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Postby DVD Burner » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:56 pm

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jkisha wrote:Or maybe his bitch? Either way I don't like her/him/it and I think the feeling is mutual. She's running short on Midol again.


I'm sorry, I can't hear you. Try taking ygmir's dick out of your mouth first, Nancy-boy.


Not even I can come up with insults as good as that. :lol:

And No, from what I understand, she is happy with her own boyfriend at the moment.
She seems to be pretty stable in the head to me.
More than anyone else in this thread so far.
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Postby ygmir » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:05 pm

Barbie wrote:the one DVD likes...


yeah, sure seems unhappy or something............to bad.........
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Postby jkisha » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:05 pm

LisaLuckyOne wrote:
jkisha wrote:Or maybe his bitch? Either way I don't like her/him/it and I think the feeling is mutual. She's running short on Midol again.


I'm sorry, I can't hear you. Try taking ygmir's dick out of your mouth first, Nancy-boy.


LMFAO You are such a cunt and a perfect sock for DVD. I'm blocking you too, so

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Postby ygmir » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:12 pm

LisaLuckyOne wrote:
jkisha wrote:Or maybe his bitch? Either way I don't like her/him/it and I think the feeling is mutual. She's running short on Midol again.


I'm sorry, I can't hear you. Try taking ygmir's dick out of your mouth first, Nancy-boy.


you know, LLO, I really try not to get into name calling and such, in a serious way............

Why would you have problems with JK and I engage in fun, humorous banter?
Does it threaten you in some way?
Are you scared of that sort of humor?
or, is it because you're not included?

I don't understand why you'd make such a derogatory remark.

Now, if you are a sock, I understand there is no way to prove it, so, it matters not if you're accused as such...........and, especially if you're the sock of certain people, it would make sense.........

or, if not a sock, why the bitterness?
seems as often as not, your kind of crabby............

I hope you can reconcile your inner turmoil, and, come and play happy and nice........(assuming non-sock status, that is)..........
or, at least with respect and dignity.........


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Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:14 pm

NASA's Apollo budget amounted to $95 per citizen in 1969 dollars.

That would buy everyone a BIG box of fireworks, but NOBODY would have gotten to the moon.
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Postby DVD Burner » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:15 pm

You guys have no idea how fucking stupid you are.

This is gonna be fun.

You guys dont stand a chance.

Thanks for starting this thread. You guys will be the ass wipes of the century.
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Postby jkisha » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:23 pm

Just heard Sarah Palin hired a high-profile entertainment attorney; there's speculation that he will be negotiating a book deal for her.

I'm going to rush right over to Amazon and see if I can get it pre-ordered!

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Postby jkisha » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:43 pm

Congressman Eric Cantor R-VA I really don't like this man! http://cantor.house.gov/

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Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:29 pm

jkisha wrote:Just heard Sarah Palin hired a high-profile entertainment attorney; there's speculation that he will be negotiating a book deal for her.

I'm going to rush right over to Amazon and see if I can get it pre-ordered!

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Postby jkisha » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:44 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
jkisha wrote:Just heard Sarah Palin hired a high-profile entertainment attorney; there's speculation that he will be negotiating a book deal for her.

I'm going to rush right over to Amazon and see if I can get it pre-ordered!

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She can write? :shock:


No, but her new attorney will be hiring a ghost writer to take care of that. She also doesn't have enough in her life that is noteworthy and can fill more than a page or two, so I suspect they'll be hiring a good fiction novelist too.

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Postby ygmir » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:54 pm

jkisha wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:
jkisha wrote:Just heard Sarah Palin hired a high-profile entertainment attorney; there's speculation that he will be negotiating a book deal for her.

I'm going to rush right over to Amazon and see if I can get it pre-ordered!

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She can write? :shock:


No, but her new attorney will be hiring a ghost writer to take care of that. She also doesn't have enough in her life that is noteworthy and can fill more than a page or two, so I suspect they'll be hiring a good fiction novelist too.

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Jeeze, you guys are sore winners, too?.........
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Postby jkisha » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:59 pm

Hell ya! That's why I know Obama will be a great president--he can handle victory graciously. Me--I want revenge. Not really, it's just that Palin makes such a great target. Don'tcha just love X-beauty queens?

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Postby ygmir » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:06 pm

I do find her attractive............

but, it's kind of like picking on Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakas (sp?)......... why bother?.........
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Postby jkisha » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:18 pm

Damn, Obama just keeps scoring points with me. Here's an excerpt of his position on the Israeli/Palistinian situation--a big departure in tone from the previous administration--actually acknowledging the plight of the Palistinians:

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is calling on Israel and Hamas to take steps aimed at ensuring that the cease-fire that's in place in Gaza will endure. Weighing in on the conflict for the first time following his inauguration, Obama said that going forward, Hamas must end rocket fire at Israel, and Israel must "complete the withdrawal of its forces from Gaza." Although those steps were taken this week, low-level violence has marred the fragile cease-fire.

Obama said his administration will support a "credible" system of ending smuggling into Gaza.

He said he's "deeply concerned" by the loss of life among both Israelis and Palestinians, and by the suffering taking place in Gaza. He said his heart goes out to civilians who are going without food, water or medical care.

He said Gaza's borders should be opened to allow aid to come in, with "appropriate monitoring."


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Postby jkisha » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:11 pm

I guess this is political, it the Lesbian and Gay Band Association of NYC marching and playing at Barack Obama's Inauguration Parade. Another first!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhx26_ZyABs[/youtube]

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Postby DVD Burner » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:09 am

Bush Street Renamed Obama Street in San Francisco


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San Francisco pranksters celebrated the end of an eight year George W. Bush reign with a mini-makeover of select street signs that suffered the unfortunate distinction of sharing a name with the former president. Bush Street became Obama Street overnight with a little help from computer print-outs (or a hook-up at Kinko’s) and double-sided tape. No word if the city will considering making the little upgrade permanent.
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Postby DVD Burner » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:04 am

For anyone interested in the modern history of Iran:

I knew the Shah. Part 1


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcBbG-y-Jho[/youtube]


Part 2
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klx3LyDEuRs[/youtube]

Incredibly interesting and shows the real reason why the U.S. and British are so concerned with Iran.
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Postby jkisha » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:20 pm

The Trickle Down Theory

OK, can someone please explain this to me please. As a small business person myself, I know that I will do whatever I need to do to make my business a succes (with the exception of all the time I spend here on eplaya) whether or not I get any help from the government or not.

So, I can't imagine any business, large or small, not thinking the same way. If they need employees, they will hire them. Thus creating jobs. So how does the government helping them actually make any difference? Extra incentive? Hell isn't making money extra incentive enough? And if it is not enough, isn't Trickle Down just a government subsidy to encourage non-profitable business to continue on their non-profitable path?

Compare this to Trickle Up--those at the bottom usually don't have the capacity or ability to start a company. They do have the capacity to buy those goods that companies make. Thereby driving the economy.

It's sort of the same as the faulty thinking (IMO) of Joe the Plumber worrying about having to pay more taxes when (if ever) he makes over $200,000.00.

I just don't understand the logic.

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Postby jkisha » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:51 pm

Well, slowly but surely, Obama is erasing the GWB legacy (well maybe not that slowly). Today he just signed an executive order reversing the restriction of federal funds to groups that provide information on abortion.

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Postby ygmir » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:28 pm

not sure where I stand on all this info, but, it is interesting, to me, at least:


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess
from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes
for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury,
with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal
policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the
world's great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence:

from bondage to spiritual faith,
from spiritual faith to great courage,
from courage to liberty,
from liberty to abundance,
from abundance to selfishness,
from selfishness to complacency,
from complacency to apathy,
from apathy to dependency,
from dependency back to bondage."

-- Alexander Fraser Tytler

-------------------

Just before the French Revolution, the people voted to have the
government supply them with 'cakes and circus' every day.

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Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul ,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the recent
Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats = 19 Republicans = 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats = 580,000 Republicans =
2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats = 127 million Republicans =
143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats = 13.2
Republicans = 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican
won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens
of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens
living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of
government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already
having reached the "governmental dependency" phase (see below).

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:01 pm

ygmir wrote:
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul ,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the recent
Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats = 19 Republicans = 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats = 580,000 Republicans =
2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats = 127 million Republicans =
143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats = 13.2
Republicans = 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican
won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens
of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens
living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of
government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already
having reached the "governmental dependency" phase (see below).

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years


Not too surprising: City versus country.

City people are generally more cosmopolitan and aren't as scared by someone with a strange name. More people of color, people of mixed race and immigrants in the city as well.
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Postby jkisha » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:01 pm

ygmir wrote:not sure where I stand on all this info, but, it is interesting, to me, at least:


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess
from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes
for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury,
with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal
policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the
world's great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence:

from bondage to spiritual faith,
from spiritual faith to great courage,
from courage to liberty,
from liberty to abundance,
from abundance to selfishness,
from selfishness to complacency,
from complacency to apathy,
from apathy to dependency,
from dependency back to bondage."

-- Alexander Fraser Tytler

-------------------

Just before the French Revolution, the people voted to have the
government supply them with 'cakes and circus' every day.

-------------------

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul ,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the recent
Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats = 19 Republicans = 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats = 580,000 Republicans =
2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats = 127 million Republicans =
143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats = 13.2
Republicans = 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican
won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens
of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens
living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of
government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already
having reached the "governmental dependency" phase (see below).

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
USA in fewer than five years


Those figures have been massaged pretty well. How could they be relevant or even accurate when Obama won a majority of the popular vote? Something doesn't compute. The only part that makes any sense to me is the murder rate considering that rate is always higher in big cities. The rest just doesn't square with common sense--at least with my common sense.

Actually, I just took a minute to do a google search on "Professor Joseph Olson"--turns out most of this data is garbage and this has been floating around in emails with almost the same numbers for the 2000 election. (One cite http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp

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Postby ygmir » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:51 pm

What numbers are there to massage so well?

I'd say they're probably close, and, not as a good or bad thing..........just interesting.

I can see, depending you your accounting, how Obama winning the popular vote could still come out as stated.........
Book massagers, or accountants, or statisticians, can make figures say most anything they want.........so, if "popular vote" meant counties, not individuals within, then, it'd be right......as an example.

Of more interest to me, was the first part , by "Alexander Fraser Tytler"......
It seems spot on, to me......

I put the second set of info in, more to elicit comments from many of the more learned folks here, to see their take on it.
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Postby dr.placebo » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:56 pm

Professor Joseph Olson, via ygmir, wrote: In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...

JK is right. This is a rehash of an old internet myth. Joseph Olson of Hamline (not Hemline!) University did not author the analysis, and it was about Bush vs. Gore, not Obama vs. McCain. And the murder rates were strictly bogus.

For more info, see http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp. My favorite part is where they quote from Dean Lacy of Ohio State University (http://psweb.sbs.ohio-state.edu/faculty/hweisberg/conference/Lacy-OSUConf.PDF):
In the 2000 U.S. presidential election, George W. Bush won most of the states that are net beneficiaries of federal spending programs, while Al Gore won most of the states that are net contributors to federal spending.

Just for the record, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008, Obama won 28 states (plus DC plus one Nebraska vote) for 365 electoral votes, and McCain won 22 states for 173 electoral votes. Obama won the vote percentage 52.9% to 45.7%. I don't really care about the county totals, although the Wiki article has some interesting maps.
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Postby dr.placebo » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:09 pm

It is indeed a pity that our system counts one vote per person, and not one vote per acre.

One more thing, the snopes article about this myth states that the Tytler quote may not be correctly attributed. For one person's view on the origin of the quotes, see: http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html. I'll quote the last lines from that piece:
And that is where the vice of misattribution lies. Perhaps the words speak the truth of democratic governments; or perhaps they do not. But either way, attributing the words to a scholar who never spoke them is to lend to them an authority and reliability that they do not deserve. Anonymous quotes, which these almost certainly are, should not be given fictitious attributions merely to lend credence to the messages they impart. To do so is to favor persuasiveness over accuracy, and to sacrifice truth for the sake of image.

Draw your own conclusions.
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Postby ygmir » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:17 pm

yes, that is interesting.

do you think the numbers, then are totally false, or embellished?

I can see the reps. winning more surface area.........that seems logical, to me.
I can also see that a lot of the dems constituency may well consist of people more closely reliant on the gov. for their job or program.

and, those demographics seem to also go along with rural vs urban.

The total vote thing, I think, can easily be wavered all over the place....it's not a very exact science, IMHO.......and, easily manipulated.

again, I posted for comment.

I find it interesting, depending on which side of the fence a person sits, how, they accept or reject a set of figures, and, why.......
It seems, so often, very subjective.

being more of an anarchist, (in the sense of very, very limited gov.........not burning stuff down), I am intrigued with how each side, winners and losers, support their arguments, defend their candidate, and, attack eachothers information...........

nutty humans............hahahaha
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Postby ygmir » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:19 pm

dr.placebo wrote:It is indeed a pity that our system counts one vote per person, and not one vote per acre.


oh doc, you're such a witty card............
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Postby ygmir » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:22 pm

dr.placebo wrote:It is indeed a pity that our system counts one vote per person, and not one vote per acre.

One more thing, the snopes article about this myth states that the Tytler quote may not be correctly attributed. For one person's view on the origin of the quotes, see: http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html. I'll quote the last lines from that piece:
And that is where the vice of misattribution lies. Perhaps the words speak the truth of democratic governments; or perhaps they do not. But either way, attributing the words to a scholar who never spoke them is to lend to them an authority and reliability that they do not deserve. Anonymous quotes, which these almost certainly are, should not be given fictitious attributions merely to lend credence to the messages they impart. To do so is to favor persuasiveness over accuracy, and to sacrifice truth for the sake of image.

Draw your own conclusions.


yeah, I agree that attributing to someone falsly is a mistake.
I'm glad I posted this, so, I could learn that.

I knew there'd be much smarter people here that could set the record straight............
I hope that's kept in mind if Al Franken is seated, and, quoted.........
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