wow, John and Cindy were there too?
EB wrote:...that, or it's just a camping trip.
some seeing eye wrote:The Cali culture is that there is no limit to the money to be spent (or fossil fuel consumed) to appear cool. That is the overall organizing principal of today's Burningman.
oheric! wrote:EB wrote:...that, or it's just a camping trip.
That is the perfect answer to all of the "Must protect God" rhetoric that is flying around eplaya.
EB, you have just put the Zen back into my day. Thank-you.
A state as large and varied as California doesn't ahve a single culture. This could be a legacy from all those ads in the 20s, 30s, and 40s promoting "Sunny California." And it's probably more Southern California than San Francisco, and it's certainly NOT Jefferson.some seeing eye wrote:The Cali culture is that there is no limit to the money to be spent (or fossil fuel consumed) to appear cool.
Simon of the Playa wrote:
by the way, are you gonna finish those fries?
so, am I or am i not better prepared for the coming thin-ness, being already skinny?
lurker wrote:Simon, there's a thing here that I'm not sure you see.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but consider this--
You can only live the way you live because you live here. The momentum for a culture of plenty in America is so strong that the entirety of plenty that will eventually be there for everyone's taking is already manifesting itself, in a small way, in our quality of junk( I say this as someone who has 4 pieces of purchased furniture--everything else was gift, hand-me-down, or salvage--this include television, I realised, yesterday, that I've never bought a television).
You can live this way because you're not truly 'in need'--beyond the great junk, there's a cushion you can always jump to.
People who are truly needy don't have that--they don't have 'good junkpiles', they don't have a society that's overflowing with stuff behind them--when they're inventive, it's because it's be inventive or die.
You've always got the option of throwing your hands in the air and leaping back into the rat race.
But if everyone did what you do you wouldn't be sharing those good junkpiles--you'd be getting everything you needed from them to survive--because no more are forthcoming.
Your lifestyle can only work, right now, if there's a whole lot of people generating the society that produces good junkpiles.
I think we're headed towards a culture where people live like you, but I'm thinking we're doing it by pursuing a culture of plenty, an economy of plenty, a situation in which you won't need junkpiles because the means of production are so efficient and so automatic that you can have whatever you want or need--new--and you'll be able to toss what's no longer needed back into the pot to be completely recycled into someone elses' need or want.
And we'll get there--I've been watching things like 3-D copiers and self replicating machines--but it's gonna take work.
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