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Postby gyre » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:43 am

What's your opinion of the extreme shock?
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Postby Toolmaker » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:31 pm

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PS Glasers use tiny shot pellets covered with a tip. They were designed for crowd control but work well in apts and situations where a miss or overpentration is an issue. Lethal in a soft target though.. a little different from the current school of powdered metal pressed slugs.


I have had those, but they tell me they no longer make them that way, that it is a pressed design now.
May be a balance thing?


BLUE: Glaser BLUE uses #12 shot compressed into a solid form. The Glaser BLUE produces immediate energy dispersal into the target, reducing the possibility of over penetration and creating abrupt stopping power. The numerous projectiles disperses outward generating an effective wound cavity.


SILVER: Glaser SILVER is made up of #6 shot. With the Silver load, you get much larger segments; deeper penetration and controlled energy release.


From http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/glaser/glaser.htm

I think you may be confusing Glasers shot method with companies like Sinter that use powder thats compressed. When you carve open a Glaser removing the plastic ball you'll see the "birdshot".

I gotta try and find a way to get fang faces to feed properly in my Wilson Combat.. I think its a feed ramp issue but they feed OK in the Kimbers.. go figure.
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Postby gyre » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:53 pm

compressed into a solid form

That's exactly what they told me.
The old ones I had looked very different.
Loose pellets in a clear blue shell vs compressed.
I haven't used the new ones yet.

Powerball will feed in any difficult guns.
Have you polished the feed ramp yet?

Have you tried the Enhanced Penetration?
They're supposed to feed better.
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Postby Toolmaker » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:46 pm

gyre wrote:
compressed into a solid form

That's exactly what they told me.
The old ones I had looked very different.
Loose pellets in a clear blue shell vs compressed.
I haven't used the new ones yet.

Powerball will feed in any difficult guns.
Have you polished the feed ramp yet?

Have you tried the Enhanced Penetration?
They're supposed to feed better.


Come to think of it my Glasers are a few years old. I'll have to swing by the ol gun shop n see if the new ones look any different.

Polishing the feed ramp is the first thing I do, I am a toolmaker/machinst after all. The ONLY firearms I own that I didn't have to fuck with are the Wilson Combats. But for over 2K each I better not have to mess with em. The Kimbers are kinda like Franken45s.. I have homemade firing pins, extractors, modified ports, and one of a kind double recoil springs that took me YEARS of trial and error. My main goal with those 2 guns was to get hydrashocks and corbons to feed whilst triple tapping.

In all honesty the ONLY reason I like those fang faces is cuz they LOOK mean. I'm a sucker for appearance.

A note about custom extractors.. DONT BOTHER trying to make yer own, Its too much of a pain in the ass! But lightening the slide and serrating the front is dandy as hell.
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Postby gyre » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:44 am

How do you get away with lightening the slide?
Doesn't it need the mass?


You would love the F/AK.
It may get exhibited just to horrify purists.
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Postby Toolmaker » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:24 am

gyre wrote:How do you get away with lightening the slide?
Doesn't it need the mass?


You would love the F/AK.
It may get exhibited just to horrify purists.


I took a lil from the sides, beveled the serrations to have larger grooves, ground all the sharp edges and corners to copycat Clarks "meltdown" look and to decrease the risk of snags. With stainless steel slides the mass is a lil heavy to begin with. The trick is to match up your recoil springs to the slide weight. I basically just took alot of what the IPSC guys do to their guns, just not nearly as lightened.

I didn't want to pay a grand for a gun lookin like a used bar of soap so I did it myself ;)

Here is a pic of the "meltdown" look.
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Here is something similar to the way I "opened" up the slide serrations.
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I still lived up north at the time and wanted to be able to operate quick with gloves.
Here is what slightly over the top slide lightening will look like courtesy of Briley.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:26 am

Isn't it passed you guys bedtime? :lol:
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Postby gyre » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:18 am

DVD Burner wrote:Isn't it past you guys bedtime? :lol:
Always.

I can see how you could get away with that with stainless.
My 9mm is 14 oz empty.
I'm not sure I could get away with lightening anything.
I might get something a little larger for winter.
Any suggestions?
The Glock 17 has been suggested.
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Postby cowboyangel » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:12 am

the hell with postin pictures and talk...I'm goin shootin right now at my favorite outdoor range..YeaH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby gyre » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:06 pm

The AK bullpup is working.
I thought it would just be a novelty, but now it's the only one I want.
It's slightly shorter than a standard one with folding stock.
The magazine removal is tricky with the 40 round.
It's wonderful with a 10-15 round.
Interestingly, balance doesn't change with the larger mag due to the arc.
The new frame is made of a drilled U tube and looks very different from a standard AK.
Only the gas tube and front sight is recognizable.
I want to continue the theme and make it completely unique in appearance.
Weight is 6 1/2 pounds in steel and wood.
The lightweight one is 6 pounds empty (standard AK).
I love it.
Easy one handed operation.
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Postby TomServo » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:23 pm

Ok..so not being a "firearm", are airsoft guns allowed at Burning Man? Plan on opening a shooting range in my camp, with bleeding targets.
anything worth doing..is worth overdoing

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Postby cowboyangel » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:34 pm

I don't think so. I saw the cops confiscate one 3 years ago at BM. Some of them look real.
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Postby goathead » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:42 am

Anyone know the ballistic coeffiecient of a golf ball?
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Postby ygmir » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:01 am

I bet you could google that one......it's the topic of much research......
It might even be in a handloaders guide, it should be the same as a round ball projectile, assuming it relates to aerodynamics only.
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Postby TomServo » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:47 pm

cowboyangel wrote:I don't think so. I saw the cops confiscate one 3 years ago at BM. Some of them look real.


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other than the orange muzzle, it looks pretty real....but still safer than most flame effects allowed at B.M.
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Postby Dosmoss » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:38 pm

I love em...
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Postby Mrs.Sunshine » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:40 pm

huh!
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Postby Dosmoss » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:42 pm

Ha Ha, huh! Perfect answer!
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Postby gyre » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:52 pm

ygmir wrote:I bet you could google that one......it's the topic of much research......
It might even be in a handloaders guide, it should be the same as a round ball projectile, assuming it relates to aerodynamics only.
The dimples reduce drag.
I don't know how much though.
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Postby gyre » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:55 pm

Mrs.Sunshine wrote:huh!

Huh?
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Postby cowboyangel » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:48 pm

twasn't Obama who took away the guns, twas hunger.
(throw in a couple a hand grenades too)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_ ... s_for_guns
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Postby goathead » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:12 am

cowboyangel wrote:twasn't Obama who took away the guns, twas hunger.
(throw in a couple a hand grenades too)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/ap_ ... s_for_guns


To bad they didn't give them market value.
Poor people get fucked again.
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Postby Sail Man » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:31 am

gyre wrote:Have you tried the Enhanced Penetration?


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Postby gyre » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:44 pm

Civilian Gun Self-Defense Blog

I was looking for a story from San Diego about a guy on crutches who stopped a home invader, but it seems so many robbers get beaten up by people on crutches, by the crutches, that i can't find it.
But I did run across this.
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Postby ygmir » Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:43 pm

interesting how two sides can see an event and actions related:

"are you willing to kill someone over a lousy car stereo, jewelry in your house, or your wallet?"

"Are you willing to die trying to take my car stereo, jewelry in my house, or wallet?"

same event.............
both valid questions............
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Postby gyre » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:55 am

I think it should be an assumed risk that someone may try to stop you.
The burden of proof should be on the criminal to prove they are not a threat, if it has to be an issue at all.

I think thieves are always prepared to harm others, except when they think they might lose out.
That is why they do what they do.

It is always about their being willing to harm others.

Why should a citizen have to take any risk at all?
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Postby **burn** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:29 am

I never get tired of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5uHt4AwYb4
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:10 pm

skip the glock 18 and get one of these.


http://www.genitron.com/unique18.html
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Postby ygmir » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:20 pm

we can't in CA..........peoples republic of............
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Postby jkisha » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:51 pm

ygmir wrote:we can't in CA..........peoples republic of............


Oh yes you can. I sort of view that like I do drugs. If you're relatively 'normal' at least in appearance, and discrete...

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