.

My math is _always_ shaky, so I'm always happy to be corrected.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does ... ater_weigh
says a gallon of water weighs 8.35 lb. 40 x 8.35 = 334 according to my calculator. If I got it wrong, my apologies.
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Postby rheos » Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:31 pm

or 1 litre = 1 kg

ahh metric

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Postby trystanthegypsy » Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:42 pm

It's usually best to carry water in a sealed container.
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Postby FIGJAM » Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:48 pm

I thought the saying was "A pints a pound the world around."
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Postby Sham » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:18 pm

I'm going to suggest this for an amount of water needed per day. If I am off base, someone experienced please step in.

I would suggest 1.5 gallons of water/day/person and have this in 2.5 gallon containers with spigots on them. Then, add a case of 36 water bottles for all 4 people to share and refill from the larger containers. This will limit your water a bit, and showers would have to be limited, but this seems to work out with the amount of water needed. There are 2- 2.5 gallon jugs per case, so 8 cases would work.

As I type this and look at the math, it comes out exactly the same as above, only I added the case of small bottles.

If you feel you can cut back on this amount of water, then work from here. I hope my blitherings help you.
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Postby teardropper » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:48 pm

You can always get a bucket and chase the watering trucks. Get naked and take a shower while you're at it. Save some there.
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Postby rheos » Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:36 pm

you can get by on 10 gallons pretty easily i'd say.

if you plan on taking lots of showers bring 15.

i bring 2 5 gallon jugs for myself and i'm fine.
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Postby Sic Pup » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:00 pm

If I'm not mistaken the water filling station in Gerlach doesn't open until noon something to be aware of if you don't want to wait for someone on call to show up.

I changed my plans to pick up 2.5 gal containers on the way, which means I now have 3 of the collapsible 5 gal jugs just taking up space.

Oh and my getting lit up via fluid ingestion will have to be confined to vodka and tequilla istead of Gerlach heavy water.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:39 am

FIGJAM wrote:I thought the saying was "A pints a pound the world around."


Oh. It rhymes. I stand corrected. ;)

kg 2.204623 lb
1 ltr = 2.11376 pts
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