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Postby Zoomorphic » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:31 pm

Okay so I think the whole idea of Burning Man is pretty cool. Work together, make art, love life etc etc. I also like the idea of self reliance and the lack of port-o-potties, over priced food stands etc etc.

I was just curious about where all of the money from tickets is going? You can argue it is a small price to pay and perhaps it is but it is still a lot of money and I would like to know where my hard earned cash would be going. Is it sitting in some fat cats pocket or is it being put to good use?

I have never gone before and was curious about this. This is no attack but simply an honest question and a fair one as well.
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Postby sputnik » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:35 pm

Port-o-potties is one place, watering the roads to keep the dust down, fees to federal, state and local governments is a huge chunk, infrastructure, salaries to the people who run the organization. Lots more, I'm sure. There's a report somewhere on the main site.
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Postby AntiM » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:43 pm

I have seen the financial chart in years past, but it is not ready for the 2007 event yet according to the main site. There's far more expenses than what we see on the playa, and much I had never considered. I found it very interesting. I suppose you could go back a year or two and check it out.

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Postby Zoomorphic » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:45 pm

sputnik wrote:Port-o-potties is one place, watering the roads to keep the dust down, fees to federal, state and local governments is a huge chunk, infrastructure, salaries to the people who run the organization. Lots more, I'm sure. There's a report somewhere on the main site.

Oh so they do have port-o-potties. I say dig a hole and be done with it!! I figured the state took a fat chunk of the pie but it still seemed kind of steep to me. I will try and find the said report and try to find peace with it somehow :lol:




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Postby sputnik » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:49 pm

Zoomorphic, you're starting to sound like a troll.

Don't piss or shit on the playa. It's gross.

Don't sneak in, that sucks.
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Postby Zoomorphic » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:03 pm

Honestly if I could sneak in without paying I would so if that fact makes me a shitty individual....well we all cant be saints now can we? Of course I would probably be the first to carry you to a medic if you passed out from heat exhaustion. I have a good heart but I am a cheap bastard, plus I was just curious. Also I was mostly joking when I asked about sneaking in so dont burn me on a stake just yet friend.
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Postby ragabashpup » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:25 pm

I want to know why so many people have a desire to sneak in. If everyone snuck in the whole thing would die. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Postby Zoomorphic » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:29 pm

I were to joking about me doing such what a thing!!! Seriously though, I totally would.

That 2006 financial summary says they were about to lose their offices in San Fran, anyone know if they are on stable ground now?
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Postby gyre » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:39 pm

If whoever stops you chooses, the penalty for sneaking in can be steep.
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Re: Wheres the money go?

Postby hsdavis » Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:11 pm

Zoomorphic wrote:Okay so I think the whole idea of Burning Man is pretty cool. Work together, make art, love life etc etc. I also like the idea of self reliance and the lack of port-o-potties, over priced food stands etc etc.

I was just curious about where all of the money from tickets is going? You can argue it is a small price to pay and perhaps it is but it is still a lot of money and I would like to know where my hard earned cash would be going. Is it sitting in some fat cats pocket or is it being put to good use?

I have never gone before and was curious about this. This is no attack but simply an honest question and a fair one as well.


Hey Zoomorphic, when you go the first time, just be sure to bring lots of cash to pay those plentiful but overpriced vendors selling food, bottled water and Burning Man souvenirs. My favorite things are feathered boa's and bags of peanuts. With basically no infrastructure, I can see why you would imagine the price of the ticket is rather high. How much could it cost to maintain the 10 porta-potties at the event? Not that much!
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Re: Wheres the money go?

Postby ibdave » Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:18 pm

hsdavis wrote:
Zoomorphic wrote:Okay so I think the whole idea of Burning Man is pretty cool. Work together, make art, love life etc etc. I also like the idea of self reliance and the lack of port-o-potties, over priced food stands etc etc.

I was just curious about where all of the money from tickets is going? You can argue it is a small price to pay and perhaps it is but it is still a lot of money and I would like to know where my hard earned cash would be going. Is it sitting in some fat cats pocket or is it being put to good use?

I have never gone before and was curious about this. This is no attack but simply an honest question and a fair one as well.


Hey Zoomorphic, when you go the first time, just be sure to bring lots of cash to pay those plentiful but overpriced vendors selling food, bottled water and Burning Man souvenirs. My favorite things are feathered boa's and bags of peanuts. With basically no infrastructure, I can see why you would imagine the price of the ticket is rather high. How much could it cost to maintain the 10 porta-potties at the event? Not that much!


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Postby TomServo » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:17 am

Last I heard, Perimeter invested in .50 cals. I wouldn't try sneaking in this year.. Wouldn't worry about bringing food or water..If you can find them, their are some stands that sell pretty reasonably! Also!! Our sponsors, backed out at the last minute!! thats why the high ticket price!
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Postby TomServo » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:42 am

"WE" pay for everything!...and royalties.. which include BLM fees for use of the land, over $500,000 a few years ago..porta potties...OT for the washoe and pershing county sheriffs...expenses on the ranch...materials NOT donated..legal fees...salaries for a handful of yearlong BM staff..equiptment maintenance and cost...the tab at my bar..fuel...transport...legal fees again...you name it! No fat cats that Im aware of...though they may think they are..
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Postby thirt33n » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:19 am

zoomorphic magmorphicus idioticus stoopidicus trollicus fukofikus

do us all a favor and zoomorph yourself away. talk yourself out of coming to brc. please
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Postby hsdavis » Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:30 am

thirt33n wrote:zoomorphic magmorphicus idioticus stoopidicus trollicus fukofikus

do us all a favor and zoomorph yourself away. talk yourself out of coming to brc. please


Yes, Zoomorphic, what I think thirt33n is trying to say is read the first timers guide several times and prepare for your week in Black Rock City. It is nothing like you're imagining and you will leave a different (hopefully better) person than when you arrived. There is still time to get your ticket and attend this year. Hopefully we can all welcome you on the playa! :D
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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:27 am

Insurance.
Lawyers.
Fireworks.
Medical contract.
Fire fighting contract.
The servers we are using right this second on eplaya.

If you're there for the entire week it's less than $35 a day. A bargain when compared to many other vacations.
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Postby thirt33n » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:37 am

hsdavis wrote:
thirt33n wrote:zoomorphic magmorphicus idioticus stoopidicus trollicus fukofikus

do us all a favor and zoomorph yourself away. talk yourself out of coming to brc. please


Yes, Zoomorphic, what I think thirt33n is trying to say is read the first timers guide several times and prepare for your week in Black Rock City. It is nothing like you're imagining and you will leave a different (hopefully better) person than when you arrived. There is still time to get your ticket and attend this year. Hopefully we can all welcome you on the playa! :D


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Postby mojo » Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:54 am

Zoomorphic - if you manage to sneak in, please stop by the Eplaya meet 'n greet and tell us all about it. We will definately have a surprize for you.
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:35 pm

Zoomorphic wrote:Oh so they do have port-o-potties. I say dig a hole and be done with it!!


Is it difficult to sneak into Burning Man?


Sounds suspiciously trollish to me... and well done!
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Re: Wheres the money go?

Postby Zoomorphic » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:13 am

hsdavis wrote:
Zoomorphic wrote:Okay so I think the whole idea of Burning Man is pretty cool. Work together, make art, love life etc etc. I also like the idea of self reliance and the lack of port-o-potties, over priced food stands etc etc.

I was just curious about where all of the money from tickets is going? You can argue it is a small price to pay and perhaps it is but it is still a lot of money and I would like to know where my hard earned cash would be going. Is it sitting in some fat cats pocket or is it being put to good use?

I have never gone before and was curious about this. This is no attack but simply an honest question and a fair one as well.


Hey Zoomorphic, when you go the first time, just be sure to bring lots of cash to pay those plentiful but overpriced vendors selling food, bottled water and Burning Man souvenirs. My favorite things are feathered boa's and bags of peanuts. With basically no infrastructure, I can see why you would imagine the price of the ticket is rather high. How much could it cost to maintain the 10 porta-potties at the event? Not that much!

Exactly. I figured someone might be being rather greedy but I suppose I am satisfied with the information I have gathered here. Also I am a real person and I am not too sure what a troll is, must be nerdy forum slang or something :roll:

Honestly I was joking about sneaking in and would not travel that far just to risk getting thrown in the slammer.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:44 am

An Internet Troll is someone who deliberately posts inflamatory topics on a bill board or social networking site in order to enjoy the fireworks or make people look foolish or press some sort of agenda. "Troll" also has a verbform. This venue is rather prone to trolls, so we tend to jump hard on ambiguous cases.
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Postby Zoomorphic » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:19 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:An Internet Troll is someone who deliberately posts inflamatory topics on a bill board or social networking site in order to enjoy the fireworks or make people look foolish or press some sort of agenda. "Troll" also has a verbform. This venue is rather prone to trolls, so we tend to jump hard on ambiguous cases.

Very air tight answer, thank you. I am not a troll although I did hesitate to post this thread, my wonder got the best of me.
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Postby ZaphodBurner » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:43 pm

Zoomorphic wrote:Oh so they do have port-o-potties. I say dig a hole and be done with it!!



That's great until you step into some tweaker's shit because he decided not to dig that hole. IE, "Saturday night at Burning Man."

Above and beyond that, imagine tens out thousands of people digging holes and shitting in them in the hot sun every day for a week. Of course, the very act of digging a hole in the playa is not what most people would consider simple.

That's chain-gang work, which is why you don't want to get caught sneaking in.

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Re: Cash Green Moola

Postby Zoomorphic » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:49 pm

[quote="ZaphodBurner"][quote="Zoomorphic"]
Oh so they do have port-o-potties. I say dig a hole and be done with it!! [/quote]


That's great until you step into some tweaker's shit because he decided not to dig that hole. IE, "Saturday night at Burning Man."

Above and beyond that, imagine tens out thousands of people digging holes and shitting in them in the hot sun every day for a week. Of course, the very act of digging a hole in the playa is not what most people would consider simple.

That's chain-gang work, which is why you don't want to get caught sneaking in.

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Postby Timezone LaFontaine » Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:44 am

Not so easy to dig holes in the hard playa surface. If I happen to see you frantically struggling with a shovel and an urgent look in your eye I'll try and help you to the porta potties nearby.

Sneaking in ain't possible... the perimeter folk have awesome gadgetry, nightvision, fast-moving vehicles, wireless radios, newfangled contraptions of all sorts... believe me, once you've been there, you will never regret having spent the money. I don't make much money at all and I've never been out there cursing myself for spending a few hundred bucks.
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Postby TomServo » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:00 am

Timezone LaFontaine wrote:Not so easy to dig holes in the hard playa surface. If I happen to see you frantically struggling with a shovel and an urgent look in your eye I'll try and help you to the porta potties nearby.

Sneaking in ain't possible... the perimeter folk have awesome gadgetry, nightvision, fast-moving vehicles, wireless radios, newfangled contraptions of all sorts... believe me, once you've been there, you will never regret having spent the money. I don't make much money at all and I've never been out there cursing myself for spending a few hundred bucks.


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Postby mk-ultra » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:59 pm

Ahhh... "overpriced food."

Clearly, you're a return burner who is disgusted by the rampant commercialism out on the playa.

I'm deeply offended by the prices charged at all the food stalls too! $7 for a burner-dog?! That's totally unacceptable.

I'm also tired of spending $3 per gallon for water delivery and $2 per bag of MOOP disposal.

I think we should form a protest group and demand cheaper and better infrastructure services from these asshole/profiteering BM organizers.

WTF! We blow nearly $250 and have to SUFFER the indignity of dust, no A/C, and have to haul our own poop out?!

You should file a civil suit in Nevada to redress your grievances. I'll be right behind you.. honest.

P.S. - Do us all a favor and find an excuse for not attending this year, k?
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Last I heard, Perimeter invested in .50 cals. I wouldn't try sneaking in this year.. Wouldn't worry about bringing food or water..If you can find them, their are some stands that sell pretty reasonably! Also!! Our sponsors, backed out at the last minute!! thats why the high ticket price!
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I have to confirm what TomServo stated that Perimeter did indeed aquire some .50 cals, in early 2007.
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I recal an incident at BM 07 on the Thursday before the man burnt, Tommy Tweaker was sneaking onto the playa from the north, The Perimeter dude (Steely Seal ) got off a 900 meter shot and hit poor old Tommy in the hand, as he was keeping the sun out of his eyes. Steely was aiming for his forehead but over compensated for the curvature of the Earth and shot a little high.

Unfortunately for Tommy the velocity and impact of a half inch piece of lead travelling at boo koo FPS went through his hand at such a high speed that the force actually seperated his arm from his torso at the armpit.

Totally fucking awsome to watch, It impressed the shit out of me. The last I seen tommy he was walking in Circles looking for his arm just as the dust storm started and we lost sight of him.

Moral to the story, If your going to sneak in. do what everyone elso does, Make up a harness and strap yourself to the underside of the Hippie School Bus.

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Postby EspressoDude » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:17 pm

TomServo wrote:Last I heard, Perimeter invested in .50 cals. I wouldn't try sneaking in this year.. Wouldn't worry about bringing food or water..If you can find them, their are some stands that sell pretty reasonably! Also!! Our sponsors, backed out at the last minute!! thats why the high ticket price!


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