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Burn Barrel question...

Postby TomServo » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:07 am

Have used burn barrels at the ranch, and my former camp. Been looking online, but can't find the answer to my question....should the barrels be stripped of any paint, before use? Worried about paint chips mooping the playa. Don't mind the extra work, just curious if its necessary.
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Postby ygmir » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:02 am

or, burn it a time or two, at home, to remove the paint, maybe on a driveway or some thing, so, you can recover the ash?
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Postby TomServo » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:44 am

Cool, thanx!
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Postby Sail Man » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:21 am

ygmir wrote:or, burn it a time or two, at home, to remove the paint, maybe on a driveway or some thing, so, you can recover the ash?


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Postby CLARKcon » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:03 pm

I was thinkin' about having a small burn barrel as well (possibly fabricated w/ arc design slots cut out near top). This is probably a 'no brainer' question, but does the barrel need to be raised (pedistal/tri-pod footing stand?) to keep it off the playa to prevent a heat scar :?
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:44 pm

Nah, if you scar the playa you can just brush some loose playa dirt over the area and pack it down with some greywater!
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Postby dragonfly Jafe » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:49 pm

..if you do scar the Playa, slosh a goodly amount of PBR over the stain. This won't do a thing for repairing the scar, but later, when everyone normal leaves and it is just that scar covered with PBR and the DPW clean-up crew, some desperate lackey will gladly lick it all up, stain and all, since it will be the closest thing to alcohol that is left in that region for months.

That's why it is not a good idea to leave your un-used alcohol at the DPW pile on the way out - the Playa will ultimately suffer for it.
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Postby epic_elite » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:40 pm

how much heat do you need to scar playa?

ive been to beach bon fires and burned what amounted to half trees.

in the morning the sand was pink...

kick brown sand over pink sand. no more scar.
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Postby motskyroonmatick » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:00 pm

Elevate that burn barrel 6 or 8 inches off the ground with some legs and it should be good to go. Better yet... Weld those legs on to the barrel and make the feet so you can stake down each leg to hold the whole thing to the ground when the wind comes up. That way the load of ash does not get spilled everywhere when it tips over.
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Postby epic_elite » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:41 pm

im with that guy ^^^
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:19 am

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Postby illy dilly » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:16 pm

I had an idea, that's real simple so I'm sure some one has tried it.
Take a any regular sorta 55 gallon drum, about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up weld some sort of a grill inside. Then burn on top of the grill, and the ash will fall to the bottom, so it will already be contained for taking home. I don't think you could burn 24/7 like this, not even all night most nights. But for a some burning I think it might work.
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Postby ygmir » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:41 pm

short answer:
it'd work.
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Postby TomServo » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:43 pm

illy dilly wrote:I had an idea, that's real simple so I'm sure some one has tried it.
Take a any regular sorta 55 gallon drum, about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up weld some sort of a grill inside. Then burn on top of the grill, and the ash will fall to the bottom, so it will already be contained for taking home. I don't think you could burn 24/7 like this, not even all night most nights. But for a some burning I think it might work.
Whats everyone's thoughts?


I've thought about doing something like that. Since the sides will be cut into whatever pattern I decide on...just dumping won't. Be an option...so I'm gutting a trap door, on the lower side ot the barrel, to clean the ash out.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:42 am

epic_elite wrote:how much heat do you need to scar playa?

ive been to beach bon fires and burned what amounted to half trees.

in the morning the sand was pink...

kick brown sand over pink sand. no more scar.


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Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:26 am

The ocean has a way of cleaning beaches to some degree that is not possible in the desert.
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Postby Kinetik V » Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:50 am

Burn barrel / trash incinerator info from the Alaska Division of Wildlife.

http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cf ... cinerators

Here in rural Nebraska we still use burn barrels and I was looking for a way to make one that's a lot less harsh on the environment along with one that cuts down on emissions. The electric burn barrels that the above link lists in their reference section is the way we're going to go. But they cover burn barrel basics which is why I posted the link. They offer some tips that would make an on-playa barrel work a heck of a lot better.
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Postby Sail Man » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:26 pm

TomServo wrote:
illy dilly wrote:I had an idea, that's real simple so I'm sure some one has tried it.
Take a any regular sorta 55 gallon drum, about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up weld some sort of a grill inside. Then burn on top of the grill, and the ash will fall to the bottom, so it will already be contained for taking home. I don't think you could burn 24/7 like this, not even all night most nights. But for a some burning I think it might work.
Whats everyone's thoughts?


I've thought about doing something like that. Since the sides will be cut into whatever pattern I decide on...just dumping won't. Be an option...so I'm gutting a trap door, on the lower side ot the barrel, to clean the ash out.


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Postby TomServo » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:36 pm

Sail Man wrote:
TomServo wrote:
illy dilly wrote:I had an idea, that's real simple so I'm sure some one has tried it.
Take a any regular sorta 55 gallon drum, about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up weld some sort of a grill inside. Then burn on top of the grill, and the ash will fall to the bottom, so it will already be contained for taking home. I don't think you could burn 24/7 like this, not even all night most nights. But for a some burning I think it might work.
Whats everyone's thoughts?


I've thought about doing something like that. Since the sides will be cut into whatever pattern I decide on...just dumping won't. Be an option...so I'm gutting a trap door, on the lower side ot the barrel, to clean the ash out.


Ahh, yes, an Ash Hole :lol:


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Postby gyre » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:54 pm

They make paints that will withstand these temperatures.
Most come in liquid only and the best rustoleum requires 450+ to cure.
A really difficult issue is parts that may be hot, but not over 450.
X-60 Primer and 50% HD Aluminum will take 350, but cure at normal temps.
An even better coating may be the header ceramic coatings.
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Postby ygmir » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:57 pm

gyre wrote:They make paints that will withstand these temperatures.
Most come in liquid only and the best rustoleum requires 450+ to cure.
A really difficult issue is parts that may be hot, but not over 450.
X-60 Primer and 50% HD Aluminum will take 350, but cure at normal temps.
An even better coating may be the header ceramic coatings.


*scratching head*

is there other than liquid paint?..............
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Postby capjbadger » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:00 pm

ygmir wrote:
gyre wrote:They make paints that will withstand these temperatures.
Most come in liquid only and the best rustoleum requires 450+ to cure.
A really difficult issue is parts that may be hot, but not over 450.
X-60 Primer and 50% HD Aluminum will take 350, but cure at normal temps.
An even better coating may be the header ceramic coatings.


*scratching head*

is there other than liquid paint?..............

Powder paint applied by electrostatic charge. ;)

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Postby ygmir » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:02 pm

capjbadger wrote:
ygmir wrote:
gyre wrote:They make paints that will withstand these temperatures.
Most come in liquid only and the best rustoleum requires 450+ to cure.
A really difficult issue is parts that may be hot, but not over 450.
X-60 Primer and 50% HD Aluminum will take 350, but cure at normal temps.
An even better coating may be the header ceramic coatings.


*scratching head*

is there other than liquid paint?..............

Powder paint applied by electrostatic charge. ;)

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yeah, but, is that "paint"?......or, is it "coating".......
I was more thinking of stuff us laymen use.....
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Postby gyre » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:15 pm

Most people have only seen aerosol high temp paint.
Most aerosol header paint is crap.
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Postby ygmir » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:49 am

oh, did you mean aerosol vs non aerosol?

I thought you meant liquid vs "not".

Since, aerosol paint is still liquid, just sprayed.


Sorry, I guess I didn't understand.


Who paints burn barrels?.......
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:10 pm

Let's go shopping!

http://www.rustoleum.com/
HIGH HEAT ULTRA is a superior rust-preventive enamel that provides deep color, rich sheen and the best protection for high heat surfaces. This durable semi-gloss finish gives metal surfaces a premium look along with excellent gloss and color retention after repeated heating. It withstands temperatures of up to 1200 degrees (648C). Ideal for barbeque grills, wood stoves, radiators, firepits, burn barrels, fireplace screens, automotive parts and more.

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Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:11 pm

How do you cut up a 55-gal barrel without a welding rig?
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Postby Fire_Moose » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:14 pm

use a can opener.



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Postby motskyroonmatick » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:54 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:How do you cut up a 55-gal barrel without a welding rig?


Grinder with a cutting wheel on it.
Plasma cutter is best.
Cutting torch works very well and seems to not leave sharp edges.

For all those contemplating burn barrels I suggest getting a food grade barrel with a removable top. That way you are virtually assured the contents residue is not extremely flammable and you can open one end to inspect/preclean the barrel if necessary. The top could also come in handy to make a heat shield to protect the ground or on off playa conditions to protect the contents of a burn barrel from rain.
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Postby ygmir » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:13 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:How do you cut up a 55-gal barrel without a welding rig?


although, I have a plasma torch, and regular torch, you can use a sawzall or jig saw with metal cutting blades, as well.
I've found barrels chew up cutting wheels......
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