drutter wrote:So people have to censor themselves to they don't potentially offend one of the other 50,000 burners?
I dunno, that just doesn't sound right to me.
I got really turned off to the OP when they started a thread under the name of one of our users.
So people have to censor themselves to they don't potentially offend one of the other 50,000 burners?
I dunno, that just doesn't sound right to me.
Okay. I was the first to attack you, and I'm sorry. I will defend AntiM, she's a good friend and good on the boards. But she was not offended or hurt and you and she worked out an understanding. Leaving me knowing that I had been unkind to you. But since the two of you, who seemed to be the only actually or potentially injured parties, were okay with it and the rest of us (in my view) had no real business stirring up shit. Hence my comment to dvd-r. I'm sorry, I seem to be very conveluded tonight. If someone could translate--well it would be good in one way, but in another way I think we've already spent too much time with this crap.magdalen23 wrote:this topic has not been about "two parties," but about an entire issue that many people were apparently interested in. or they were just interested in stirring up a fight.
magdalen23 wrote:.............dvd-r, i will never understand ALL the issues involved in my art, or in art in general... but i do understand that controversial art pisses people off, offends them, or pushes buttons sometimes. sometimes i'm very surprised by who gets pissed off or offended. i was not expecting the "radical self expression" and "radical inclusion" Burner community to want to shut me down, as some here expressed (not AntiM, incidentally), but as you said, i didn't understand all of everything, and i never will.
For my perspective your art is not controversial but very personal. I am not really good at expressing myself, but your experiences with this subject is yours. It is not mine and not someone elses. And the nature of YOUR art subject is not that there will be controversy, but that wounds will be opened.
Remember it isn't just me and a couple others who have suggested you approace this subject differently, But the temple builders didn't like your art also as you first told us. For me this subject would best handled in a careful and thoughtful manner.
Your idea even for an Alter was a little difficult from my point of view. Have you ever been in someones house where they have an Alter to a child that has passed?
Good luck with your project and I hope that as you listen to others you will find the way.
Perhaps doing some study on the subject would be a good idea.
I don't think anyone wants to shut you down, but from hindsite your approach needs some work, don't you think?
didn't you start a thread with the subject a users name that was moved and merged into this thread? I also thought that was a bit much.
magdalen23 wrote:i tried to clarify above: the Temple diplomacy corps eventually told me i could bring whatever i want out to the Temple, just like everybody else can. however, they accidentally forwarded to me an email from the main Temple designer in which he said "I would tell her to fuck off."
dvd-r wrote: But the temple builders didn't like your art also as you first told us.
magdalen23 wrote:I feel like the Temple is this incredible community experience (and the meaning comes from all those people writing things on the Temple and sitting silently in the dust, not from whatever fancy builder gets the honorary assignment this year or next year). And I feel like I got shat in when attempting to be part of it.
SilverOrange wrote:So did it ever cross your mind that this response was directed at you due to the fact that these guys are in crunch time right now. This is a major project which I'm sure is consuming much of, if not all of the peoples involved time, especially the designer. I'm pretty sure the last thing on his mind is having to repeatedly reply to email from someone who "could bring whatever he/she wanted out to the temple just like everybody else can"? Just a thought...
Magdalen, I can't apologize for Dave--he was needlessly rude and you probably have a right to be offended.
it seems pretty clear that he ran out of patience when she started asking about adding the Temple as a notch on her artist's bio.
magdalen23 wrote:it seems pretty clear that he ran out of patience when she started asking about adding the Temple as a notch on her artist's bio.
as far as my artist's bio goes: it is fine, full, and plump. it does not need to mention Burning Man or Temples. your accusation was entirely unfounded.
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