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Camp Hedon From the Planet of Wanton

Postby RandomFuture » Wed May 19, 2004 3:12 pm

Ok, several of us want to create a camp at 2004 Burning with the following attributes AND WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK!
1) We want a camp where hetero sex takes place freely and openly; call it a through back to the Roman's worshipping the heavenly love god (remember our theme here)
2) We have about 25 women and 10 men committed to the project to be available on a round the clock basis to indulge your evey passion, should someone not find the right chemistry in the compound.
3) There are no monies invovled here, no charges, just a bunch of people having sex
4) The camp would be hauled in by the trailers and a portable building would be erected by the building crew we have contracted with.
5) As we believe in cleanliness and environmentalism...We are going to make it mandatory that no one enters without a shower, provided by us. We have gotten ahold of some lockers, where you can use one of those keys to put your stuff.
6) Water will be provided by water trucks we plan on having come in on a regular basis.
7) No clothing will be allowed inside the compound.
8) We have contacted some security companies to provide security and safety for all.
9) Condoms are requred
10) No kids, not even close. The camp will be ringed with a temp fencing, and the interior of the camp will be ringed with tents etc, so that there is no way anyone can look in without passing security.

Again this is free, provided by the several of us etc.....

Call us a bunch of crazied guys and gals that want to party, have random sex and just de-stress from the high pressure we live in day to day.

So the questions are? Is this appropriate for Burning Man? Our clean up crew would be contracted and therefore nothing will be left, not even a trace....again we are all green.
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Postby dragonfly Jafe » Wed May 19, 2004 3:44 pm

Consenting adults and all that...but how are you going to limit the masses? 25 women servicing ~20,000 guys? 10 men servicing ~10,000 women? How will the selection process work? Will the needy chose the servicers? Or will the servicers chose the needy? How will you get people to leave so others may enjoy? If you keep it's location secret, how will the needy find it? If the location is widely known, this sounds like it could get out of hand.

Maybe it should be a trade camp - once you enter and get serviced, you must stay and service someone else. That might cut down on the "fatigue" factor and allow for a change of scenery now and then.

Hope your camp makes it as planned to the Playa...

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Thanks, Brought up some interesting issues

Postby RandomFuture » Wed May 19, 2004 4:22 pm

1) We will consider a trade camp--great idea....we will consider this.
2) We may need to limit the number of participants to 500 or so at one time. I believe we have suffiicent space, beds and bouncing air mattresses for that many people, plus water etc.
3) Another person suggested limiting times to dusk til dawn, but we would like it to be open and free--anytime, so we are debating this.
4) Security will be on our camp site and in good numbers, so I believe saftey for the paticipants would be fine.

We want it to be uninhibited but with the right to say no, especially for the women. So we need to think about a dance card or something like that, where people can sign up to mingle with the person of their choice....no dance card no mingle.......more thought is going to be put into this. I will wait for further suggestions.

As far as planning, we have got it mostly done, just waiting on the detials before submittal. Is there anyway we can get out there a couple of weeks before to set up?
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Postby stuart » Wed May 19, 2004 4:55 pm

I would say if you plan on 'contracting' your clean up, construction, and security, go find somewhere else to do it.
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Postby Markov Chaney » Wed May 19, 2004 6:56 pm

On the other hand, I'm sure you'd find no shortage of men willing to help.
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Postby Bob A » Wed May 19, 2004 8:21 pm

I've got to agree with Stuart. Bringing a paid crew in to build a building. Having paid security, and paying someone to break it down and take it out does not sound much in the spirit of burning man.
A polished finished building sounds like it would be out of place too.

Sounds more like someone is trying to sneak a whorehouse on to the premises. Once you’re in the room with your partner maybe there will be some talk of tips for further services. My apologies if I’m off base with this part.

That said I've got no problem with sex or the idea of Roman orgies, but please don't pay people to do all your work, get volunteers and do it your self. Having a whole class of people working there, security building crews etc is against what burning man is. Its bad enough the BRC has to pay police fire, emergency, and jots people. Not that the people don't deserve the money but here are all of us working for free and partying and there are other people just working their 9 to 5 jobs, as it were.

Also the LLC. is going to make you buy tickets for all your Workers and security and I doubt the org and the leo;s will be to happy with a private security force on site.

So do it all yourselves don't just throw tons of money at it and have it done. Leave the world of commerce behind and just bring the sex, we like sex.

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Postby zorro sings » Wed May 19, 2004 9:04 pm

Is This some kind of joke?
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Postby Bob A » Wed May 19, 2004 9:14 pm

zorro sings wrote:Is This some kind of joke?


I had the same thought, but figured I would respond as if they were serious.

After all there are rich weirdoes out there with more money than sense. (Mind you I have nothing against weirdoes some of my best friends are weirdoes)

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Postby rubyredalys » Wed May 19, 2004 9:29 pm

MY favorite part is that it is only HETERO SEX.

yeah because the romans weren't into gay sex at ALL.

can i say this is homophobic in idea at all??


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Postby dragonfly Jafe » Thu May 20, 2004 9:27 am

rubyredalys wrote:MY favorite part is that it is only HETERO SEX.

yeah because the romans weren't into gay sex at ALL.

can i say this is homophobic in idea at all??


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Sure you can! But there are plenty of hetero-phobic camps out there already. What's the problem?

A better question would be, what if 2 males or 2 females start getting it on - what will the camp policy be regarding that? Tolerance, or Intolerance? And why?

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Postby RandomFuture » Thu May 20, 2004 12:10 pm

Wow, such negativity. If I had not been at BM for some time, then I would have thought that some of you were begruding.

However in the spirit of self reliance and self indulgence, with no trace. We have decided to recruit as we can for help in erection of the facilities (no pun intended).

Our primary concern is safety for all. BM has grown up, as much as you would like it to be still an infant, it is not...tiimes they are a changing as the oldie goes. So here is an update of current thought---Oh and to the guy who said we have more money that sense.....bingo! Life rocks, doesn't it?

Update:
1) Big tents (like the golf events have) erected in a hexagon....6 tents. Mattresses are being donated, sound system dontated, etc. In the center will be the refreshment stand at the showers.
2) Generator is a 750KW portable, diesel run ( I know I don't like diesel either, but there is no gas and solar won't handle the load).
3) Everyone is a volunteer here or will be
4) As far as security, there will be some, be assured, but in the background
5) As far as the homo vs hetero....we have decided that anything goes, as long as there are consenting adults.

Now lest you fret about anything, all equipment, supplies, tents, mattress, bouncing mattresses are being donated to charity at the end of it all.

Not only are we green our small group of gals and guys, we believe is civic duty.

Again, thanks for the feedback, keep it coming. We will submit the final to the "head BM" next week for approval.

Our theme has changed to "Heavenly Roman Orgie"

Last thing, we are not limiting the number of participants, except per tent, the tent can only hold about 100 each.

Cheers, stay tuned as one of our group is developing a web site where people can sign up to help, build, operatie, pass out water bottles, watch over things and host.

This is 100% a serious venture....bottom line is that we are very accepting people and tolerant of most anything except aggression...Watch close for website posting. If you don't like what we are doing, then don't stop by. If you like what we stand for, "relaxation, sex, environment and philanthropy" we would love to have you.

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Postby Alpha » Thu May 20, 2004 12:31 pm

Since this thread started I've been vacillating between "cool, how open-minded" and "ew." Judgements aside, I have some technical questions.

How are you going to keep the place clean? Presumably participants are willing to get sticky, especially with showers available, but no one wants to hop on a mattress and into someone else's puddle of goo.

How will you store / dispose of the grey water from the showers? Your original post mentioned "planning on having" water trucks -- you'd better make sure that doesn't fall through, and are you also working on private pumping of the grey water?

Since you must limit attendance, how are you going to prevent ending up with a handful of participants and the rest spectators? Even asking folks to get naked is different than requiring participation -- BM has plenty of nudists who would not participate in the activities.

Curiously....
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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu May 20, 2004 12:42 pm

Bob A wrote:Its bad enough the BRC has to pay police fire, emergency, and jots people. Not that the people don't deserve the money but here are all of us working for free and partying and there are other people just working their 9 to 5 jobs, as it were.
It is call Black Rock City Volenteer Fire Department for a reason. They are volenteers. As is most of the medical staff--abulance drivers and the people in the REMSA tent in center camp being the exception. You may not like it, but when it comes to life and death issues having a degree of professionalism and responcibility and accountablity is probably for the best--including the longevity of the event. Think of Emergency Services and sort of a Semi-Professional buffer that lets the rest of BM be "freer." (I'm not sure, but I think that the EMS volenteers last year did more minimum hours then volenteers in other departements.)


I don't have a problem with JotS either, the consequences of raw sewage being so potentially nasty.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu May 20, 2004 12:44 pm

In addition to what Alpha says, what is your experience in throwing these sorts of parties. There's a whole lot of details to think through.
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Postby Dork » Thu May 20, 2004 12:53 pm

You say you've been to BM before.. are you the guys who had the place with the pink fur on it a couple of years back? What you're doing seems similar, only bigger and pre-stocked with participants.

It sounds pretty closed off.. security fences, guards, required shower. How are you going to convince people that it's a good idea to go through all of this? What about leaving the main bar area open to all, right off the road so people can pop in and out easily and see if there's anyone who catches their eye?

I probably wouldn't go in, but I'm sure you won't need more fat guys anyway.
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Postby Bob A » Thu May 20, 2004 2:29 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Bob A wrote:Its bad enough the BRC has to pay police fire, emergency, and jots people. Not that the people don't deserve the money but here are all of us working for free and partying and there are other people just working their 9 to 5 jobs, as it were.
It is call Black Rock City Volenteer Fire Department for a reason. They are volenteers. As is most of the medical staff--abulance drivers and the people in the REMSA tent in center camp being the exception. You may not like it, but when it comes to life and death issues having a degree of professionalism and responcibility and accountablity is probably for the best--including the longevity of the event. Think of Emergency Services and sort of a Semi-Professional buffer that lets the rest of BM be "freer." (I'm not sure, but I think that the EMS volenteers last year did more minimum hours then volenteers in other departements.)


I don't have a problem with JotS either, the consequences of raw sewage being so potentially nasty.



Sorry that was bad wording on my part. I don't have a problem with the paid services the org. has to pay for, I know they are needed / required for the event to happen. And I plan on gifting as many of the volunteer and paid groups as I can get to including the dpw. The point I was making was that I didn’t think we needed camps bringing in their own paid staffs to do all their work, and that I thought that was out of line with the intent of burning man. I mean we all spend enough money to get there we shouldn't pay people to basically wait on us once we are there.

and Randomfuture

Cool, no begrudging from me. I'm spending multiple thousands of dollars plus a lot of time to get all my stuff done and ready too,. So we all have more money than sense to a certain degree.

I'm just glad you are planing on doing it all yourselves now. It seems to be more in the spirit (whatever that means to everyone) and I think you will have a better experience.

Sounds like you got a good camp planned out hope it all works out. I might even come by.

Oh yea I read that this year they are zoning adult orientated camps together starting this year. Not sure if I like this or not. I know it will be good for the kids and the event safety and life. I just hope it doesn't turn out to make adult camps 2nd class citizens in years to come.

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Postby Dr. Pyro » Thu May 20, 2004 3:43 pm

Make sure to extend Barbie Death Camp & Wine Bistro an invitation. Most of us never get laid at Burning Man.

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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu May 20, 2004 3:44 pm

No worries, Bob A. I'm not the official spokes man for ESD, but having worked for them for 2 years, and being engaged to someone in the core group, I try and do them the favor of clarifying when a misunderstanding comes up and alerting them when I see something they need to see.

Your point is well taken.
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Postby technopatra » Thu May 20, 2004 4:54 pm

I also wonder if you've thrown a sex party or camp before. The logistics are many. You might want to partner with someone who has experience.

Upon reading htis thread, here is list of things that it doesn't llok like you've touched upon yet:

1 - Be totally honest about what you are doing on your themecamp questionnaire. You need to be placed away from the kids camps. If you do not come clean on your app, you could very well be asked to move, heck, MADE to move, after you've already set up camp. Nobody wants that.

2 - Define your media policy now, and make sure you have signage that clearly states it. I recommend a blanket no-media policy - no cameras, cell phones, audio or video recording devices of any kind.

If you institute this then you need to have a place for folks to check their goods at the door, which also means you need some kind of reusable ticket/clothespin/marker, and you need your door people to keep and eye on them. And you need a big sign at the door.

If you are going to allow media, then you better make [i]damn[/] sure that every single person walking into your camp is blatantly told that they could be taped.

3 - Security will be a bigger deal than you think. Much bigger. Folks will try to sneak it, even if it's work to crawl over tents & bicycles, You'll need a person at each wall/tent side.

4 - Your camp, by it's het-only nature, will attract the grossest men on the playa. That is a fact, not a judgement. Be prepared to deal with the ensuing hostility.

5 - By hetero-only, are you going to penalize folks if they somehow become more open-minded while in the act? This has been known to happen. Or by "hetero-only" do you mean that it's ok for women to get together, but not men?

btw - I don't think there is anything wrong with a hetero-only camp, but you need to think it through.

6 - Hiring staff to produce your camp, while not against any rules, is debately not in the spirit of Burning Man. Prepare yourselves for the inevitable flak you will get.

Better yet, scale back and do it yourselves.

Ok I'm off to start a rant about big money spending in the Nature of Burning Man section.
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Postby technopatra » Thu May 20, 2004 6:15 pm

oops - I rescind #6. It looks like he did state that everyone would be a volunteer. Sorry I missed.
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Postby technopatra » Thu May 20, 2004 6:17 pm

wait again, I reinstutue #6. He says the folks having sex will be volunteers, but is still planning on having the construction crew.
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Postby RandomFuture » Thu May 20, 2004 6:30 pm

Thanks for your support. We have indeed addressed the policies as spoken. The lead person on this was Logistics coordinator for the Iraqi thingy a year ago....she has more experience in doing these things than anyone.

To address concerns: There is a grey water run off, which will be collected and pumped to a truck and taken to be disposed of. Again, money to get the permit for disposal....which was funny to talk to the city or Reno., no problem there.

No press, no cameras, no cells...etc...yes we have obtained the use of mini lockers, from a rebfurished industrial plant....about 600 spaces. We are not openly going to advertise. However, warning signs will be placed appropriately.

We respect the kids, heck we have our own kids....this is not a kids place at all.....again another warning.

Yes we are spending big money, so what good cause, lots for charity etc. ST. Maria (here nickname) owns a bottled water plant in (unknown region) and is bringing 500,000 bottles of water. The trucking company has committed to have 4 trucks round the clock running on a dispatch basis....Hey Sgt. Goofoff is good I told you....and she is really good looking...hahaha...she is going to volunteer for a while as a hostess. Besides logistics.

To answer your question, have we every thrown a sex party? No, but have lots of party experience at our places in the hills and ranches.

Now to security--we agree a definite must.

Lastly, as I said, if it is free and open and consensual, then we are open to anything. We are not prudes, but we do have preferences....in the spirit of freedom, what the heck....Its a modern day Roman party.

Ok, just to let you all know, Sgt Goofoff called and said that barring unforseen circumstances, the volunteer list over at her place of business is over 50 right now. All my employees think I am nuts, but oh well....viva la difference.
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One more thingy

Postby RandomFuture » Thu May 20, 2004 7:17 pm

Not to offend, but to comfort the hater crowd, and to add some further explanation.

6 tents....4 orgy tents, 1 kick back tent, one kitchen tent.

There are going to be a number of semi trucks, sea shipping containers and water trucks around. There is temp piping for sewer, electriical to be strung, water pipes to be erected. The tent suppliers want to erect the tents, the pumps for water are skid mounted. The switch gear is contained inside a shipping container along with the gen-set, so that it will be quieter. The fuel tank, is portable and approved by the EPA and DOE for temporary facilities (again, having a logistics expert who knows the rules etc is great). The lights and electrical needs to be temp burried and some flood lights are going to be erected in the middle of the camp site (not big tall ones, but enough to give some light. The light in the tents needs to be sufficient to see. The kitchen tent will have temp tables and chairs, temp silverware, temp plates etc. The cooking stoves are large enough to feed 500 a meal...and that is all we are going to cook for....oh did I tell you the meals are on us....The LPG for these stoves need to be a certain distance from the stove (again, I love army logistcs personnel who know all this crap). The causual tent is for kicking back and having a brewsky, a cold brewsky. We are renting ice makers to keep things chilled. The food, needs to be refirgeratod on site, which requires a refirgeration semi-trailer. The brewsky truck is of course will be under lock and key. The temporary furniture alone is going to hauled into the camp by one semi-trailer load. Sgt Goofoff is telling me that it will take 2 tailers worth of mattresses to cover the square footage of the 4 hedon tents. Also there is storage for food, tp, lpg, extra stuff, first aid, and spare parts for the gen-set. One of the groups engineers have sized the gen-set, pumps, electrical cable, hooks ups, fuel tanks etc...and these guys are certified PE's in both CA and NV....oh and they are volunteering to hook up the electrial...personlly I don't like big electric things...stems from me putting a screwdriver into a socket when I was 3..

Yeah she knows her stuff...and has done much larger projects than this.

Now we are working on the procedures for meals, sex, brewskies, security...we want to be fair for all those who want to have fun.

Almost lastly, one of our group is designing a body sticker with a timer on it, so that if a person comes in to the camp, he/she can only stay there for 2-4 hours or so and the body sticker turns a color of red. Our thought is that prior to entrance, a person must agree to leave when it turns red....thoughts?? Cool technology I think...way to go Bobbeo...

Bottom line, is that the experience and talent is there to pull this off.
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Postby Tancorix » Thu May 20, 2004 8:51 pm

If this comes to pass, it will be the end of the event I know and love. Huge budgets, teams of people building things, etc...it's the Disneyification of BM.

My initial reaction might piss people off but it's one of total disgust and the sex part has nothing to do with it. What's next, bringing in "Paid" participants?

Once upon a time it was about art, community, and so many other things. Now it's all about the Benjamins.

Would someone call a monument company? We need a tombstone, and they can go ahead and carve the date of death on the stone. Sept 6th, 2004. The last BM. If this project comes to pass it's time to kill the event and start something else.
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Postby Tancorix » Thu May 20, 2004 8:54 pm

And the heterosexual part really pisses me off. Inclusive community? Someone obviously has no idea what BM is about and hasn't done their research! May the karma gods smite you and present you with difficulties at every step of the way.
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Tancroix read futher on the posts

Postby RandomFuture » Thu May 20, 2004 9:03 pm

Tancroix before putting your hater attitudes on our blissful camp, read all the posts by me--you will find that we changed our mind and are now open to whatever.

Boy don't ya just hate it when people judge you before they gather all the facts?? Sounds kinda hypocritical. See the other postings in the Nature of Buring man, under big money, big debate.
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Look on the sunny side...

Postby diode » Thu May 20, 2004 9:03 pm

The event's been dying ever since they burned the first stick figure on a beach. People have been saying the event's dead and buried since before you first attended.

Translation: don't get your knickers in a twist. If people want to fuck in a tent in the desert, who really cares? Look at all the money that goes into creating the whole burn. Maybe they will do the event a service by diverting all the aggro sexual energy of frat boys and yahoos into one place and the whole burn will be mellower as a result.
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Postby diode » Thu May 20, 2004 9:07 pm

RF

I'm looking forward to experiencing blissful sexual union with multiple willing partners throwing themselves at my pulsating sex wand....that is if my wife lets me out of her sight which she won't.

Or, who knows, maybe she'll try to sneak in and i'll have to drag her out of there and have a big Italian style hissy fit.

The possibilities are endless.
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Postby Tancorix » Thu May 20, 2004 9:09 pm

My comments stand, and no retraction will be forthcoming.
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Postby diode » Thu May 20, 2004 9:41 pm

It's cool. I can understand both sides of the discussion. My most problematic trait: empathy.

My second most problematic trait: typing without a clue.
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