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Postby gyre » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:29 pm

Basic information.
Don't leave the house if you don't know this.
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Contrary to what many believe, you are under no obligation to report a crime, to testify to a crime or to incriminate yourself. Simply asking for an attorney and excercising your rights is always available.

Don't consent to a search - make them get a warrant.
LE's are allowed to lie to get the information they need.
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Postby dana » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:25 pm

gyre wrote:Be sure to check the variety of possible rules under which the atf in it's infinite whimsy might consider anything you do to be an illegal attempt to avoid disturbing the neighbors.


Accurizers and muzzle brakes are perfectly legal (and sold in a lot of catalogues.) However, if you're putting together some little gizmo you learned how to make from Palladin press.....
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Postby cowboyangel » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:13 pm

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Postby Toolmaker » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:34 pm

cheaper than dirt is good.. so is sportsmansguide

so over the weekend after seeing the sparks from the pic on the website ED posted I decided in my finite wisdom to load a 12 ga with some steel wool and powder from a firework.

it was quite dandy to say the least
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Postby cowboyangel » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:30 pm

hmmm
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Postby cowboyangel » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:34 pm

Ode to Michael Savage and Autism

http://blip.tv/file/944345/
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Postby goathead » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:40 pm

cowboyangel wrote:Not me , but I have with loads of thermite. Now if the Bmorg really had balls, they'd set up a special safety zone way off from everything else on the playa, and those of us who wanted to, could shoot tannerite at a Burning Man idol, loaded with tannerite targets.


I love Tannerite, teaching 55 gallon drums, bowling balls, and other thing how to FLY...

LOL I can just picture teaching the Man how to fly.

Anyone else do any re-loading or working with wildcat rounds?

I like rebarreling the Savage actions, so far I have a 300Whisper, 6mmBr, 22-250AI, "teaching small grain bullets how to go REALLY FAST.."

Shooting anywhere from 100 to 1000 yds.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:58 am

Barney. Barney the Purple Dinosaur.
Barney is your preferred target.
He needs to learn how to fly.
Please to visit PAGE TWO.
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Postby ygmir » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:18 am

I've not noticed his trouble with flight, But, I did notice the porcelain one I had couldn't land softly........
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Postby goathead » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:30 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:Barney. Barney the Purple Dinosaur.
Barney is your preferred target.
He needs to learn how to fly.


Hmmm????

LOL
Just nail him to a bowling ball.
That should work.

:D
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:39 am

In the final year of the Drive-by Shooting Range, he was the preferred target.
Don't know if you kids remember that.
http://odeo.com/episodes/22215540-Weird-America-The-Drive-by-Shooting-Gallery
Please to visit PAGE TWO.
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Postby goathead » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:59 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:In the final year of the Drive-by Shooting Range, he was the preferred target.
Don't know if you kids remember that.
http://odeo.com/episodes/22215540-Weird-America-The-Drive-by-Shooting-Gallery


And then there is the rest of the year...

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Postby cowboyangel » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:39 pm

right to left, straight on ok, actually quite good.
left to right high...el suckomundo......shit

more practice
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Postby mdmf007 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:48 pm

barneys the reason that dinosaurs are extinct, and rightly so.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:12 pm

breathe deep, the playa is the dust of your ancestors

A gift for the Playa
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Postby gyre » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:21 pm

Favorite prank is the guy who was shooting people from a car with paintguns and someone thought it was real shots and unloaded with a 45.
Ruled justifiable too.
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Postby gyre » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:59 am

Ever hear of fused alloy rounds?
The fiction on CSIM is that they are fused with heat and stay solid when they hit something cool, but disintegrate when they hit something warm like people.
Doesn't even sound like good fiction.

Some of the people at Corbon think the Glasers are actually more dangerous than the normal hollowpoints.
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Postby CapSmashy » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:15 am

gyre wrote:Some of the people at Corbon think the Glasers are actually more dangerous than the normal hollowpoints.


Under correct application, Glaser and Magsafe rounds are flat out devastating to soft tissue targets. Like people.
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Postby gyre » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:34 am

They think the Glaser is different from the others because it is pre-fragmented and pressed and is not supposed to completely disintegrate like some others.
There is one in particular that is glued and fairly expensive that totally disintegrates. Can't think of the brand.
I've thought of trying the silver Glasers.
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Postby CapSmashy » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:53 am

Magsafe is the other brand that are glued.

The advantage that Magsafe and Glaser have over traditional hollow point rounds is not in the fragmentation but in the energy transfer. They deliver 90 to 98% of the rounds potential energy into the soft tissue of the target and that energy alone creates massive, cavitating wound canals.

There is also the issue of overpenetration. A traditional 9mm hollow point round will pass through a person at close range. A Glaser or Magsafe round will not. Half inch sheetrock will not degrade the trajectory of a 9mm jhp round very much but can absorb as much as 75% of the energy from a Glaser or Magsafe round and will typically cause them to do their expandomatic trick. Both of these, the energy absorption and expansion/disintegration of the round make them ideal for interior use.
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:05 am

CapSmashy wrote:Magsafe is the other brand that are glued.

The advantage that Magsafe and Glaser have over traditional hollow point rounds is not in the fragmentation but in the energy transfer. They deliver 90 to 98% of the rounds potential energy into the soft tissue of the target and that energy alone creates massive, cavitating wound canals.

There is also the issue of overpenetration. A traditional 9mm hollow point round will pass through a person at close range. A Glaser or Magsafe round will not. Half inch sheetrock will not degrade the trajectory of a 9mm jhp round very much but can absorb as much as 75% of the energy from a Glaser or Magsafe round and will typically cause them to do their expandomatic trick. Both of these, the energy absorption and expansion/disintegration of the round make them ideal for interior use.
I'll stick with hollow points for now. Shooting through door and walls is my expertise
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Postby gyre » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:24 am

Extreme Shock is the company I was trying to remember.
They seem to make the Air Freedom and the Fang Face in a compressed material.
Has anyone used these?
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore ... 1&cart_id=
Glasers are not glued, only pressed.
They say the ES turn into powder.
The Glasers have a set fragment size, larger in the silver.
I'm told they get a lot of calls from coroners identifying the bullets.

I'm using Corbon DPX now, not supposed to fragment and they spread wider than any hollowpoint I've tested.
They are supposed to stay intact as a unit.
It's a Barnes X bullet.


FYI Tungsten appears to have a high rate of cancer growth when left in the body.
It looks like the military has abandoned it's use.


http://www.extremeshockusa.com/
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore ... 1&cart_id=
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Postby cowboyangel » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:40 am

man what those would do to a Bill O'Rielly book medley...
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Postby ygmir » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:02 am

uh, sounds like a book burner............
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Postby ygmir » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:08 am

gyre wrote:Extreme Shock is the company I was trying to remember.
They seem to make the Air Freedom and the Fang Face in a compressed material.
Has anyone used these?
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore ... 1&cart_id=
Glasers are not glued, only pressed.
They say the ES turn into powder.
The Glasers have a set fragment size, larger in the silver.
I'm told they get a lot of calls from coroners identifying the bullets.

I'm using Corbon DPX now, not supposed to fragment and they spread wider than any hollowpoint I've tested.
They are supposed to stay intact as a unit.
It's a Barnes X bullet.


FYI Tungsten appears to have a high rate of cancer growth when left in the body.
It looks like the military has abandoned it's use.


http://www.extremeshockusa.com/
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore ... 1&cart_id=


all good info, and good products.
thanks for putting them all in one place.

For me, still, nothin beats a 12 gauge pump, short barrel, #9 shot, for indoors.......can't miss, won't go to the neighbors house, looks and sounds impressive......

I load in firing order:

2 -#9's, (1 chambered, action part open, safety on)
1-#4
1-#2
1-00 buck
1-Bernake hollow point slug

This, considering the bad person is running away as I keep shooting......and, if I need to kill their car.
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Postby cowboyangel » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:19 am

ygmir wrote:uh, sounds like a book burner............


burner? how about shooter...
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Postby ygmir » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:49 am

good point, perhaps "destroyer"........?
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Postby Toolmaker » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:11 pm

something about frangible ammo here.. also a good source for other related matters

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ngible.htm

Sinter is known for being "green" ammo..

I use

Corbon DPX, Glaser Blue, Thunder Ranch or Extreme Shock Fang Faces in the 45s depending on application

Hornady 168gr Match, Winchester 168gr Supreme Match, or Federal 168gr Gold Medal Match in the AR-10s

The 12 gauge likes all sorts of stuff including but not limited to Dragons Breath, Flecheete, Pit Bull, OC/Pepper, Rubber Rockets, Flash Bangs, Rhodesian Jungle and lots of homemade stuff. Not to mention the 3" Federal slugs.. thats what usually stays loaded in there after the round in the chamber with dimes.

Currently working on a mixture of stainless steel fine wool, magnesium, titanium shavings, and more to shoot huge showers of sparks and fire. Right now I'm using a single shot so I can fit the homemade 6 inch shells in the barrel.


PS Glasers use tiny shot pellets covered with a tip. They were designed for crowd control but work well in apts and situations where a miss or overpentration is an issue. Lethal in a soft target though.. a little different from the current school of powdered metal pressed slugs.
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Postby ygmir » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:23 pm

try magnesium shavings/powder and sulfur.........very, very bright......needs an ignition source, but, wow, when it goes off.........poof......stand back......
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Postby gyre » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:41 am

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PS Glasers use tiny shot pellets covered with a tip. They were designed for crowd control but work well in apts and situations where a miss or overpentration is an issue. Lethal in a soft target though.. a little different from the current school of powdered metal pressed slugs.


I have had those, but they tell me they no longer make them that way, that it is a pressed design now.
May be a balance thing?
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